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STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:28 pm

What a devastating day for Port Talbot steel workers,well done call me Dave and his cronies for sitting back and doing nothing to help,and of course the Chinese flooding cheap steel all over the world. BASTARDS. Will never buy a chinese meal again! Rant over!

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:34 pm

avondaleblue wrote:What a devastating day for Port Talbot steel workers,well done call me Dave and his cronies for sitting back and doing nothing to help,and of course the Chinese flooding cheap steel all over the world. BASTARDS. Will never buy a chinese meal again! Rant over!

You'll never buy in Chinese again?'! If you're like me then good luck with that. ;)

It's terrible news though, it could kill an whole community financially. No government help either! Bastards. :twisted:

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:42 pm

It is my intention to keep that pledge

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:47 pm

Close all the restaurants and take aways stick em all on a big tanker ship and set the navigation switch to CHINA :ayatollah: :wave: :wave: :wave:

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:00 pm

Lets vote to leave the EU. They haven't helped with all the regulations they have enforced on the steel industry.

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:01 pm

Did Ebbw vale ever recover when they closed down.

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:04 pm

Huge blow to he community...commiserations to all who will lose their jobs

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:16 pm

The Government couldn't do anything, they are almost powerless. What exactly do you think Cameron could have done? Hos hands were tied due to the EU, if you want someone to blame it's Brussells, not China or Cameron. Also remember, the Labour government taxed the steel industry to the brink in order to create more "green jobs".

Stop listening to Corbyn, he would have done f**k all as well.

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:18 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:The Government couldn't do anything, they are almost powerless. What exactly do you think Cameron could have done? Hos hands were tied due to the EU, if you want someone to blame it's Brussells, not China or Cameron. Also remember, the Labour government taxed the steel industry to the brink in order to create more "green jobs".

Stop listening to Corbyn, he would have done f**k all as well.


Actually there's fund that you can apply for for these sort of situations that our government hasn't even looked at.

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:26 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:The Government couldn't do anything, they are almost powerless. What exactly do you think Cameron could have done? Hos hands were tied due to the EU, if you want someone to blame it's Brussells, not China or Cameron. Also remember, the Labour government taxed the steel industry to the brink in order to create more "green jobs".

Stop listening to Corbyn, he would have done f**k all as well.




according to welsh minister gvmT doing things to help! but the've known problem for over a year but still says doing something not sure what though? other than to help train the workers for other non excistant jobs and set up job shops usual crap!!! ect ect!

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:08 pm

Aramore wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:The Government couldn't do anything, they are almost powerless. What exactly do you think Cameron could have done? Hos hands were tied due to the EU, if you want someone to blame it's Brussells, not China or Cameron. Also remember, the Labour government taxed the steel industry to the brink in order to create more "green jobs".

Stop listening to Corbyn, he would have done f**k all as well.


Actually there's fund that you can apply for for these sort of situations that our government hasn't even looked at.


There's no point, the industry is in terminal decline in Europe.

What we need to do now is find alternative use for the old sites, force Tata to sell to the government and quickly find another industry to move in. Steel is dead. The 750 or so poor sods who have lost their job in Port Talbot will need to be trained in the new industry.

That's the only thing we can do.

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:33 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
Aramore wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:The Government couldn't do anything, they are almost powerless. What exactly do you think Cameron could have done? Hos hands were tied due to the EU, if you want someone to blame it's Brussells, not China or Cameron. Also remember, the Labour government taxed the steel industry to the brink in order to create more "green jobs".

Stop listening to Corbyn, he would have done f**k all as well.


Actually there's fund that you can apply for for these sort of situations that our government hasn't even looked at.


There's no point, the industry is in terminal decline in Europe.

What we need to do now is find alternative use for the old sites, force Tata to sell to the government and quickly find another industry to move in. Steel is dead. The 750 or so poor sods who have lost their job in Port Talbot will need to be trained in the new industry.

That's the only thing we can do.


It's why i believe the government should be investing heavily into science and engineering. We we world re-known for our science and engineering, it helped create the country we have today. So why cant we do it again and better our selves?

I'm all for more money going into science, engineering and defence.

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:01 pm

avondaleblue wrote:What a devastating day for Port Talbot steel workers,well done call me Dave and his cronies for sitting back and doing nothing to help,and of course the Chinese flooding cheap steel all over the world. BASTARDS. Will never buy a chinese meal again! Rant over!

Italy send a lot of steel over too,as do Poland....etc...... :ayatollah:

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:01 pm

avondaleblue wrote:What a devastating day for Port Talbot steel workers,well done call me Dave and his cronies for sitting back and doing nothing to help,and of course the Chinese flooding cheap steel all over the world. BASTARDS. Will never buy a chinese meal again! Rant over!

Italy send a lot of steel over too,as do Poland....etc...... :ayatollah:

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:04 am

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
Aramore wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:The Government couldn't do anything, they are almost powerless. What exactly do you think Cameron could have done? Hos hands were tied due to the EU, if you want someone to blame it's Brussells, not China or Cameron. Also remember, the Labour government taxed the steel industry to the brink in order to create more "green jobs".

Stop listening to Corbyn, he would have done f**k all as well.


Actually there's fund that you can apply for for these sort of situations that our government hasn't even looked at.


There's no point, the industry is in terminal decline in Europe.

What we need to do now is find alternative use for the old sites, force Tata to sell to the government and quickly find another industry to move in. Steel is dead. The 750 or so poor sods who have lost their job in Port Talbot will need to be trained in the new industry.

That's the only thing we can do.

The works is not shut yet and I don't know what industry you think can take over the site. There's not a lot of industries left to take the numbers who would be affected if the plant does eventually close. As one of the many steelworkers who will have an uncertain couple of weeks I'm still hoping something can be sorted. In reality the odds are stacked against us.

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:36 am

It's sad really but its on the same day Cameron had pledged to give 20million to help Muslim women learn English and a list of other things, that's how this country looks after its own, I expect nothing else from these toffie nose parasites.

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:05 am

cendl blue wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
Aramore wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:The Government couldn't do anything, they are almost powerless. What exactly do you think Cameron could have done? Hos hands were tied due to the EU, if you want someone to blame it's Brussells, not China or Cameron. Also remember, the Labour government taxed the steel industry to the brink in order to create more "green jobs".

Stop listening to Corbyn, he would have done f**k all as well.


Actually there's fund that you can apply for for these sort of situations that our government hasn't even looked at.


There's no point, the industry is in terminal decline in Europe.

What we need to do now is find alternative use for the old sites, force Tata to sell to the government and quickly find another industry to move in. Steel is dead. The 750 or so poor sods who have lost their job in Port Talbot will need to be trained in the new industry.

That's the only thing we can do.

The works is not shut yet and I don't know what industry you think can take over the site. There's not a lot of industries left to take the numbers who would be affected if the plant does eventually close. As one of the many steelworkers who will have an uncertain couple of weeks I'm still hoping something can be sorted. In reality the odds are stacked against us.


Is there not a market within the UK you can fulfill?

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:28 am

Bakedalasker wrote:
cendl blue wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
Aramore wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:The Government couldn't do anything, they are almost powerless. What exactly do you think Cameron could have done? Hos hands were tied due to the EU, if you want someone to blame it's Brussells, not China or Cameron. Also remember, the Labour government taxed the steel industry to the brink in order to create more "green jobs".

Stop listening to Corbyn, he would have done f**k all as well.


Actually there's fund that you can apply for for these sort of situations that our government hasn't even looked at.


There's no point, the industry is in terminal decline in Europe.

What we need to do now is find alternative use for the old sites, force Tata to sell to the government and quickly find another industry to move in. Steel is dead. The 750 or so poor sods who have lost their job in Port Talbot will need to be trained in the new industry.

That's the only thing we can do.

The works is not shut yet and I don't know what industry you think can take over the site. There's not a lot of industries left to take the numbers who would be affected if the plant does eventually close. As one of the many steelworkers who will have an uncertain couple of weeks I'm still hoping something can be sorted. In reality the odds are stacked against us.


Is there not a market within the UK you can fulfill?

We've been told in the past yes but again it's about price. We can't make it as cheap as a lot of European competitors let alone state funded China. Our carbon credits are high and energy costs are higher as well. I heard enough M.Ps yesterday saying about projects that could require steel and that British should by British but can totally understand a business buying the cheapest product against some sort of patriotic sentiment

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:55 am

avondaleblue wrote:What a devastating day for Port Talbot steel workers,well done call me Dave and his cronies for sitting back and doing nothing to help,and of course the Chinese flooding cheap steel all over the world. BASTARDS. Will never buy a chinese meal again! Rant over!


In fairness there is very little they could have done. It's a free market and China produces cheaper steel, while the minimum wage is a good idea this is the end result - it was always going to happen eventually.

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:29 am

Bluebird1977 wrote:It's sad really but its on the same day Cameron had pledged to give 20million to help Muslim women learn English and a list of other things, that's how this country looks after its own, I expect nothing else from these toffie nose parasites.


What could Cameron do?
If you want to blame a government, then blame the WAG, as they have devolved responsibility for the industry in Wales.
All that Carwyn Jones has done is try to divert blame to the Tories in London. While doing nothing of practical use. Yet again.
What about the EU and its rules? Why is China allowed to export cheap steel over here (dumping as they call it)?
Tata is an Indian company, so outside the control of government in London.

Next time you buy something with steel in it, check first it did not have Chineses steel in it. Otherwise you could start to look hypocritical as well as helping the unfortunate steel workers lose their jobs.

If you want cheap then you go to the cheapest place to purchase them. people complain about job losses, then demand cheaper products.

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:44 am

This never looked good from the moment British Steel was privatised... Ta Ta Steel

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:13 am

Truly tragic for Port Talbot as a town. The economy is built around the wealth that steel can bring. Now those kicked out may end up on benefits.

A sad day for Wales.

Re: STEEL JOB LOSSES

Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:18 am

abergblue wrote:
Bluebird1977 wrote:It's sad really but its on the same day Cameron had pledged to give 20million to help Muslim women learn English and a list of other things, that's how this country looks after its own, I expect nothing else from these toffie nose parasites.


What could Cameron do?
If you want to blame a government, then blame the WAG, as they have devolved responsibility for the industry in Wales.
All that Carwyn Jones has done is try to divert blame to the Tories in London. While doing nothing of practical use. Yet again.
What about the EU and its rules? Why is China allowed to export cheap steel over here (dumping as they call it)?
Tata is an Indian company, so outside the control of government in London.

Next time you buy something with steel in it, check first it did not have Chineses steel in it. Otherwise you could start to look hypocritical as well as helping the unfortunate steel workers lose their jobs.

If you want cheap then you go to the cheapest place to purchase them. people complain about job losses, then demand cheaper products.


Blame is Westminster nowhere else.
Chinese steel is 80% subsidised. The Govt could apply to the eu to stop the dumping of cheap steel in the UK but they dont want to damage relations with the Chinese.