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Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:21 pm

After Joe Ralls having had two very ordinary performances over the last two games, getting caught in procession on more than a couple of occasions, I wonder is the pressure starting to get to him ?
I know Joe has been capped by England at u/19 level and is still seen as one for the future by many city fans, but he is 22 yrs old now and has taken a hell of a long time to force his way into the side.
Peter Whittingham has been capped at u/21 level by England and is vastly more experienced and dare I say it, vastly more talented. Yes, he's had a poor run of games and has been dropped to the bench, but has Whitts being enjoying his football playing so deep ? He's never going to recapture his shooting skills along with the goals he used to score from playing just in front of the back four surely ?

An interesting point I picked up on was their respective values on the current transfer market site.
Joe is currently valued at just £280k whilst Whitts is currently valued at £1.75million.
Can't they play in the same team ?

:bluebird:

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:24 pm

WitlaBlue wrote:After Joe Ralls having had two very ordinary performances over the last two games, getting caught in procession on more than a couple of occasions, I wonder is the pressure starting to get to him ?
I know Joe has been capped by England at u/19 level and is still seen as one for the future by many city fans, but he is 22 yrs old now and has taken a hell of a long time to force his way into the side.
Peter Whittingham has been capped at u/21 level by England and is vastly more experienced and dare I say it, vastly more talented. Yes, he's had a poor run of games and has been dropped to the bench, but has Whitts being enjoying his football playing so deep ? He's never going to recapture his shooting skills along with the goals he used to score from playing just in front of the back four surely ?

An interesting point I picked up on was their respective values on the current transfer market site.
Joe is currently valued at just £280k whilst Whitts is currently valued at £1.75million.
Can't they play in the same team ?

:bluebird:

No way is Ralls worth just £280k. I know our fans overrate him as such but that would be criminal.

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:46 pm

No way would anyone pay that much for Whitts - he's past it, time for City fans to realise so.
Joe has done well recently and is a hell of a lot more reliable that Whitts - even if Joe's touch or pass is off etc you can always rely on him to get stuck in; same can definitely NOT be said for that fraud Whittingham

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:50 pm

mike17jones wrote:No way would anyone pay that much for Whitts - he's past it, time for City fans to realise so.
Joe has done well recently and is a hell of a lot more reliable that Whitts - even if Joe's touch or pass is off etc you can always rely on him to get stuck in; same can definitely NOT be said for that fraud Whittingham

So get stuck in and then give it away. Brilliant philosophy.

Whitts may be past his best but "Fraud"? Do me a f*cking favour. 3 PFA championship teams of the year as voted by his peers.

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:03 pm

polo wrote:
mike17jones wrote:No way would anyone pay that much for Whitts - he's past it, time for City fans to realise so.
Joe has done well recently and is a hell of a lot more reliable that Whitts - even if Joe's touch or pass is off etc you can always rely on him to get stuck in; same can definitely NOT be said for that fraud Whittingham

So get stuck in and then give it away. Brilliant philosophy.

Whitts may be past his best but "Fraud"? Do me a f*cking favour. 3 PFA championship teams of the year as voted by his peers.


Didn't get stuck in after he gave the ball away against Forest for them to score.

I like Ralls, but he's trying to do the role Whitts plays and he's nowhere near as effective IMO. He was much better playing 10 yards further forward. Hasn't had an impact for the last few games.

The way Whitts plays in a 442 though doesn't work, so wish Ralls would stop doing the same things.

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:06 pm

KBK-13 wrote:
polo wrote:
mike17jones wrote:No way would anyone pay that much for Whitts - he's past it, time for City fans to realise so.
Joe has done well recently and is a hell of a lot more reliable that Whitts - even if Joe's touch or pass is off etc you can always rely on him to get stuck in; same can definitely NOT be said for that fraud Whittingham

So get stuck in and then give it away. Brilliant philosophy.

Whitts may be past his best but "Fraud"? Do me a f*cking favour. 3 PFA championship teams of the year as voted by his peers.


Didn't get stuck in after he gave the ball away against Forest for them to score.

I like Ralls, but he's trying to do the role Whitts plays and he's nowhere near as effective IMO. He was much better playing 10 yards further forward. Hasn't had an impact for the last few games.

The way Whitts plays in a 442 though doesn't work, so wish Ralls would stop doing the same things.



Well that would suggest to me it's the managers instructions.

He can't lace Whitts boots technically. He gives you more energy of course but if he's just sitting then what's the point?

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:33 pm

mike17jones wrote:No way would anyone pay that much for Whitts - he's past it, time for City fans to realise so.
Joe has done well recently and is a hell of a lot more reliable that Whitts - even if Joe's touch or pass is off etc you can always rely on him to get stuck in; same can definitely NOT be said for that fraud Whittingham



The service and professionalism whitts has given cardiff over the years and you call him a fraud. What a first class c**t.

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:20 pm

polo wrote:
KBK-13 wrote:
polo wrote:
mike17jones wrote:No way would anyone pay that much for Whitts - he's past it, time for City fans to realise so.
Joe has done well recently and is a hell of a lot more reliable that Whitts - even if Joe's touch or pass is off etc you can always rely on him to get stuck in; same can definitely NOT be said for that fraud Whittingham

So get stuck in and then give it away. Brilliant philosophy.

Whitts may be past his best but "Fraud"? Do me a f*cking favour. 3 PFA championship teams of the year as voted by his peers.


Didn't get stuck in after he gave the ball away against Forest for them to score.

I like Ralls, but he's trying to do the role Whitts plays and he's nowhere near as effective IMO. He was much better playing 10 yards further forward. Hasn't had an impact for the last few games.

The way Whitts plays in a 442 though doesn't work, so wish Ralls would stop doing the same things.



Well that would suggest to me it's the managers instructions.

He can't lace Whitts boots technically. He gives you more energy of course but if he's just sitting then what's the point?


My thoughts exactly, I think the way Ralls demands the ball in tight areas and tries to turn away is great, but he's wasted picking up 5 yard passes from the defence

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:56 pm

Ralls needs to be played more up the field than where he is at the moment and Whitts can't play in a 442 Ralls needs to add goals to his game to even get near Whitts transfer value.

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:40 am

Market value websites are usually wide of the mark. The one I go on is anyway.

Ralls has never had a significant transfer, so the people who value players really don't know how to value him.

We do, as we watch him every week.

Put in a good team I think he could be awesome.

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:19 pm

nubbsy wrote:
mike17jones wrote:No way would anyone pay that much for Whitts - he's past it, time for City fans to realise so.
Joe has done well recently and is a hell of a lot more reliable that Whitts - even if Joe's touch or pass is off etc you can always rely on him to get stuck in; same can definitely NOT be said for that fraud Whittingham



The service and professionalism whitts has given cardiff over the years and you call him a fraud. What a first class c**t.
agree what a bellend

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:21 pm

Play the right system and whitts will capture some form.htf can anyone expect quality when slade plays a player like whittingham In a holding role.and what really baffles me is when fans keep on about him passing back but when your so far deep how can we expect him to hit a good ball forward when he's just about in front of the defence he's Peter not pirlo

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:24 pm

tylorstown18891 wrote:Play the right system and whitts will capture some form.htf can anyone expect quality when slade plays a player like whittingham In a holding role.and what really baffles me is when fans keep on about him passing back but when your so far deep how can we expect him to hit a good ball forward when he's just about in front of the defence he's Peter not pirlo


In the right formation with Ralls and Gunnars energy around him he could be our answer to Pirlo :notworthy:

Not in a 442 though but Pirlo couldnt play in a 2 man centre midfield 442 either. :laughing6:

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:48 pm

Ralls would be worth a LOT more than Whittingham now, maybe £1m max for Whitts now as he is 31 and seemingly past it.

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:30 pm

T1JMO wrote:Ralls would be worth a LOT more than Whittingham now, maybe £1m max for Whitts now as he is 31 and seemingly past it.



Whittts past it at 31 ?
When you have players regularly playing into their late thirties in both the premiership and the championship ?
He is in his prime at 31 ! And if played in a more forward attacking position where his superior skills would be maximised, I'm sure fans would soon get behind him again, especially as the goals started to return.

As regards transfer values, they are what they are. Joe hasn't set the world alight in all reality has he ?

:bluebird:

Re: Transfer Market Values Ralls vs Whittingham

Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:39 am

WitlaBlue wrote:
T1JMO wrote:Ralls would be worth a LOT more than Whittingham now, maybe £1m max for Whitts now as he is 31 and seemingly past it.



Whittts past it at 31 ?
When you have players regularly playing into their late thirties in both the premiership and the championship ?
He is in his prime at 31 ! And if played in a more forward attacking position where his superior skills would be maximised, I'm sure fans would soon get behind him again, especially as the goals started to return.

As regards transfer values, they are what they are. Joe hasn't set the world alight in all reality has he ?

:bluebird:


Yes past it at 31, he is a shaddow of the player he was 4-5 years ago.

Whilst I do agree a lot of player's do well into their late 30s, every player is different but Whitts isn't anything like he used to be.