' IS SLADE BEING OUTDONE BY ? '

" IS RUSSELL SLADE BEING OUTDONE BY? "

Is Russell Slade being tactically outdone by the opposition managers ?

Yesterday Carlos Carvalhal changed his system during the game and turned a likely defeat into a draw.

Two weeks ago Sean Dyche did exactly the same with Burnley.

Yes he is.

Is Russell Slade being tactically outdone by the opposition managers ?

Yesterday Carlos Carvalhal changed his system during the game and turned a likely defeat into a draw.

Two weeks ago Sean Dyche did exactly the same with Burnley.

Seems to happen alot so yes i think he is

[quote="Forever Blue"]Is Russell Slade being tactically outdone by the opposition managers ?

Yesterday Carlos Carvalhal changed his system during the game and turned a likely defeat into a draw.

Two weeks ago Sean Dyche did exactly the same with Burnley.[/quote

Think it's quite obvious, Brentford and Birmingham will change tactics.

RS is rigid and old fashioned, great in the lower Divisions, but here???????? B

no this is not rocket science, he isn't getting done by subtlety, this is him refusing to move away from his archaic beliefs. But at this higher level he can not bludgeon his way through

All he is doing wrong is ...Getting his Tactics mixed up with his Tictac's..Useless fat F**k, needs to go, I personally think its only 6th place to grab, top 5 pulling away & a few good teams around us to beat us to it
Positive is that Tom has made a difference up front

To be leading 2-0 at home in consecutive games and not win either then something is fundamentally wrong,whether this is opposition managers being clever I'm not so sure.I believe Slade doesn't know what to do from here making it easy for the opponents.

Does he even have the players fit enough in training must say something fitness wise to go 2 up then concede 2 in 2 games running

To be leading 2-0 at home in consecutive games and not win either then something is fundamentally wrong,whether this is opposition managers being clever I'm not so sure.I believe Slade doesn't know what to do from here making it easy for the opponents.

We won the first of the 2 games 3-2 so we did win one of them

Spades teams play only one half, because he is a halfwit!

To be leading 2-0 at home in consecutive games and not win either then something is fundamentally wrong,whether this is opposition managers being clever I'm not so sure.I believe Slade doesn't know what to do from here making it easy for the opponents.

We won the first of the 2 games 3-2 so we did win one of them

Really?

To be leading 2-0 at home in consecutive games and not win either then something is fundamentally wrong,whether this is opposition managers being clever I'm not so sure.I believe Slade doesn't know what to do from here making it easy for the opponents.

We won the first of the 2 games 3-2 so we did win one of them

No we didn't, 2-2 Burnley after leading 2-0

2-2 Sheffield Wed after leading 2-0, Plymuff is correct. Last two home games.

Read it again.

I do have a major concern that has not been mentioned to date. In order to counteract tactical changes it is very important to be very resiliant as a team both physically and mentally. I am not certain our physical conditioning is adequate enough to maintain control of a game and resist any increase in tempo produced by the opposition. I feel this has happened in both games against Burnley and Wednesday.

Considering Slade was so scathing of fitnes levels when he arrived, this is a major suprise and does not reflect well on the fitness coaches at the club. I am also concerned with the collective resilience of the team. Their does not appear to be enough leaders on the field. We need opposing teams to believe that this team is not going to capitulate, no matter what pressure is applied. Tough, successful teams always have that air of resolute defianc about them. I don't sense that with the current team, perhaps it will develop as results begin to turn in their favour.

In fairness to Slade and to present a balanced argument, the changes by both Dyche and Carvalho were inspired by their teams being very much second best to the City. On Saturday we had sufficient chances to extend out lead both before and immediately after half time, this would have stalled and extinguished any prospect of a come back.

Unfortunately, we did not extend our lead and once they had scored Slade's failure to tighten our midfield and reduce the space for their creative players to exploit, proved the source or failure to exploit a winning position.

I think the players are far more to blame than the manager. This has happened at City for years, the players should be experienced enough to close a game down and kill it off.Unfortunately they seem to shit themselves when they are ahead, no one seems to take control, and when the first one goes in we all know what's coming. The players need to man the f**k up and take responsibility and use their heads. They stopped doing the basics again yesterday and panicked AGAIN. The rest as they say.....................

some of them did look tired on the last 15 minutes.

I do have a major concern that has not been mentioned to date. In order to counteract tactical changes it is very important to be very resiliant as a team both physically and mentally. I am not certain our physical conditioning is adequate enough to maintain control of a game and resist any increase in tempo produced by the opposition. I feel this has happened in both games against Burnley and Wednesday.

Considering Slade was so scathing of fitnes levels when he arrived, this is a major suprise and does not reflect well on the fitness coaches at the club. I am also concerned with the collective resilience of the team. Their does not appear to be enough leaders on the field. We need opposing teams to believe that this team is not going to capitulate, no matter what pressure is applied. Tough, successful teams always have that air of resolute defianc about them. I don't sense that with the current team, perhaps it will develop as results begin to turn in their favour.

In fairness to Slade and to present a balanced argument, the changes by both Dyche and Carvalho were inspired by their teams being very much second best to the City. On Saturday we had sufficient chances to extend out lead both before and immediately after half time, this would have stalled and extinguished any prospect of a come back.

Unfortunately, we did not extend our lead and once they had scored Slade's failure to tighten our midfield and reduce the space for their creative players to exploit, proved the source or failure to exploit a winning position.

I can't remember us surrendering too many leads under Malky in the championship. Now i can remember some great ones under DJ and the similarities are 442 applied rather romantically. Defensively Noone, Pilkington and the two strikers are pointless, in years bygone years it would have been Burke & Whitts and the two strikers. Compare that to Malky, Conway & Cowie with Whitts added into the middle as a deep lying player in place of the second striker.

If you own the ball you don't run as much. We didn't own the ball in the second half our wingers went hiding and the middle was the usual 3 vs 2 with their quick short passes it was only a matter of time. Gunnar and Ralls are probably our best athletes and they were shagged because they were chasing shadows.

442 with flouncy wingers will get us nowhere, it may be entertaining but we need to start measuring the games on a clapometer for entertainment rather than goals scored.

Jones looks like he is on the downgrade physically though, he can barely walk after 60 mins

It's funny how 2 teams playing away from home and are 2-0 down with 15 mins left manage to not be too tired to mount a come back. I know he says there was a fitness problem when he took over, but it does look as though our players are losing concentration due to tiredness at the end of matches.

I think the players are far more to blame than the manager. This has happened at City for years, the players should be experienced enough to close a game down and kill it off.Unfortunately they seem to shit themselves when they are ahead, no one seems to take control, and when the first one goes in we all know what's coming. The players need to man the f**k up and take responsibility and use their heads. They stopped doing the basics again yesterday and panicked AGAIN. The rest as they say.....................

Ah,probably the most astute observation ever made by a fellow forumite.It seems to be a cultural thing at this club which has gone on far longer than the tenure of this manager. This goes back years as I can remember saying the same thing about Lenny Lawrence's sides and DJ's sides. I'm not sure whose to blame but it was going on long before Slade took the reigns. Go 1-0 or 2-0 up take your foot off the gas,defend deeper and concede goals.You would think some posters should know better.



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It's funny how 2 teams playing away from home and are 2-0 down with 15 mins left manage to not be too tired to mount a come back. I know he says there was a fitness problem when he took over, but it does look as though our players are losing concentration due to tiredness at the end of matches.

We wasn't tired when we won away last week in the last 10 mins

I do have a major concern that has not been mentioned to date. In order to counteract tactical changes it is very important to be very resiliant as a team both physically and mentally. I am not certain our physical conditioning is adequate enough to maintain control of a game and resist any increase in tempo produced by the opposition. I feel this has happened in both games against Burnley and Wednesday.

Considering Slade was so scathing of fitnes levels when he arrived, this is a major suprise and does not reflect well on the fitness coaches at the club. I am also concerned with the collective resilience of the team. Their does not appear to be enough leaders on the field. We need opposing teams to believe that this team is not going to capitulate, no matter what pressure is applied. Tough, successful teams always have that air of resolute defianc about them. I don't sense that with the current team, perhaps it will develop as results begin to turn in their favour.

In fairness to Slade and to present a balanced argument, the changes by both Dyche and Carvalho were inspired by their teams being very much second best to the City. On Saturday we had sufficient chances to extend out lead both before and immediately after half time, this would have stalled and extinguished any prospect of a come back.

Unfortunately, we did not extend our lead and once they had scored Slade's failure to tighten our midfield and reduce the space for their creative players to exploit, proved the source or failure to exploit a winning position.

I can't remember us surrendering too many leads under Malky in the championship. Now i can remember some great ones under DJ and the similarities are 442 applied rather romantically. Defensively Noone, Pilkington and the two strikers are pointless, in years bygone years it would have been Burke & Whitts and the two strikers. Compare that to Malky, Conway & Cowie with Whitts added into the middle as a deep lying player in place of the second striker.

If you own the ball you don't run as much. We didn't own the ball in the second half our wingers went hiding and the middle was the usual 3 vs 2 with their quick short passes it was only a matter of time. Gunnar and Ralls are probably our best athletes and they were shagged because they were chasing shadows.

442 with flouncy wingers will get us nowhere, it may be entertaining but we need to start measuring the games on a clapometer for entertainment rather than goals scored.

Jones looks like he is on the downgrade physically though, he can barely walk after 60 mins

Peterborough away never forget that one.

What about the QPR game when we were 2-0 down and pulled back to 2-2? Sometimes it happens for no apparent reason and people are overthinking it on here just to have a go at Slade. The Burnley result was particularly unlucky, but over the course of the season these things even themselves out. It is NOT the time to change the manager.

I do have a major concern that has not been mentioned to date. In order to counteract tactical changes it is very important to be very resiliant as a team both physically and mentally. I am not certain our physical conditioning is adequate enough to maintain control of a game and resist any increase in tempo produced by the opposition. I feel this has happened in both games against Burnley and Wednesday.

Considering Slade was so scathing of fitnes levels when he arrived, this is a major suprise and does not reflect well on the fitness coaches at the club. I am also concerned with the collective resilience of the team. Their does not appear to be enough leaders on the field. We need opposing teams to believe that this team is not going to capitulate, no matter what pressure is applied. Tough, successful teams always have that air of resolute defianc about them. I don't sense that with the current team, perhaps it will develop as results begin to turn in their favour.

In fairness to Slade and to present a balanced argument, the changes by both Dyche and Carvalho were inspired by their teams being very much second best to the City. On Saturday we had sufficient chances to extend out lead both before and immediately after half time, this would have stalled and extinguished any prospect of a come back.

Unfortunately, we did not extend our lead and once they had scored Slade's failure to tighten our midfield and reduce the space for their creative players to exploit, proved the source or failure to exploit a winning position.

I can't remember us surrendering too many leads under Malky in the championship. Now i can remember some great ones under DJ and the similarities are 442 applied rather romantically. Defensively Noone, Pilkington and the two strikers are pointless, in years bygone years it would have been Burke & Whitts and the two strikers. Compare that to Malky, Conway & Cowie with Whitts added into the middle as a deep lying player in place of the second striker.

If you own the ball you don't run as much. We didn't own the ball in the second half our wingers went hiding and the middle was the usual 3 vs 2 with their quick short passes it was only a matter of time. Gunnar and Ralls are probably our best athletes and they were shagged because they were chasing shadows.

442 with flouncy wingers will get us nowhere, it may be entertaining but we need to start measuring the games on a clapometer for entertainment rather than goals scored.

Jones looks like he is on the downgrade physically though, he can barely walk after 60 mins

Peterborough away never forget that one.

To be fair and balanced we were dicked there under Malky as well

If Slade was getting out done tactically then we wouldn't have gone 2 up in the first place.

I do have a major concern that has not been mentioned to date. In order to counteract tactical changes it is very important to be very resiliant as a team both physically and mentally. I am not certain our physical conditioning is adequate enough to maintain control of a game and resist any increase in tempo produced by the opposition. I feel this has happened in both games against Burnley and Wednesday.

Considering Slade was so scathing of fitnes levels when he arrived, this is a major suprise and does not reflect well on the fitness coaches at the club. I am also concerned with the collective resilience of the team. Their does not appear to be enough leaders on the field. We need opposing teams to believe that this team is not going to capitulate, no matter what pressure is applied. Tough, successful teams always have that air of resolute defianc about them. I don't sense that with the current team, perhaps it will develop as results begin to turn in their favour.

In fairness to Slade and to present a balanced argument, the changes by both Dyche and Carvalho were inspired by their teams being very much second best to the City. On Saturday we had sufficient chances to extend out lead both before and immediately after half time, this would have stalled and extinguished any prospect of a come back.

Unfortunately, we did not extend our lead and once they had scored Slade's failure to tighten our midfield and reduce the space for their creative players to exploit, proved the source or failure to exploit a winning position.

I can't remember us surrendering too many leads under Malky in the championship. Now i can remember some great ones under DJ and the similarities are 442 applied rather romantically. Defensively Noone, Pilkington and the two strikers are pointless, in years bygone years it would have been Burke & Whitts and the two strikers. Compare that to Malky, Conway & Cowie with Whitts added into the middle as a deep lying player in place of the second striker.

If you own the ball you don't run as much. We didn't own the ball in the second half our wingers went hiding and the middle was the usual 3 vs 2 with their quick short passes it was only a matter of time. Gunnar and Ralls are probably our best athletes and they were shagged because they were chasing shadows.

442 with flouncy wingers will get us nowhere, it may be entertaining but we need to start measuring the games on a clapometer for entertainment rather than goals scored.

Jones looks like he is on the downgrade physically though, he can barely walk after 60 mins

Peterborough away never forget that one.

To be fair and balanced we were dicked there under Malky as well

But to be 4 nil up to come away with a 4-4 draw ffs.

I think he is (regularly) and it's costing us dearly!

I worked it out that we could be top 2 with the (genuine) points thrown away this season, but I guess other teams will say the same!

" IS RUSSELL SLADE BEING OUTDONE BY? "

Is Russell Slade being tactically outdone by the opposition managers ?

Yesterday Carlos Carvalhal changed his system during the game and turned a likely defeat into a draw.

Two weeks ago Sean Dyche did exactly the same with Burnley.

The most disappointing thing for me is that this seasons championship is not great and that with a squad like ours and a decent manager / tactics, I believe we could have been in the top two or three. So yes, tactically Slade is outdone very regularly.

Morrison is the problem guys. He does NOT PUSH up leaving us always backbpeddling. He is as stubborn as Slade. They both have to get the hell out!!

Midfield was clearly the problem. Completely dominated in the final quarter and both their goals scored by midfielders. Slade never changes tactics to adapt to other teams.

You can tell its Christmas, a couple of new multi's,I mean turkeys on here.

Clive Mallard
Is it only now you guys are noticing he sets his team to play a certain way with no real change to how we play when substitutions are made and teams are now exploiting this, just like when Jones not in the mood and we are playing with 10 men and he does nothing.