No mention of Swansea....

Slipped into the bottom 3 yesterday
Not looking good for them at all. Teams around them all picking up and have goals in them too.
Lots of their fans appear to have chucked the towel in too......my heart bleeds
Luckily for them, there is only a very slim chance we might swap places, can u imagine the meltdown if we scraped into the playoffs.....

Still a long way to go but yes a lot of their fans have lost faith in avoiding relegation.

We all on here will be in shock if we replace them in the premier.

Still a long way to go but yes a lot of their fans have lost faith in avoiding relegation.

We all on here will be in shock if we replace them in the premier.

What? where do you get this stuff from?

The only people that have the attitude you describe is the newby fans who have only seen us in the top 10, the majority are quite upbeat and realise we are in a transitional stage and a fantastic place financially if it does happen to bounce right back. Id be shocked if we went down and genuinelly dont think we will. A win against Watford on Monday night and we are a few points off mid table. The drama you lot continue to wish to paint yourselves is... amusing shall we say.

I don't think their drop into the bottom three yesterday really means anything until they've played tomorrow. Game in hand, etc.

Still a long way to go but yes a lot of their fans have lost faith in avoiding relegation.

We all on here will be in shock if we replace them in the premier.

What? where do you get this stuff from?

The only people that have the attitude you describe is the newby fans who have only seen us in the top 10, the majority are quite upbeat and realise we are in a transitional stage and a fantastic place financially if it does happen to bounce right back. Id be shocked if we went down and genuinelly dont think we will. A win against Watford on Monday night and we are a few points off mid table. The drama you lot continue to wish to paint yourselves is... amusing shall we say.

I have a number of Jack friends who all believe they will be playing in the Championship next season. These are fans who have been watching Swansea in the Vetch Field days.

I have a number of Jack friends who all believe they will be playing in the Championship next season. These are fans who have been watching Swansea in the Vetch Field days.

Well they are in an overwhelming minority then, give them a light slap and tell them to "man up" from the rest of us will you?

I work with a lot of jacks, well most of them are glory hunters only been supporting them for 5 years or so .
The ones who have been there and supported for years think if they are still in the bottom 5 in April they are down , with the last 6 games they have .
So the next few weeks,and 10 games or so, are vital for them

Still a long way to go but yes a lot of their fans have lost faith in avoiding relegation.

We all on here will be in shock if we replace them in the premier.

What? where do you get this stuff from?

The only people that have the attitude you describe is the newby fans who have only seen us in the top 10, the majority are quite upbeat and realise we are in a transitional stage and a fantastic place financially if it does happen to bounce right back. Id be shocked if we went down and genuinelly dont think we will. A win against Watford on Monday night and we are a few points off mid table. The drama you lot continue to wish to paint yourselves is... amusing shall we say.

Ah the allusive "a win", not had many of them lately and Watford are a good strong team. You are 4 points behind Norwich, the team I think you will need to surpass too stay up. I never thought you would go down 2bh, but now you are looking like that sort of club, lost manager, players not happy, no goals, bad decisions against you, no luck etc....just have a look at planet Prozac, my god you'd think they were all born 10 years ago.....

Still a long way to go but yes a lot of their fans have lost faith in avoiding relegation.

We all on here will be in shock if we replace them in the premier.

What? where do you get this stuff from?

The only people that have the attitude you describe is the newby fans who have only seen us in the top 10, the majority are quite upbeat and realise we are in a transitional stage and a fantastic place financially if it does happen to bounce right back. Id be shocked if we went down and genuinelly dont think we will. A win against Watford on Monday night and we are a few points off mid table. The drama you lot continue to wish to paint yourselves is... amusing shall we say.

Ah the allusive "a win", not had many of them lately and Watford are a good strong team. You are 4 points behind Norwich, the team I think you will need to surpass too stay up. I never thought you would go down 2bh, but now you are looking like that sort of club, lost manager, players not happy, no goals, bad decisions against you, no luck etc....just have a look at planet Prozac, my god you'd think they were all born 10 years ago.....

Oh I very rarely read that forum, I dont feel it fairly represents fans views. It is always the extreme end of the scale when it comes to online forums.

I think it is important to point out however that much of what you have said there is not true. It is easy for someone wishing to paint a dramatic picture to make things up to make a full blown musical out of nothing, im not accusing you of this, maybe someone who made it up told you and you believed it? Ill address the points below.

-We scored 2 goals in our last game and almost certainly would have gone on to win had we not been the victim of the worst refereeing display in Premier League history. It was just one of those freak games. We are looking far more potent now Curtis has us playing the old way again.

-I dont think the players are unhappy, the ones that were are being allowed to leave (Shelvey and Gomis) if the rest are unhappy then it is because of our league position which Id full exoect them (and want them) to be.

-no luck and bad decisions. Id say that was the case for the Sunderland game, but in general we are where we are because we have been rubbish for the majority of the season rather than bad luck putting us there. It hasnt helped but its not to blame.

- lost manager. We didnt lose him, we sacked him. And rightly so. That is a positive. Since Curtis took over our performance levels are certainly heading upwards. It wont come overnight, but our performances against the likes of Man United and Man City away showed me that we are not far away from being in a position to put a run together.

Still a long way to go but yes a lot of their fans have lost faith in avoiding relegation.

We all on here will be in shock if we replace them in the premier.

What? where do you get this stuff from?

The only people that have the attitude you describe is the newby fans who have only seen us in the top 10, the majority are quite upbeat and realise we are in a transitional stage and a fantastic place financially if it does happen to bounce right back. Id be shocked if we went down and genuinelly dont think we will. A win against Watford on Monday night and we are a few points off mid table. The drama you lot continue to wish to paint yourselves is... amusing shall we say.

Ah the allusive "a win", not had many of them lately and Watford are a good strong team. You are 4 points behind Norwich, the team I think you will need to surpass too stay up. I never thought you would go down 2bh, but now you are looking like that sort of club, lost manager, players not happy, no goals, bad decisions against you, no luck etc....just have a look at planet Prozac, my god you'd think they were all born 10 years ago.....

Oh I very rarely read that forum, I dont feel it fairly represents fans views. It is always the extreme end of the scale when it comes to online forums.

I think it is important to point out however that much of what you have said there is not true. It is easy for someone wishing to paint a dramatic picture to make things up to make a full blown musical out of nothing, im not accusing you of this, maybe someone who made it up told you and you believed it? Ill address the points below.

-We scored 2 goals in our last game and almost certainly would have gone on to win had we not been the victim of the worst refereeing display in Premier League history. It was just one of those freak games. We are looking far more potent now Curtis has us playing the old way again.

-I dont think the players are unhappy, the ones that were are being allowed to leave (Shelvey and Gomis) if the rest are unhappy then it is because of our league position which Id full exoect them (and want them) to be.

-no luck and bad decisions. Id say that was the case for the Sunderland game, but in general we are where we are because we have been rubbish for the majority of the season rather than bad luck putting us there. It hasnt helped but its not to blame.

- lost manager. We didnt lose him, we sacked him. And rightly so. That is a positive. Since Curtis took over our performance levels are certainly heading upwards. It wont come overnight, but our performances against the likes of Man United and Man City away showed me that we are not far away from being in a position to put a run together.

Jesus Christ, you've got one hell of a pair of rose tinted glasses on there haven't you?! You've only won 4 games in the league with 21 already gone.

Say what you like that's very poor form by anyone's standards, if you have the same points return from the second half of the season that'll put you on 38 points, that is touch and go for relegation.

I bet thar be to difficult for him to understand norms your in the relegation zone jacj end of an hopefully troy deeney will run you ragged an vag few goaks tomorrow night!!!!!!!

Still a long way to go but yes a lot of their fans have lost faith in avoiding relegation.

We all on here will be in shock if we replace them in the premier.

What? where do you get this stuff from?

The only people that have the attitude you describe is the newby fans who have only seen us in the top 10, the majority are quite upbeat and realise we are in a transitional stage and a fantastic place financially if it does happen to bounce right back. Id be shocked if we went down and genuinelly dont think we will. A win against Watford on Monday night and we are a few points off mid table. The drama you lot continue to wish to paint yourselves is... amusing shall we say.

Ah the allusive "a win", not had many of them lately and Watford are a good strong team. You are 4 points behind Norwich, the team I think you will need to surpass too stay up. I never thought you would go down 2bh, but now you are looking like that sort of club, lost manager, players not happy, no goals, bad decisions against you, no luck etc....just have a look at planet Prozac, my god you'd think they were all born 10 years ago.....

Oh I very rarely read that forum, I dont feel it fairly represents fans views. It is always the extreme end of the scale when it comes to online forums.

I think it is important to point out however that much of what you have said there is not true. It is easy for someone wishing to paint a dramatic picture to make things up to make a full blown musical out of nothing, im not accusing you of this, maybe someone who made it up told you and you believed it? Ill address the points below.

-We scored 2 goals in our last game and almost certainly would have gone on to win had we not been the victim of the worst refereeing display in Premier League history. It was just one of those freak games. We are looking far more potent now Curtis has us playing the old way again.

-I dont think the players are unhappy, the ones that were are being allowed to leave (Shelvey and Gomis) if the rest are unhappy then it is because of our league position which Id full exoect them (and want them) to be.

-no luck and bad decisions. Id say that was the case for the Sunderland game, but in general we are where we are because we have been rubbish for the majority of the season rather than bad luck putting us there. It hasnt helped but its not to blame.

- lost manager. We didnt lose him, we sacked him. And rightly so. That is a positive. Since Curtis took over our performance levels are certainly heading upwards. It wont come overnight, but our performances against the likes of Man United and Man City away showed me that we are not far away from being in a position to put a run together.

Jesus Christ, you've got one hell of a pair of rose tinted glasses on there haven't you?! You've only won 4 games in the league with 21 already gone.

Say what you like that's very poor form by anyone's standards, if you have the same points return from the second half of the season that'll put you on 38 points, that is touch and go for relegation.

Yeh you can dress it up anyway you like, just look at the table and your form since you beat man Utd...just had a look at your upcoming fixtures too, to say the next 6 games are vital is an understatement. I still think you might survive by the skin of your teeth, unfortunately.

Still a long way to go but yes a lot of their fans have lost faith in avoiding relegation.

We all on here will be in shock if we replace them in the premier.

What? where do you get this stuff from?

The only people that have the attitude you describe is the newby fans who have only seen us in the top 10, the majority are quite upbeat and realise we are in a transitional stage and a fantastic place financially if it does happen to bounce right back. Id be shocked if we went down and genuinelly dont think we will. A win against Watford on Monday night and we are a few points off mid table. The drama you lot continue to wish to paint yourselves is... amusing shall we say.

Wish to paint? It's mid Jan and your in the bottom 3 hahah

Newcastle were in the bottom 3 in mid Jan too - they arent any more. It means nothing.

To base our second half of the season forecast on how we did under a completely different manager in the first half is lunacy. But if it makes you feel comforted then be my guest. Im as honest as they come when it comes to my team, i have no qualms in criticising or ney saying if that is what I truly feel.

I think we need 19 points from the next 17 games to be dining at the top table next season. Do I believe we can at least achieve that? Yes I do. That isnt being optimistic, or looking through rose tinted spectacles. I watch us every week, something that someone who just looks at a table in order to form an opinion does not. We are where we are due to our form under Monk. We have imprived markedly since then, so to assume we will match that in the second half of the season is fanciful id suggest.

Newcastle were in the bottom 3 in mid Jan too - they arent any more. It means nothing.

To base our second half of the season forecast on how we did under a completely different manager in the first half is lunacy. But if it makes you feel comforted then be my guest. Im as honest as they come when it comes to my team, i have no qualms in criticising or ney saying if that is what I truly feel.

I think we need 6 wins from the next 17 games to be dining at the top table next season. Do I believe we can at least achieve that? Yes I do. That isnt being optimistic, or looking through rose tinted spectacles. I watch us every week, something that someone who just looks at a table in order to form an opinion does not. We are where we are due to our form under Monk. We have imprived markedly since then, so to assume we will match that in the second half of the season is fanciful id suggest.

I don't think you will be relegated as you seem to have a nice little run of games coming up. Football about momentum whether going up or down. Sackin monk may have saved your season

Only time will tell.....

Agree Eddie. It is amazing how fast we were deteriorating under Monk. For my money, it would have benefitted us to have made the decision a tad earlier but Huw wanted to give him the best chance to turn it around as he could. But Monk changed our whole playing style and philosophy, it was never going to be turned around. Since then we have reverted back to the normal style, it isnt firing on all cylinders yet as we cannot expect it to, but week on week its getting there. If we can make a few additions before the window shuts then we could really push on in the second half and get a respectable league finish.

Still a long way to go but yes a lot of their fans have lost faith in avoiding relegation.

We all on here will be in shock if we replace them in the premier.

What? where do you get this stuff from?

The only people that have the attitude you describe is the newby fans who have only seen us in the top 10, the majority are quite upbeat and realise we are in a transitional stage and a fantastic place financially if it does happen to bounce right back. Id be shocked if we went down and genuinelly dont think we will. A win against Watford on Monday night and we are a few points off mid table. The drama you lot continue to wish to paint yourselves is... amusing shall we say.

Quote (Bowie): "The only people that have the attitude you describe is the newby fans who have only seen us in the top 10"

That's most of you then, Jack!

No, its a few thousand though. We had 15,000 odd when we were in the Championship. Some old fans kicking around in the 80's and 90's fell in love with the club again after getting a glory sized kick up the backside to go again, and the rest are people that have never had the pleasure to watch us before, be that due to age or other factors. We have been there half a decade now, so there were people going now that were in nappies the last time we were out of the Premier League.

We have a great fanbase at the moment, a lot of passionate kids that were not around in the dark days have had the opportunity due to our success to have the club sold to them. These types of fans have never experienced a season where we are not completely safe so they are going to be very concerned, not their fault but they have all the footballing learning in front of them and its an honour to have them at our club.

Swans** will be fine. Embarrasses me when cardiff fans keep saying they'll go down.

Think most on this thread seem to think they will be safe, just. Is it the first time they have slipped into the relegation zone in years so worth a mention wouldn't you say....strange how monk did so well last year, then plummeted despite signing some good players....

Swans** will be fine. Embarrasses me when cardiff fans keep saying they'll go down.

Can I borrow your crystal ball for the numbers next Saturday? It only embarrasses me when someone's obviously wrong on the subject of the jacks. They have every chance of going down, not saying they are but they're in a very precarious position now and have been languishing in and around the drop zone for some time now.

No, its a few thousand though. We had 15,000 odd when we were in the Championship. Some old fans kicking around in the 80's and 90's fell in love with the club again after getting a glory sized kick up the backside to go again, and the rest are people that have never had the pleasure to watch us before, be that due to age or other factors. We have been there half a decade now, so there were people going now that were in nappies the last time we were out of the Premier League.

We have a great fanbase at the moment, a lot of passionate kids that were not around in the dark days have had the opportunity due to our success to have the club sold to them. These types of fans have never experienced a season where we are not completely safe so they are going to be very concerned, not their fault but they have all the footballing learning in front of them and its an honour to have them at our club.

15,000 odd. Try 12,000 plus those getting freebie off tesco club card. When you drop your fanbase shrinks. It's smile supply and demand. People want the glory of top flight football rather than the scrap of 2nd tier.

It's lovely watching you squirm Roathie. Hope your not being too cruel to the pet dingo.

I think their doomed. If you can't beat a team below you at home you have problems and before any jack mentions the ref, Swansea benefited from 1 of his bad decisions. As for Cardiff, we're going nowhere.

I think their doomed. If you can't beat a team below you at home you have problems and before any jack mentions the ref, Swansea benefited from 1 of his bad decisions. As for Cardiff, we're going nowhere.

Cmon Murphy we all know that there's a reffing conspiracy and against Swansea and how they never get any decisions. Remember Sousa was going to go to uefa about it when he was in charge. They always forget the decisions that go there way like Ayew v Bournemouth and Sunderland. Williams was lucky not to get a ban for his antics after Leicester home game.

I rarely go on planet swamp but went on their yesterday. Comedy gold. Even complaining about Jason Mohammed on final score because he's a 'blueturd' and said Newcastles win puts Swansea into bottom 3. What's he meant to say ffs!

I think their doomed. If you can't beat a team below you at home you have problems and before any jack mentions the ref, Swansea benefited from 1 of his bad decisions. As for Cardiff, we're going nowhere.

Spot on, he tries to brush off the loss to Sunderland under the carpet, but it was a sign of how poor they are.

He also tries to say the sale of Shelvy to a relegation rival is ok because they got £12Million for him,he's deluded £12 Miion is feck all when it moves Newcastle up the table and results in them getting relegated.

Every football fan and pundit in the country can see it's stupid, but Roathy is trying to gloss over it and say he's happy about it

Curtis is out of his depth he didn't even want the job...........

15,000 odd. Try 12,000 plus those getting freebie off tesco club card. When you drop your fanbase shrinks. It's smile supply and demand. People want the glory of top flight football rather than the scrap of 2nd tier.

It's lovely watching you squirm Roathie. Hope your not being too cruel to the pet dingo.

No, it was certainly 15,000. Ive never heard of this Tesco malarkey im sorry.

15,187 in our first season
15,407 in our second
15,507 in our third

I agree your fanbase shrinks when you drop a league, but our fanbase has grown at such a rate, where it will still be bigger than the last time we were there.

I think their doomed. If you can't beat a team below you at home you have problems and before any jack mentions the ref, Swansea benefited from 1 of his bad decisions. As for Cardiff, we're going nowhere.

So you think that if a ref sends off one of your players and then gives the other side two phantom goals, you should still win if he gives you a controversial penalty? Im not sure if you really believe that or are saying it to be funny? The latter does work some what though,

Yo Roathy, what's your net spend over the last 18 months? Must be pretty heavily in the black so where's the cash disappearing?

Spot on, he tries to brush off the loss to Sunderland under the carpet, but it was a sign of how poor they are.

He also tries to say the sale of Shelvy to a relegation rival is ok because they got £12Million for him,he's deluded £12 Miion is feck all when it moves Newcastle up the table and results in them getting relegated.

Every football fan and pundit in the country can see it's stupid, but Roathy is trying to gloss over it and say he's happy about it

Curtis is out of his depth he didn't even want the job...........

The loss to Sunderland was only a sign of how poor the officiating was. Any sane or fair minded football fan can see that. Its like sending off Ronaldo after 5minutes for simply oassing the ball, and then saying his sending off is a sign of how poor he is - it was an refereeing blunder, thats all.

£12m is massive. We dont rely on loans, the £12m for a disruptive and poor footballer can be put towards strengthening the side in areas we need. It makes no odds if it was to Newcastle or not. We need to get points ourselves, if we get another 19 in 17 games, we will be fine in my opinion - regardless of what Newcastle do.

We may sell them Gomis too. With my blessing, providing we have a replacement waiting.

Yo Roathy, what's your net spend over the last 18 months? Must be pretty heavily in the black so where's the cash disappearing?

Im not Roathy, i always find it interesting as soon as a debate starts to go against people how many times and quickly that word is used, watch out for it in the future, its uncanny.

But to answer your question. We have projects and investments, we have two academies, a new training ground and a possible stadium purchase in the pipeline. We dont wish ti take loans or have outside "investments" so we must earn our miney rather than just put our hands out and get it. I dont know our net spend, but now Shelvey has gone id imagine there would be circa £20m in the pot to spend, £25m if Gomis leaves.

Its about spending it wisely now.