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' Going Nowhere '

Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:20 am

Facts:

Cardiff are a club with Premier League infrastructure, fan base and stadium.

Russell Slade has slashed the wage bill by 12m plus and is achieving what we achieved last season. From a business point of view that is a stellar performance.

On paper we still have a squad capable of winning promotion.

Opinion:

Slade doesn't have the ability to make the next step, his signings have been poor and has failed to get our lazy players to fire... Whitts and Jones for example.

Slade makes some strange decisions, team selection, substitutions and players... Kennedy?

The team lacks drive and pace. We dropped Whitts... Has it made a difference to the points tally... I'm not suggesting he's the answer by the way.

Pilkington is a wide man with no pace, that causes him to come back inside and then its too late, the banks of four or more are back.

I think our defensive options are fine, we've got a world class keeper, we have a base to build from.

I think we need to change the manager, he's. Done a great job of steadying the ship, well done but now we need to push on.

We need an experienced manager.

Those who want Bellamy are deluded, he will motivate for a few games but what happens when things don't go his way... Look at previous evidence... It'll be a car crash.

I like Watt, get someone with him with drive and energy, get rid of Jones. Start defending from the front and then counter attack with pace. Play Noone and Kennedy, take the shackles off them, tell them that when we break up play and win the ball they go at the opposition not wait for them rest of the team to catch up. Allow them to fail some times, they will but keep at it.

We need a central midfielder with pace and drive.

Mason is not good enough not clinical enough for a striker, not good enough to be a no 10. Send Ameobi back. Ralls is not getting us promoted, decent player but not good enough.

New striker, new central midfield, inject pace in to the team wherever we can.

However, with all that said Slade has done a stellar job from a business/cost point of view. We are a line on Mr Tan's spreadsheet that has improving business performance, that unfortunately is the position we are in. Falling revenues from the attendances may be the driver to change, but that'll be the main driver not league position.

Re: Going Nowhere

Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:31 am

OPINION - Even though 12m has been shaved off the wage bill it's still in the mid 20m's and one of the highest budgets in the division.

Re: ' Going Nowhere '

Wed Dec 30, 2015 12:11 pm

agree with a lot of that. Einstein for manager !

Re: ' Going Nowhere '

Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:00 pm

Not saying the wage bill is where it needs to be in this division, but it is getting there. If KJ goes thats another 1m+. Whitts must be another on a large wage, wouldn't miss Gunnarson either, he again must be on very good money.

Re: Going Nowhere

Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:05 pm

polo wrote:OPINION - Even though 12m has been shaved off the wage bill it's still in the mid 20m's and one of the highest budgets in the division.


Spot on, the squad is still good enough if used properly.

Slade is so stubborn with his old fashioned ways its killing us.

Re: ' Going Nowhere '

Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:56 pm

Totally agree Einstein :sladeout:

Re: ' Going Nowhere '

Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:06 pm

Very good post entirely agree.

Re: ' Going Nowhere '

Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:13 pm

Marshall is not a world class goalkeeper

Re: ' Going Nowhere '

Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:16 pm

Double G wrote:agree with a lot of that. Einstein for manager !


You can't hes dead. :laughing6:

Re: ' Going Nowhere '

Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:49 pm

Einstein wrote:Facts:

Cardiff are a club with Premier League infrastructure, fan base and stadium.

Russell Slade has slashed the wage bill by 12m plus and is achieving what we achieved last season. From a business point of view that is a stellar performance.

On paper we still have a squad capable of winning promotion.

Opinion:

Slade doesn't have the ability to make the next step, his signings have been poor and has failed to get our lazy players to fire... Whitts and Jones for example.

Slade makes some strange decisions, team selection, substitutions and players... Kennedy?

The team lacks drive and pace. We dropped Whitts... Has it made a difference to the points tally... I'm not suggesting he's the answer by the way.

Pilkington is a wide man with no pace, that causes him to come back inside and then its too late, the banks of four or more are back.

I think our defensive options are fine, we've got a world class keeper, we have a base to build from.

I think we need to change the manager, he's. Done a great job of steadying the ship, well done but now we need to push on.

We need an experienced manager.

Those who want Bellamy are deluded, he will motivate for a few games but what happens when things don't go his way... Look at previous evidence... It'll be a car crash.

I like Watt, get someone with him with drive and energy, get rid of Jones. Start defending from the front and then counter attack with pace. Play Noone and Kennedy, take the shackles off them, tell them that when we break up play and win the ball they go at the opposition not wait for them rest of the team to catch up. Allow them to fail some times, they will but keep at it.

We need a central midfielder with pace and drive.

Mason is not good enough not clinical enough for a striker, not good enough to be a no 10. Send Ameobi back. Ralls is not getting us promoted, decent player but not good enough.

New striker, new central midfield, inject pace in to the team wherever we can.

However, with all that said Slade has done a stellar job from a business/cost point of view. We are a line on Mr Tan's spreadsheet that has improving business performance, that unfortunately is the position we are in. Falling revenues from the attendances may be the driver to change, but that'll be the main driver not league position.



I disagree with most of this, in a most respectful way

The last thing we need is an experienced manager,we have one of those now. We need an experienced administrator, we haven't had one of those since Tan fully took over. The league is littered with experienced managers and the job centre has even more. We need a difference maker, someone who doesn't follow convention. Its a gamble, but so is life.

Malky was relatively inexperienced , half a season with Watford. He had a model, a blueprint and it worked. It was a mish mash of other philosophies but he moulded us into a competitive team in season 1, backed by the owner in season 2 and delivered.

IMO Whitts and Jones are not lazy,they are just not great athletes, but this isn't athletics its football and Whitts in the 15 min cameo demonstrated far superior technical ability than the other 25 players could dream of. If you are going to play these players though you need a system that compensates for their lack of athletic ability. Jones is a great header of the ball, so we need crosses, the earlier the better, but we tossed around like a Swansea training session yesterday and he lost heart.

Joe ralls was our stand out player earlier in the season, could it be Slade played him incorrectly since the move inside, is he really a CM, did he have the right partner ?

Slade may have taken 12 million off the wage bill, but how many were first teamers ???? Daehli who didn't set the world alight, Guerra who played one game, Ravel Morrison who was on loan, an Austrian we saw twice, Le Fondre who is struggling at a bigger club.

Kennedy must have been training with Usain Bolt because he has got much faster than the little kid with old fashioned trickery I remember last season. What I remember was a player who reminded me of John Lewis and real 442 who didn't have real pace but had a step over and could drop a shoulder make the defender go the wrong way and whip a cross in.

We can't send send Ameobi back the same way Wolves can't send Alf back.

Gunnarson is on a long term contract, unless a premier league or top end championship team come in for him he is ours, as the player will only move for more money.

Re: ' Going Nowhere '

Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:26 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
Einstein wrote:Facts:

Cardiff are a club with Premier League infrastructure, fan base and stadium.

Russell Slade has slashed the wage bill by 12m plus and is achieving what we achieved last season. From a business point of view that is a stellar performance.

On paper we still have a squad capable of winning promotion.

Opinion:

Slade doesn't have the ability to make the next step, his signings have been poor and has failed to get our lazy players to fire... Whitts and Jones for example.

Slade makes some strange decisions, team selection, substitutions and players... Kennedy?

The team lacks drive and pace. We dropped Whitts... Has it made a difference to the points tally... I'm not suggesting he's the answer by the way.

Pilkington is a wide man with no pace, that causes him to come back inside and then its too late, the banks of four or more are back.

I think our defensive options are fine, we've got a world class keeper, we have a base to build from.

I think we need to change the manager, he's. Done a great job of steadying the ship, well done but now we need to push on.

We need an experienced manager.

Those who want Bellamy are deluded, he will motivate for a few games but what happens when things don't go his way... Look at previous evidence... It'll be a car crash.

I like Watt, get someone with him with drive and energy, get rid of Jones. Start defending from the front and then counter attack with pace. Play Noone and Kennedy, take the shackles off them, tell them that when we break up play and win the ball they go at the opposition not wait for them rest of the team to catch up. Allow them to fail some times, they will but keep at it.

We need a central midfielder with pace and drive.

Mason is not good enough not clinical enough for a striker, not good enough to be a no 10. Send Ameobi back. Ralls is not getting us promoted, decent player but not good enough.

New striker, new central midfield, inject pace in to the team wherever we can.

However, with all that said Slade has done a stellar job from a business/cost point of view. We are a line on Mr Tan's spreadsheet that has improving business performance, that unfortunately is the position we are in. Falling revenues from the attendances may be the driver to change, but that'll be the main driver not league position.



I disagree with most of this, in a most respectful way

The last thing we need is an experienced manager,we have one of those now. We need an experienced administrator, we haven't had one of those since Tan fully took over. The league is littered with experienced managers and the job centre has even more. We need a difference maker, someone who doesn't follow convention. Its a gamble, but so is life.

Malky was relatively inexperienced , half a season with Watford. He had a model, a blueprint and it worked. It was a mish mash of other philosophies but he moulded us into a competitive team in season 1, backed by the owner in season 2 and delivered.

IMO Whitts and Jones are not lazy,they are just not great athletes, but this isn't athletics its football and Whitts in the 15 min cameo demonstrated far superior technical ability than the other 25 players could dream of. If you are going to play these players though you need a system that compensates for their lack of athletic ability. Jones is a great header of the ball, so we need crosses, the earlier the better, but we tossed around like a Swansea training session yesterday and he lost heart.

Joe ralls was our stand out player earlier in the season, could it be Slade played him incorrectly since the move inside, is he really a CM, did he have the right partner ?

Slade may have taken 12 million off the wage bill, but how many were first teamers ???? Daehli who didn't set the world alight, Guerra who played one game, Ravel Morrison who was on loan, an Austrian we saw twice, Le Fondre who is struggling at a bigger club.

Kennedy must have been training with Usain Bolt because he has got much faster than the little kid with old fashioned trickery I remember last season. What I remember was a player who reminded me of John Lewis and real 442 who didn't have real pace but had a step over and could drop a shoulder make the defender go the wrong way and whip a cross in.

We can't send send Ameobi back the same way Wolves can't send Alf back.

Gunnarson is on a long term contract, unless a premier league or top end championship team come in for him he is ours, as the player will only move for more money.


Good point - I should've said an experienced manager prove this level or above who'll gain the respect of the players.

Jones is very lazy for a number 9, watch his effort to get in the box and on the end of crosses. He'll lay the ball off to a winger and then stroll in to the box, if I was the manager I'd show him a video of his effort during the game and tear him a new one! There's a reason an outstanding player like him is struggling in our division with us, lack of drive.

If you play Whitts deep to pull the strings, he's not a defensive midfielder, the rest of the midfield need to be super energetic. He was played further forward in one game at the beginning of the season and he was sooooooo slow.

I thought we could send Ameobi bac... he's light weight, looks unfit on times and is a little like Bambi on ice.

I'm not saying all the guys Slade moved on were setting the world alight, I think Guerra has done well since going back to Spain...

Anyway something has to change, the manager, the style and Tan's attitude toward us, not necessarily him. My view is be careful what you wish for when it comes to owners.

Re: ' Going Nowhere '

Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:59 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
Einstein wrote:Facts:

Cardiff are a club with Premier League infrastructure, fan base and stadium.

Russell Slade has slashed the wage bill by 12m plus and is achieving what we achieved last season. From a business point of view that is a stellar performance.

On paper we still have a squad capable of winning promotion.

Opinion:

Slade doesn't have the ability to make the next step, his signings have been poor and has failed to get our lazy players to fire... Whitts and Jones for example.

Slade makes some strange decisions, team selection, substitutions and players... Kennedy?

The team lacks drive and pace. We dropped Whitts... Has it made a difference to the points tally... I'm not suggesting he's the answer by the way.

Pilkington is a wide man with no pace, that causes him to come back inside and then its too late, the banks of four or more are back.

I think our defensive options are fine, we've got a world class keeper, we have a base to build from.

I think we need to change the manager, he's. Done a great job of steadying the ship, well done but now we need to push on.

We need an experienced manager.

Those who want Bellamy are deluded, he will motivate for a few games but what happens when things don't go his way... Look at previous evidence... It'll be a car crash.

I like Watt, get someone with him with drive and energy, get rid of Jones. Start defending from the front and then counter attack with pace. Play Noone and Kennedy, take the shackles off them, tell them that when we break up play and win the ball they go at the opposition not wait for them rest of the team to catch up. Allow them to fail some times, they will but keep at it.

We need a central midfielder with pace and drive.

Mason is not good enough not clinical enough for a striker, not good enough to be a no 10. Send Ameobi back. Ralls is not getting us promoted, decent player but not good enough.

New striker, new central midfield, inject pace in to the team wherever we can.

However, with all that said Slade has done a stellar job from a business/cost point of view. We are a line on Mr Tan's spreadsheet that has improving business performance, that unfortunately is the position we are in. Falling revenues from the attendances may be the driver to change, but that'll be the main driver not league position.



I disagree with most of this, in a most respectful way

The last thing we need is an experienced manager,we have one of those now. We need an experienced administrator, we haven't had one of those since Tan fully took over. The league is littered with experienced managers and the job centre has even more. We need a difference maker, someone who doesn't follow convention. Its a gamble, but so is life.

Malky was relatively inexperienced , half a season with Watford. He had a model, a blueprint and it worked. It was a mish mash of other philosophies but he moulded us into a competitive team in season 1, backed by the owner in season 2 and delivered.

IMO Whitts and Jones are not lazy,they are just not great athletes, but this isn't athletics its football and Whitts in the 15 min cameo demonstrated far superior technical ability than the other 25 players could dream of. If you are going to play these players though you need a system that compensates for their lack of athletic ability. Jones is a great header of the ball, so we need crosses, the earlier the better, but we tossed around like a Swansea training session yesterday and he lost heart.

Joe ralls was our stand out player earlier in the season, could it be Slade played him incorrectly since the move inside, is he really a CM, did he have the right partner ?

Slade may have taken 12 million off the wage bill, but how many were first teamers ???? Daehli who didn't set the world alight, Guerra who played one game, Ravel Morrison who was on loan, an Austrian we saw twice, Le Fondre who is struggling at a bigger club.

Kennedy must have been training with Usain Bolt because he has got much faster than the little kid with old fashioned trickery I remember last season. What I remember was a player who reminded me of John Lewis and real 442 who didn't have real pace but had a step over and could drop a shoulder make the defender go the wrong way and whip a cross in.

We can't send send Ameobi back the same way Wolves can't send Alf back.

Gunnarson is on a long term contract, unless a premier league or top end championship team come in for him he is ours, as the player will only move for more money.

Now, This ^^^^ is what I entirely agree with, very good post llan :thumbup: