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Corbyn

Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:53 pm

Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:13 am

He's an idiot
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Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:46 am

He's a cock ,Dangerous idiot.

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:30 am

angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!


Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:05 am

Sneggyblubird wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!


Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.



Sorry, but that is naive. Dangerously naive. Chamberlain did well negotiating with Hitler?? Do you think our negotiating skills kept Stalin (and laye Russian leaders)out of Western Europe ??

iran would not even talk if we did not have Nuclear weapons, more powerful and accurate than theirs. Do you really believe they will stop producing them anyway?

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:18 am

abergblue wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!


Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.



Sorry, but that is naive. Dangerously naive. Chamberlain did well negotiating with Hitler?? Do you think our negotiating skills kept Stalin (and laye Russian leaders)out of Western Europe ??

iran would not even talk if we did not have Nuclear weapons, more powerful and accurate than theirs. Do you really believe they will stop producing them anyway?

These peace loving politically correct hippies will be the down fall of us

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:18 am

Our Nuclear weapons are as useless as the flood defences David Cameron wants to supply. If Russia or China wanted to attack the UK in any shape or form, Trident wouldn't stop them. It's a waste of money when you consider how much the UK needs that money to supply the NHS, employ more troops.he wants to put warheads onto the subs, but make them nuclear free.

On ISIS, his "political solution" isn't to negotiate with IS, but to create a blockade against any nation or group that deals arms or anything else with them, ie. Saudi & Turkey. The UN have taken that on board and started that themselves, so how is that a bad idea?

He also wants to protect Workers rights by making sure that the Human Right bill is safeguarded, something the Conservatives and UKIP are wanting to get rid of.

We're not a big player in the world any longer, so why are we still acting like it. Our steel industry is dying a quick death, with 1000 jobs lost TODAY in Port Talbot, where's our government? Wait; they just signed a £3.2billion steel deal with Sweden. And a £4.8billion deal with China.

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:20 am

AfanBluebird wrote:Our Nuclear weapons are as useless as the flood defences David Cameron wants to supply. If Russia or China wanted to attack the UK in any shape or form, Trident wouldn't stop them. It's a waste of money when you consider how much the UK needs that money to supply the NHS, employ more troops.he wants to put warheads onto the subs, but make them nuclear free.

On ISIS, his "political solution" isn't to negotiate with IS, but to create a blockade against any nation or group that deals arms or anything else with them, ie. Saudi & Turkey. The UN have taken that on board and started that themselves, so how is that a bad idea?

He also wants to protect Workers rights by making sure that the Human Right bill is safeguarded, something the Conservatives and UKIP are wanting to get rid of.

We're not a big player in the world any longer, so why are we still acting like it. Our steel industry is dying a quick death, with 1000 jobs lost TODAY in Port Talbot, where's our government? Wait; they just signed a £3.2billion steel deal with Sweden. And a £4.8billion deal with China.

So we scrap our nuclear weapons and go to war with someone who has them who do you think will win ????? Wake up the world isn't a peace loving utopia and never will be ,we need defence remember we are up grading our weapons not keeping the status quo

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:30 am

"If we go to war with someone who has nuclear weapons"...

Who are we going to war with? Like I've said, Russia & China both have a massive amount of Nuclear Arms, if they wanted to attack us, they would. No questions asked. We can't protect ourselves with the 42 war heads we have (going down to 31 if trident happens) against Russia's 200+ and China's 100+. Do I feel safer with them? Nope. Would I feel safe without them? Nope. So why the hell have them.

(Not a labour voter but know a media brainwashing frenzy when I see it)

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:35 am

AfanBluebird wrote:"If we go to war with someone who has nuclear weapons"...

Who are we going to war with? Like I've said, Russia & China both have a massive amount of Nuclear Arms, if they wanted to attack us, they would. No questions asked. We can't protect ourselves with the 42 war heads we have (going down to 31 if trident happens) against Russia's 200+ and China's 100+. Do I feel safer with them? Nope. Would I feel safe without them? Nope. So why the hell have them.

(Not a labour voter but know a media brainwashing frenzy when I see it)

Are you trying to say that we are safer without them ,you say we will only have 31 but they are capable of wiping out 31 cities do you think an any country is will to sacrifice those city's ,the word is in deterrent it makes people think twice ,is it worth the money yes I think it is ,on other points I do think the government needs to help out of steel industry and others at home ,that's why I wouldn't give any foreign aid to countries other than the common wealth and get out of the eu asap

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:36 pm

Sneggyblubird wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!


Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.

Trident is not there to combat terrorism, let me get my head around this, you would be willing to sit round a table and talk to people who behead people with a knife and video it,who burn people alive, who crucify Christians, and oh yes,rape children

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:13 pm

wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:Our Nuclear weapons are as useless as the flood defences David Cameron wants to supply. If Russia or China wanted to attack the UK in any shape or form, Trident wouldn't stop them. It's a waste of money when you consider how much the UK needs that money to supply the NHS, employ more troops.he wants to put warheads onto the subs, but make them nuclear free.

On ISIS, his "political solution" isn't to negotiate with IS, but to create a blockade against any nation or group that deals arms or anything else with them, ie. Saudi & Turkey. The UN have taken that on board and started that themselves, so how is that a bad idea?

He also wants to protect Workers rights by making sure that the Human Right bill is safeguarded, something the Conservatives and UKIP are wanting to get rid of.

We're not a big player in the world any longer, so why are we still acting like it. Our steel industry is dying a quick death, with 1000 jobs lost TODAY in Port Talbot, where's our government? Wait; they just signed a £3.2billion steel deal with Sweden. And a £4.8billion deal with China.

So we scrap our nuclear weapons and go to war with someone who has them who do you think will win ????? Wake up the world isn't a peace loving utopia and never will be ,we need defence remember we are up grading our weapons not keeping the status quo


Naive post Wez if we got hit with a nuke we'd all be dead what use would having our own nukes make then?

I agree with scrapping them as what is their purpose? A deterrent? Did that stop 9/11? Did America then launch one? NO! Why not? Cos it would be the end of the world they are not a deterrent if they were terrorists wouldn't be attacking us load of rubbish IMO

If one goes off they all go off end of the world

Work with the UN to rid the world of them completely and yes we then get rid of them

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:18 pm

smakerzthebluebird wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:Our Nuclear weapons are as useless as the flood defences David Cameron wants to supply. If Russia or China wanted to attack the UK in any shape or form, Trident wouldn't stop them. It's a waste of money when you consider how much the UK needs that money to supply the NHS, employ more troops.he wants to put warheads onto the subs, but make them nuclear free.

On ISIS, his "political solution" isn't to negotiate with IS, but to create a blockade against any nation or group that deals arms or anything else with them, ie. Saudi & Turkey. The UN have taken that on board and started that themselves, so how is that a bad idea?

He also wants to protect Workers rights by making sure that the Human Right bill is safeguarded, something the Conservatives and UKIP are wanting to get rid of.

We're not a big player in the world any longer, so why are we still acting like it. Our steel industry is dying a quick death, with 1000 jobs lost TODAY in Port Talbot, where's our government? Wait; they just signed a £3.2billion steel deal with Sweden. And a £4.8billion deal with China.

So we scrap our nuclear weapons and go to war with someone who has them who do you think will win ????? Wake up the world isn't a peace loving utopia and never will be ,we need defence remember we are up grading our weapons not keeping the status quo


Naive post Wez if we got hit with a nuke we'd all be dead what use would having our own nukes make then?

I agree with scrapping them as what is their purpose? A deterrent? Did that stop 9/11? Did America then launch one? NO! Why not? Cos it would be the end of the world they are not a deterrent if they were terrorists wouldn't be attacking us load of rubbish IMO

If one goes off they all go off end of the world

Work with the UN to rid the world of them completely and yes we then get rid of them

I'm not a naive person ,where have I said it stops terrorism ? 9/11 is America we live in Britain tottaly different threat to us ,trident is a part of our self defence and needs to be kept ,also we need to spend on home grown terrorist and sercure our borders

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:31 pm

I was previously a labour supporter but am no longer. Daesh should be obliterated, our nukes should be used as a last resort and f*cking Argentina. I think corbyn may be alright in peacetime but come on. But cmon, the world is hardly at peace at the moment. We need a stronger military.

Corbyn is too weak.

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:49 pm

Bridgend_bluebird wrote:I was previously a labour supporter but am no longer. Daesh should be obliterated, our nukes should be used as a last resort and f*cking Argentina. I think corbyn may be alright in peacetime but come on. But cmon, the world is hardly at peace at the moment. We need a stronger military.

Corbyn is too weak.

Same with me I voted Labour all my life but changed to ukip at the moment Labour s idea of a multicultural society has been a disaster ,they mortgage our nhs and surrendered our sovereignty to Europe

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:15 pm

Corbyn Is an undercover Marxist it seems ,


Hillary Benn is way toward

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:28 pm

his politics are outdated, and he represents biggest gift to the conservatives in years, who will win the election in 2020 if he is still there.

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:39 pm

The man is thick as shit.

We all want to live peacefully but that is not reality.

Nuclear weapons are not there to deter terrorists but to deter Iran, China, North Korea, Russia.....

We have around 200 nuclear warheads and Russia has around 8000 but not ready to go at a moments notice. And yes the west having nuclear detterant does stop Russia invading the rest of Ukraine and stops North Korea developing their nuclear weapons and destroying South Korea

Getting rid of it detterant would be the biggest mistake we ever made as a country

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:45 pm

shinyBlueGlue wrote:The man is thick as shit.

We all want to live peacefully but that is not reality.

Nuclear weapons are not there to deter terrorists but to deter Iran, China, North Korea, Russia.....

We have around 200 nuclear warheads and Russia has around 8000 but not ready to go at a moments notice. And yes the west having nuclear detterant does stop Russia invading the rest of Ukraine and stops North Korea developing their nuclear weapons and destroying South Korea

Getting rid of it detterant would be the biggest mistake we ever made as a country

Agree

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:17 pm

wez1927 wrote:
shinyBlueGlue wrote:The man is thick as shit.

We all want to live peacefully but that is not reality.

Nuclear weapons are not there to deter terrorists but to deter Iran, China, North Korea, Russia.....

We have around 200 nuclear warheads and Russia has around 8000 but not ready to go at a moments notice. And yes the west having nuclear detterant does stop Russia invading the rest of Ukraine and stops North Korea developing their nuclear weapons and destroying South Korea

Getting rid of it detterant would be the biggest mistake we ever made as a country

Agree


Still MAD.

Re: Corbyn

Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:46 pm

Conservative government for the next 3 terms with this dinosaur. Good move labour and your principles. On the outside looking in and Pissing up against a tornado

Re: Corbyn

Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:37 am

angelis1949 wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!


Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.

Trident is not there to combat terrorism, let me get my head around this, you would be willing to sit round a table and talk to people who behead people with a knife and video it,who burn people alive, who crucify Christians, and oh yes,rape children


You'd better get your head around it,its the way of the world.Rather than your silly glib example ponder this.How did we bring an end to the Irish terrorists?By talking and negotiation.History is full of disputes that were ultimately solved by dialog,otherwise we'd still be fighting half the worlds countries.

Re: Corbyn

Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:54 am

abergblue wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!


Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.



Sorry, but that is naive. Dangerously naive. Chamberlain did well negotiating with Hitler?? Do you think our negotiating skills kept Stalin (and laye Russian leaders)out of Western Europe ??

iran would not even talk if we did not have Nuclear weapons, more powerful and accurate than theirs. Do you really believe they will stop producing them anyway?


Naive?You need to start reading some informed news media sources.Trident is the delivery system,not the nuclear warheads.It has obvious advantages against the land based ICBM's.All Corbin said was theres no need to have its warheads deployed but trident could still be maintained.(on that point I don't agree with him mind.)You should also revisit your history.Oh,and by the way tell us how all our nukes kept the soviets out of Afghanistan in the 80's and latterly the Russians out of the Ukraine and Syria or for that matter the Argies out of the Falklands.

Re: Corbyn

Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:57 am

Sneggyblubird wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!


Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.

Trident is not there to combat terrorism, let me get my head around this, you would be willing to sit round a table and talk to people who behead people with a knife and video it,who burn people alive, who crucify Christians, and oh yes,rape children


You'd better get your head around it,its the way of the world.Rather than your silly glib example ponder this.How did we bring an end to the Irish terrorists?By talking and negotiation.History is full of disputes that were ultimately solved by dialog,otherwise we'd still be fighting half the worlds countries.
the ira were nothing like Isis are ,I don't think you get it they are not going to sit around a table as they want Islam and that's it

Re: Corbyn

Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:22 pm

Torrie rule for next 10 years Cameron :laughing5: his boll..... off

Re: Corbyn

Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:40 pm

No one has the sense to mention the UK are members of NATO .
Therefore we can save ourselves £600m and scrap it - unless of course, France and the US are going to use theirs against us .

Re: Corbyn

Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:19 am

wez1927 wrote:
abergblue wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:Would you vote for a man who wants to negotiate with Islamic State, wants to send our nuclear subs out to sea without nuclear weapons and be willing to give the Falklands back to Argentina even if the people who live there want to stay British, well if you're answer is yes to the above... Vote Labour!!


Nothing like misrepresenting what he actually said eh?I'm no fan of the guy but I agree with him on trident,I mean it seems the whole country thinks it keeps the terrorists at bay when really its by dialogue as in the Iran case.



Sorry, but that is naive. Dangerously naive. Chamberlain did well negotiating with Hitler?? Do you think our negotiating skills kept Stalin (and laye Russian leaders)out of Western Europe ??

iran would not even talk if we did not have Nuclear weapons, more powerful and accurate than theirs. Do you really believe they will stop producing them anyway?

These peace loving politically correct hippies will be the down fall of us



Haha yeah of everyone just wanted to blow eachother up the world would be a much safer place huh

Re: Corbyn

Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:09 pm

Again, in an actual peaceful world, corbyn may be a good PM. But the world is on the brink of a major conflict (in my opinion ), when I say major I mean global. The world, again my opinion, won't be peaceful until the next 30-50years.

Until then, we need a government who will spend more on defence, more on science and more on engineering.

We NEED a larger and more better equipped military.

Re: Corbyn

Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:15 pm

Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Again, in an actual peaceful world, corbyn may be a good PM. But the world is on the brink of a major conflict (in my opinion ), when I say major I mean global. The world, again my opinion, won't be peaceful until the next 30-50years.

Until then, we need a government who will spend more on defence, more on science and more on engineering.

We NEED a larger and more better equipped military.



The world is constantly on the brink of a global conflict. Especially if you watch the news.

Re: Corbyn

Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:40 pm

nubbsy wrote:
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Again, in an actual peaceful world, corbyn may be a good PM. But the world is on the brink of a major conflict (in my opinion ), when I say major I mean global. The world, again my opinion, won't be peaceful until the next 30-50years.

Until then, we need a government who will spend more on defence, more on science and more on engineering.

We NEED a larger and more better equipped military.



The world is constantly on the brink of a global conflict. Especially if you watch the news.


Yes, I know that, which is why I'm saying it'll take about 30-50 years for the human race to grow up and for peace. I honestly believe a global, man made catastrophe would bring everyone together.