Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:53 pm
Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:13 am
Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:46 am
Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:30 am
angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!
Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:05 am
Sneggyblubird wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!
Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.
Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:18 am
abergblue wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!
Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.
Sorry, but that is naive. Dangerously naive. Chamberlain did well negotiating with Hitler?? Do you think our negotiating skills kept Stalin (and laye Russian leaders)out of Western Europe ??
iran would not even talk if we did not have Nuclear weapons, more powerful and accurate than theirs. Do you really believe they will stop producing them anyway?
Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:18 am
Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:20 am
AfanBluebird wrote:Our Nuclear weapons are as useless as the flood defences David Cameron wants to supply. If Russia or China wanted to attack the UK in any shape or form, Trident wouldn't stop them. It's a waste of money when you consider how much the UK needs that money to supply the NHS, employ more troops.he wants to put warheads onto the subs, but make them nuclear free.
On ISIS, his "political solution" isn't to negotiate with IS, but to create a blockade against any nation or group that deals arms or anything else with them, ie. Saudi & Turkey. The UN have taken that on board and started that themselves, so how is that a bad idea?
He also wants to protect Workers rights by making sure that the Human Right bill is safeguarded, something the Conservatives and UKIP are wanting to get rid of.
We're not a big player in the world any longer, so why are we still acting like it. Our steel industry is dying a quick death, with 1000 jobs lost TODAY in Port Talbot, where's our government? Wait; they just signed a £3.2billion steel deal with Sweden. And a £4.8billion deal with China.
Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:30 am
Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:35 am
AfanBluebird wrote:"If we go to war with someone who has nuclear weapons"...
Who are we going to war with? Like I've said, Russia & China both have a massive amount of Nuclear Arms, if they wanted to attack us, they would. No questions asked. We can't protect ourselves with the 42 war heads we have (going down to 31 if trident happens) against Russia's 200+ and China's 100+. Do I feel safer with them? Nope. Would I feel safe without them? Nope. So why the hell have them.
(Not a labour voter but know a media brainwashing frenzy when I see it)
Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:36 pm
Sneggyblubird wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!
Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.
Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:13 pm
wez1927 wrote:AfanBluebird wrote:Our Nuclear weapons are as useless as the flood defences David Cameron wants to supply. If Russia or China wanted to attack the UK in any shape or form, Trident wouldn't stop them. It's a waste of money when you consider how much the UK needs that money to supply the NHS, employ more troops.he wants to put warheads onto the subs, but make them nuclear free.
On ISIS, his "political solution" isn't to negotiate with IS, but to create a blockade against any nation or group that deals arms or anything else with them, ie. Saudi & Turkey. The UN have taken that on board and started that themselves, so how is that a bad idea?
He also wants to protect Workers rights by making sure that the Human Right bill is safeguarded, something the Conservatives and UKIP are wanting to get rid of.
We're not a big player in the world any longer, so why are we still acting like it. Our steel industry is dying a quick death, with 1000 jobs lost TODAY in Port Talbot, where's our government? Wait; they just signed a £3.2billion steel deal with Sweden. And a £4.8billion deal with China.
So we scrap our nuclear weapons and go to war with someone who has them who do you think will win ????? Wake up the world isn't a peace loving utopia and never will be ,we need defence remember we are up grading our weapons not keeping the status quo
Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:18 pm
smakerzthebluebird wrote:wez1927 wrote:AfanBluebird wrote:Our Nuclear weapons are as useless as the flood defences David Cameron wants to supply. If Russia or China wanted to attack the UK in any shape or form, Trident wouldn't stop them. It's a waste of money when you consider how much the UK needs that money to supply the NHS, employ more troops.he wants to put warheads onto the subs, but make them nuclear free.
On ISIS, his "political solution" isn't to negotiate with IS, but to create a blockade against any nation or group that deals arms or anything else with them, ie. Saudi & Turkey. The UN have taken that on board and started that themselves, so how is that a bad idea?
He also wants to protect Workers rights by making sure that the Human Right bill is safeguarded, something the Conservatives and UKIP are wanting to get rid of.
We're not a big player in the world any longer, so why are we still acting like it. Our steel industry is dying a quick death, with 1000 jobs lost TODAY in Port Talbot, where's our government? Wait; they just signed a £3.2billion steel deal with Sweden. And a £4.8billion deal with China.
So we scrap our nuclear weapons and go to war with someone who has them who do you think will win ????? Wake up the world isn't a peace loving utopia and never will be ,we need defence remember we are up grading our weapons not keeping the status quo
Naive post Wez if we got hit with a nuke we'd all be dead what use would having our own nukes make then?
I agree with scrapping them as what is their purpose? A deterrent? Did that stop 9/11? Did America then launch one? NO! Why not? Cos it would be the end of the world they are not a deterrent if they were terrorists wouldn't be attacking us load of rubbish IMO
If one goes off they all go off end of the world
Work with the UN to rid the world of them completely and yes we then get rid of them
Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:31 pm
Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:49 pm
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:I was previously a labour supporter but am no longer. Daesh should be obliterated, our nukes should be used as a last resort and f*cking Argentina. I think corbyn may be alright in peacetime but come on. But cmon, the world is hardly at peace at the moment. We need a stronger military.
Corbyn is too weak.
Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:15 pm
Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:28 pm
Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:39 pm
Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:45 pm
shinyBlueGlue wrote:The man is thick as shit.
We all want to live peacefully but that is not reality.
Nuclear weapons are not there to deter terrorists but to deter Iran, China, North Korea, Russia.....
We have around 200 nuclear warheads and Russia has around 8000 but not ready to go at a moments notice. And yes the west having nuclear detterant does stop Russia invading the rest of Ukraine and stops North Korea developing their nuclear weapons and destroying South Korea
Getting rid of it detterant would be the biggest mistake we ever made as a country
Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:17 pm
wez1927 wrote:shinyBlueGlue wrote:The man is thick as shit.
We all want to live peacefully but that is not reality.
Nuclear weapons are not there to deter terrorists but to deter Iran, China, North Korea, Russia.....
We have around 200 nuclear warheads and Russia has around 8000 but not ready to go at a moments notice. And yes the west having nuclear detterant does stop Russia invading the rest of Ukraine and stops North Korea developing their nuclear weapons and destroying South Korea
Getting rid of it detterant would be the biggest mistake we ever made as a country
Agree
Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:46 pm
Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:37 am
angelis1949 wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!
Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.
Trident is not there to combat terrorism, let me get my head around this, you would be willing to sit round a table and talk to people who behead people with a knife and video it,who burn people alive, who crucify Christians, and oh yes,rape children
Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:54 am
abergblue wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!
Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.
Sorry, but that is naive. Dangerously naive. Chamberlain did well negotiating with Hitler?? Do you think our negotiating skills kept Stalin (and laye Russian leaders)out of Western Europe ??
iran would not even talk if we did not have Nuclear weapons, more powerful and accurate than theirs. Do you really believe they will stop producing them anyway?
Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:57 am
the ira were nothing like Isis are ,I don't think you get it they are not going to sit around a table as they want Islam and that's itSneggyblubird wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!
Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.
Trident is not there to combat terrorism, let me get my head around this, you would be willing to sit round a table and talk to people who behead people with a knife and video it,who burn people alive, who crucify Christians, and oh yes,rape children
You'd better get your head around it,its the way of the world.Rather than your silly glib example ponder this.How did we bring an end to the Irish terrorists?By talking and negotiation.History is full of disputes that were ultimately solved by dialog,otherwise we'd still be fighting half the worlds countries.
Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:22 pm
his boll..... off
Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:40 pm
Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:19 am
wez1927 wrote:abergblue wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!
Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.
Sorry, but that is naive. Dangerously naive. Chamberlain did well negotiating with Hitler?? Do you think our negotiating skills kept Stalin (and laye Russian leaders)out of Western Europe ??
iran would not even talk if we did not have Nuclear weapons, more powerful and accurate than theirs. Do you really believe they will stop producing them anyway?
These peace loving politically correct hippies will be the down fall of us
Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:09 pm
Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:15 pm
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Again, in an actual peaceful world, corbyn may be a good PM. But the world is on the brink of a major conflict (in my opinion ), when I say major I mean global. The world, again my opinion, won't be peaceful until the next 30-50years.
Until then, we need a government who will spend more on defence, more on science and more on engineering.
We NEED a larger and more better equipped military.
Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:40 pm
nubbsy wrote:Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Again, in an actual peaceful world, corbyn may be a good PM. But the world is on the brink of a major conflict (in my opinion ), when I say major I mean global. The world, again my opinion, won't be peaceful until the next 30-50years.
Until then, we need a government who will spend more on defence, more on science and more on engineering.
We NEED a larger and more better equipped military.
The world is constantly on the brink of a global conflict. Especially if you watch the news.