Reality time at CCFC

We knew this day was coming and lets be honest, Tan has given Slade a chance to keep the marque players but looking at the league table its obvious he has fcuked it up.

So its bye bye to Marshall, Jones, Manga, Nooney, Fabio and maybe a host of others. Its time for us to find out if our kids who are not kids but young men are good enough.

I am quite excited, young hungry players, maybe unearth a gem, what happened to the dutch winger ? We got half a season to have a look, get rid of Slade ASAP, then onto next season and start again.

Get a modern manager, make Ralls the captain of a young, hungry, aggressive & hugely reduced salaried squad, spinkle in a little class and experience where its needed and hope for the best

We've been in worse predicaments.

Tan has no interest at all. Flogging players and taking the parachutes before he jumps. If we sell our best players(Jones isn't one of them) we're doomed.

Tan has no interest at all. Flogging players and taking the parachutes before he jumps. If we sell our best players(Jones isn't one of them) we're doomed.

How and why is he going to jump ? Yes, our current model is unsustainable and needs changing. If he had no interest he would have sold them all in summer. He gave dopey a chance and he has failed.

Its not easy selling a championship team, but even harder selling a league 1 club, we need to stay up. Malky had 9 full time pro's although pretty much he better one from the jones era when he started, but within 2 season we were promoted.

Ole's 8 month nightmare has taken two years to clear up and Vinny will have lost a fortune.

I just can't see how Tan jumps.

a- Sell it for a quid with a £50 million debt note, can't see many going for that

b- Write off his debt and sell it for £50 million

both scenarios he loses a fortune, i think there's a third

C- Run the club properly, slowly try to pay a bit of the debt notes and see if we can get back into to the premier leagues cash

Reality does not exist on here with most. The Cardiff fans want everything and they want it now, tan out, better players, don't sell the best players, slade out, top of the league. All at the same time. When they all contradict eachother.

Tan has no interest at all. Flogging players and taking the parachutes before he jumps. If we sell our best players(Jones isn't one of them) we're doomed.

I am far from being a supporter of Vincent Tan and his period and methods of ownership of CCFC, but what evidence do you have that he has taken any repayments of his debt? Some people seem to think that the parachute payments represent some kind of "free cash" that he can take to reduce his debt rather than the reality of them being a source of income that reduces what would otherwise be larger cash outflows and trading losses.

As and when the May 2015 accounts are published ( all we know about them at present is that they show looses below the threshold allowed by the League FFP rules) they will show how the debt due to VT has moved up to that date.

Tan has no interest at all. Flogging players and taking the parachutes before he jumps. If we sell our best players(Jones isn't one of them) we're doomed.

I am far from being a supporter of Vincent Tan and his period and methods of ownership of CCFC, but what evidence do you have that he has taken any repayments of his debt? Some people seem to think that the parachute payments represent some kind of "free cash" that he can take to reduce his debt rather than the reality of them being a source of income that reduces what would otherwise be larger cash outflows and trading losses.

As and when the May 2015 accounts are published ( all we know about them at present is that they show looses below the threshold allowed by the League FFP rules) they will show how the debt due to VT has moved up to that date.

So what does that mean then keith a fine or points deduction comming up with this new rule for FFP

We knew this day was coming and lets be honest, Tan has given Slade a chance to keep the marque players but looking at the league table its obvious he has fcuked it up.

So its bye bye to Marshall, Jones, Manga, Nooney, Fabio and maybe a host of others. Its time for us to find out if our kids who are not kids but young men are good enough.

I am quite excited, young hungry players, maybe unearth a gem, what happened to the dutch winger ? We got half a season to have a look, get rid of Slade ASAP, then onto next season and start again.

Get a modern manager, make Ralls the captain of a young, hungry, aggressive & hugely reduced salaried squad, spinkle in a little class and experience where its needed and hope for the best

We've been in worse predicaments.

Maybe, just maybe,,that's exactly what our club is trying to do. I can certainly see most of the player you mentioned moving on in due course in any case, however the biggest change we need in order to really move on & progress next season is a new manager.

Russell Slade was brought in to do a "dirty Job",,,,& he's almost succeeded in completing that. The question is though, is he the man to push on? I don't think so.

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llan you really do have an interesting take on it and and I really like the sound of it hope youre right.

Tan has no interest at all. Flogging players and taking the parachutes before he jumps. If we sell our best players(Jones isn't one of them) we're doomed.

I am far from being a supporter of Vincent Tan and his period and methods of ownership of CCFC, but what evidence do you have that he has taken any repayments of his debt? Some people seem to think that the parachute payments represent some kind of "free cash" that he can take to reduce his debt rather than the reality of them being a source of income that reduces what would otherwise be larger cash outflows and trading losses.

As and when the May 2015 accounts are published ( all we know about them at present is that they show looses below the threshold allowed by the League FFP rules) they will show how the debt due to VT has moved up to that date.

So what does that mean then keith a fine or points deduction comming up with this new rule for FFP

Apparently we were just under the limit of loss allowed so no sanctions and that is after we've had parachute payments players leaving and wage bill slashed so goes to show just how much money we will continue to lose a month even though we've mad massive cuts

The club isn't sustainable at the moment so I can see another two years of uncle fester and player sales and people brought in on sensible wages but more than likely free transfers and small purchases

The likes or Marshall etc cannot stay on £25000 a week we can't afford to pay that avenger championship wage used to be around £9000 a week that's the kind of contracts we need to paying not what we do now

The dreamers will think we can hold onto the best players and continue to call for signings etc not unless vinny keeps propping us up which he has proved he isn't willing to do anymore by the actions the last year

I love the way our debts jumped up by 40 odd million when malky bought all those players, yet by magic, when we sold them all fit almost the same bar the dane of course, it didn't reduce.....amazing eh

llan you really do have an interesting take on it and and I really like the sound of it hope youre right.

Nothing is as bad as watching Chalie Oatway play,( i wonder did he ever break anyone's leg with his tackling style) .

We talk about buying and selling as if its the FT 100 stock exchange, there isn't always a buyer or seller.

Tan is still an incredibly wealthy man, but if he is going to lose more cutting his losses than running it to a business plan then he is always going to do the later.
There is also the second point, ego. Will he want to walk away as a failure, nope, just can't see it.

Let Slade do the dirty work and watch him "resign" with a decent bonus in February. In comes Bellers as a care taker.

llan you really do have an interesting take on it and and I really like the sound of it hope youre right.

Nothing is as bad as watching Chalie Oatway play,( i wonder did he ever break anyone's leg with his tackling style) .

We talk about buying and selling as if its the FT 100 stock exchange, there isn't always a buyer or seller.

Tan is still an incredibly wealthy man, but if he is going to lose more cutting his losses than running it to a business plan then he is always going to do the later.
There is also the second point, ego. Will he want to walk away as a failure, nope, just can't see it.

Let Slade do the dirty work and watch him "resign" with a decent bonus in February. In comes Bellers as a care taker.

Then theres absolutely no point letting Slade sign some players.

Tan has no interest at all. Flogging players and taking the parachutes before he jumps. If we sell our best players(Jones isn't one of them) we're doomed.

I am far from being a supporter of Vincent Tan and his period and methods of ownership of CCFC, but what evidence do you have that he has taken any repayments of his debt? Some people seem to think that the parachute payments represent some kind of "free cash" that he can take to reduce his debt rather than the reality of them being a source of income that reduces what would otherwise be larger cash outflows and trading losses.

As and when the May 2015 accounts are published ( all we know about them at present is that they show looses below the threshold allowed by the League FFP rules) they will show how the debt due to VT has moved up to that date.

So what does that mean then keith a fine or points deduction comming up with this new rule for FFP

I hope I read correctly that Keith said "below the threshold" which would mean Cardiff City are (under FFP Rules) on the right side of the line!

llan you really do have an interesting take on it and and I really like the sound of it hope youre right.

Nothing is as bad as watching Chalie Oatway play,( i wonder did he ever break anyone's leg with his tackling style) .

We talk about buying and selling as if its the FT 100 stock exchange, there isn't always a buyer or seller.

Tan is still an incredibly wealthy man, but if he is going to lose more cutting his losses than running it to a business plan then he is always going to do the later.
There is also the second point, ego. Will he want to walk away as a failure, nope, just can't see it.

Let Slade do the dirty work and watch him "resign" with a decent bonus in February. In comes Bellers as a care taker.

Then theres absolutely no point letting Slade sign some players.

Stevie Wonder can tell Watt is a good player, who said we will get anyone else. A few loans from our sister clubs or thier scouts.

llan you really do have an interesting take on it and and I really like the sound of it hope youre right.

Nothing is as bad as watching Chalie Oatway play,( i wonder did he ever break anyone's leg with his tackling style) .

We talk about buying and selling as if its the FT 100 stock exchange, there isn't always a buyer or seller.

Tan is still an incredibly wealthy man, but if he is going to lose more cutting his losses than running it to a business plan then he is always going to do the later.
There is also the second point, ego. Will he want to walk away as a failure, nope, just can't see it.

Let Slade do the dirty work and watch him "resign" with a decent bonus in February. In comes Bellers as a care taker.

Then theres absolutely no point letting Slade sign some players.

Stevie Wonder can tell Watt is a good player, who said we will get anyone else. A few loans from our sister clubs or thier scouts.

What about Slade though?

llan you really do have an interesting take on it and and I really like the sound of it hope youre right.

Nothing is as bad as watching Chalie Oatway play,( i wonder did he ever break anyone's leg with his tackling style) .

We talk about buying and selling as if its the FT 100 stock exchange, there isn't always a buyer or seller.

Tan is still an incredibly wealthy man, but if he is going to lose more cutting his losses than running it to a business plan then he is always going to do the later.
There is also the second point, ego. Will he want to walk away as a failure, nope, just can't see it.

Let Slade do the dirty work and watch him "resign" with a decent bonus in February. In comes Bellers as a care taker.

Then theres absolutely no point letting Slade sign some players.

Stevie Wonder can tell Watt is a good player, who said we will get anyone else. A few loans from our sister clubs or thier scouts.

What about Slade though?

you never know

Tan is going through the motions. If he had any interest he would actually turn up at games. He's waiting till he gets all the parachutes before he tries to sell up. He appointed Slade , so I doubt he consider getting rid of him unless we drop too far. This is the reality.

I said that Tan could being advised by his sister club for our next manager.

Tan is going through the motions. If he had any interest he would actually turn up at games. He's waiting till he gets all the parachutes before he tries to sell up. He appointed Slade , so I doubt he consider getting rid of him unless we drop too far. This is the reality.

fernandes at qpr seen 1 game this season (today) as he lost interest in them??? guesss in premier several owners not seen a game either its modern ownership!!!!

Tan has no interest at all. Flogging players and taking the parachutes before he jumps. If we sell our best players(Jones isn't one of them) we're doomed.

I am far from being a supporter of Vincent Tan and his period and methods of ownership of CCFC, but what evidence do you have that he has taken any repayments of his debt? Some people seem to think that the parachute payments represent some kind of "free cash" that he can take to reduce his debt rather than the reality of them being a source of income that reduces what would otherwise be larger cash outflows and trading losses.

As and when the May 2015 accounts are published ( all we know about them at present is that they show looses below the threshold allowed by the League FFP rules) they will show how the debt due to VT has moved up to that date.

So what does that mean then keith a fine or points deduction comming up with this new rule for FFP

I hope I read correctly that Keith said "below the threshold" which would mean Cardiff City are (under FFP Rules) on the right side of the line!

Yes,we must have been below the level of losses for 2014/15 that would have been in breach of the FFP rules and would have triggered the same transfer embargo as Nottm Forest and Fulham whose losses were over the limit. Bolton had an embargo because they didn't submit their accounts to the League by the due date.

I understand that we are currently compliant with FFP this season as well , but a further problem arises next season when the current parachute payment drops by £9m so additional income will have to be generated and/ or further cost cutting will have to take place.

Tan has no interest at all. Flogging players and taking the parachutes before he jumps. If we sell our best players(Jones isn't one of them) we're doomed.

I am far from being a supporter of Vincent Tan and his period and methods of ownership of CCFC, but what evidence do you have that he has taken any repayments of his debt? Some people seem to think that the parachute payments represent some kind of "free cash" that he can take to reduce his debt rather than the reality of them being a source of income that reduces what would otherwise be larger cash outflows and trading losses.

As and when the May 2015 accounts are published ( all we know about them at present is that they show looses below the threshold allowed by the League FFP rules) they will show how the debt due to VT has moved up to that date.

So what does that mean then keith a fine or points deduction comming up with this new rule for FFP

I hope I read correctly that Keith said "below the threshold" which would mean Cardiff City are (under FFP Rules) on the right side of the line!

Yes,we must have been below the level of losses for 2014/15 that would have been in breach of the FFP rules and would have triggered the same transfer embargo as Nottm Forest and Fulham whose losses were over the limit. Bolton had an embargo because they didn't submit their accounts to the League by the due date.

I understand that we are currently compliant with FFP this season as well , but a further problem arises next season when the current parachute payment drops by £9m so additional income will have to be generated and/ or further cost cutting will have to take place.

I think that summarizes exactly what is happening at this club right now. Give it a go if we are in the top 6, cut costs if we aren't as we need to. Slade does all the cost cutting required and we start afresh as we did with Malky and hope for the same but not invest so unwisely if we do eventually go back up

This is said every transfer window.

I love the way our debts jumped up by 40 odd million when malky bought all those players, yet by magic, when we sold them all fit almost the same bar the dane of course, it didn't reduce.....amazing eh

Not even close to being true.

The only players we got the money we paid back was Medel, Mutch, caulker and possibly Brayford.

We lost money on Kim, Maynard, Cornelius, Miller, Odemwingie.

We are still paying the wages of Kiss, Velikonja, Theophile Catherine and will lose money on them. We will lose money on Turner too as I feel he will leave for free.

Also Ole made loads of signings. The only one we haven't or won't lose money on is Manga.

I love the way our debts jumped up by 40 odd million when malky bought all those players, yet by magic, when we sold them all fit almost the same bar the dane of course, it didn't reduce.....amazing eh

Not even close to being true.

The only players we got the money we paid back was Medel, Mutch, caulker and possibly Brayford.

We lost money on Kim, Maynard, Cornelius, Miller, Odemwingie.

We are still paying the wages of Kiss, Velikonja, Theophile Catherine and will lose money on them. We will lose money on Turner too as I feel he will leave for free.

Also Ole made loads of signings. The only one we haven't or won't lose money on is Manga.

Theo was sold in the summer for 1 million

I love the way our debts jumped up by 40 odd million when malky bought all those players, yet by magic, when we sold them all fit almost the same bar the dane of course, it didn't reduce.....amazing eh

Not even close to being true.

The only players we got the money we paid back was Medel, Mutch, caulker and possibly Brayford.

We lost money on Kim, Maynard, Cornelius, Miller, Odemwingie.

We are still paying the wages of Kiss, Velikonja, Theophile Catherine and will lose money on them. We will lose money on Turner too as I feel he will leave for free.

Also Ole made loads of signings. The only one we haven't or won't lose money on is Manga.

Theo was sold in the summer for 1 million

So we did.

Made a loss on him.

I love the way our debts jumped up by 40 odd million when malky bought all those players, yet by magic, when we sold them all fit almost the same bar the dane of course, it didn't reduce.....amazing eh

Not even close to being true.

The only players we got the money we paid back was Medel, Mutch, caulker and possibly Brayford.

We lost money on Kim, Maynard, Cornelius, Miller, Odemwingie.

We are still paying the wages of Kiss, Velikonja, Theophile Catherine and will lose money on them. We will lose money on Turner too as I feel he will leave for free.

Also Ole made loads of signings. The only one we haven't or won't lose money on is Manga.

Odomwingie was a swap for kenwyne who's about to leave for free when we could have sold him in the summer and got something

tan can't take the parachute money and feck off , it's not allowed as part of the parachute payment schedule, as far as I know


tan it seems is trying to get the club to operate within its own revenue streams, tan us obviously not interested in h's any more mainly because fans told him to feck off every time he turned up, I would do the same if I was tan.

So where does that leaves us in the shit basically, we can do it with kids but it needs the right manager , slade is not that person, new manager required and a wage cap ASAP

At least Tan had the guts to go for it! It went wrong. The football went wrong. The joke transfers went wrong. Some fans turned against him, not me. As fans we have no control over anything at CCFC, that's the modern world. So I just want to go and support our players trying, that's my reality.

At least Tan had the guts to go for it! It went wrong. The football went wrong. The joke transfers went wrong. Some fans turned against him, not me. As fans we have no control over anything at CCFC, that's the modern world. So I just want to go and support our players trying, that's my reality.

I love the way our debts jumped up by 40 odd million when malky bought all those players, yet by magic, when we sold them all fit almost the same bar the dane of course, it didn't reduce.....amazing eh

Not even close to being true.

The only players we got the money we paid back was Medel, Mutch, caulker and possibly Brayford.

We lost money on Kim, Maynard, Cornelius, Miller, Odemwingie.

We are still paying the wages of Kiss, Velikonja, Theophile Catherine and will lose money on them. We will lose money on Turner too as I feel he will leave for free.

Also Ole made loads of signings. The only one we haven't or won't lose money on is Manga.

Odomwingie was a swap for kenwyne who's about to leave for free when we could have sold him in the summer and got something

We couldn't else we would have.

Anything less than 2.5 million is a loss as we paid that for Odemwingie.