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Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:43 pm
' CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT '
Still struggling to come to terms with drawing today after leading 2-0 at half time.
The first half Sheffield Wednesday looked a very ordinary team and City were not in full flow but deservedly led at half time.
Against Burnley two weeks ago, we were under pressure at 2-0 and could sense that the unlikely would happen and it did but this afternoon I thought we were dominant, in control and couldn't see Wednesday mounting a comeback.
My criticism today is that after earning the lead several City players stopped doing the basics and in particular we stopped closing down, we allowed Wednesday players to have time on the ball, we went through a spell in the second half of losing 50/50 challenges.
Fortunately for us most results went our way and we are just one point outside the play offs.
Attacking wise we are showing a lot more promise than we were just several weeks ago but the defensive part of our game has got worse which was our strong point.
Points are won and lost on tight margins and like a few occasions this season we haven't handled in play changes by the opposition and it happened again today. We are not reacting to tactical changes of systems and this will prove costly unless we can overcome it.
City need consistency now and a win against Brentford at home on Tuesday is must.
Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:55 pm
Fortunately for us most results went our way and we are just one point outside the play offs. Agree
Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:00 pm
We can't tactically adapt to other teams that's the problem.
Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:10 pm
Just need to hammer brentford now
Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:25 pm
Carvahal highlight wednesdays fitness. Find that interesting!
Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:29 pm
at 2-1 up today should have put manga on played 5 at back to see the game out when will slade learn
Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:36 pm
carlccfc wrote:' CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT '
Still struggling to come to terms with drawing today after leading 2-0 at half time.
The first half Sheffield Wednesday looked a very ordinary team and City were not in full flow but deservedly led at half time.
Against Burnley two weeks ago, we were under pressure at 2-0 and could sense that the unlikely would happen and it did but this afternoon I thought we were dominant, in control and couldn't see Wednesday mounting a comeback.
My criticism today is that after earning the lead several City players stopped doing the basics and in particular we stopped closing down, we allowed Wednesday players to have time on the ball, we went through a spell in the second half of losing 50/50 challenges.
Fortunately for us most results went our way and we are just one point outside the play offs.
Attacking wise we are showing a lot more promise than we were just several weeks ago but the defensive part of our game has got worse which was our strong point.
Points are won and lost on tight margins and like a few occasions this season we haven't handled in play changes by the opposition and it happened again today. We are not reacting to tactical changes of systems and this will prove costly unless we can overcome it.
City need consistency now and a win against Brentford at home on Tuesday is must.
This is only my opinion carl but I wednesday where better side in the first fifteen minutes but we did catch them on the break a few times
Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:39 pm
carlccfc wrote:' CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT '
Still struggling to come to terms with drawing today after leading 2-0 at half time.
The first half Sheffield Wednesday looked a very ordinary team and City were not in full flow but deservedly led at half time.
Against Burnley two weeks ago, we were under pressure at 2-0 and could sense that the unlikely would happen and it did but this afternoon I thought we were dominant, in control and couldn't see Wednesday mounting a comeback.
My criticism today is that after earning the lead several City players stopped doing the basics and in particular we stopped closing down, we allowed Wednesday players to have time on the ball, we went through a spell in the second half of losing 50/50 challenges.
Fortunately for us most results went our way and we are just one point outside the play offs.
Attacking wise we are showing a lot more promise than we were just several weeks ago but the defensive part of our game has got worse which was our strong point.
Points are won and lost on tight margins and like a few occasions this season we haven't handled in play changes by the opposition and it happened again today. We are not reacting to tactical changes of systems and this will prove costly unless we can overcome it.
City need consistency now and a win against Brentford at home on Tuesday is must.
Carl,
You say that we stopped closing down but that's not the way we play - we never pressure the man with the ball, rather we lay off the opposition constantly until they either make a mistake with a touch or a pass or we simply have to make a tackle.
Their first goal today was an example of this. It was a great strike without a doubt but the player was obviously within shooting distance and there were none of our players anywhere near him to close him down or block the shot.
Even in extra time when we should have been trying to win the game Wednesday were passing the ball around with no attempt by our players to win it back, and that's the style of play we've been used to for some time now, even before Slade in fairness to him.
Frustrating in the extreme.
Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:40 pm
I'm convinced we are t fit enough some stats person knows how many points have we dropped in last ten minutes of games.we had obvious weakness down left side defensively and I still think Connely makes to many errors during games
Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:00 pm
Wednesday out played us in second half with there close passing in and around the middle of the pitch .we played well at times but we didn't close them down Wednesday always had lots of room to play in
Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:19 pm
Its simple to me, but its about football philosophy. Barca & Bayern aren't the fittest team but because they own the ball and tempo they finish stronger.
We just kicked the ball anywhere, we rarely passed to each other. I can barely remember Gunnar and Ralls connecting. We are getting carved open through the middle too often where is the cover. The amount of times gunnar was upfield miles from Joe was strange. What happened to Slades "pairings". Gunnar was chasing shadows.
Jones doesn't do enough and the wings barely cross the ball. I just don't see what we are trying to do.
Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:41 am
llan bluebird wrote:Its simple to me, but its about football philosophy. Barca & Bayern aren't the fittest team but because they own the ball and tempo they finish stronger.
We just kicked the ball anywhere, we rarely passed to each other. I can barely remember Gunnar and Ralls connecting. We are getting carved open through the middle too often where is the cover. The amount of times gunnar was upfield miles from Joe was strange. What happened to Slades "pairings". Gunnar was chasing shadows.
Jones doesn't do enough and the wings barely cross the ball. I just don't see what we are trying to do.
I have always been in agreement with you on our wingers that rarely cross the ball. That's not my interpretation of 442 tactics at all. If you have 2 strikers, you need to get that ball in the box
Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:01 am
We needed to pack out the midfield...so slade has to take blame for not changing tactics......
Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:47 am
Totally agree with the last post. Slade never alters his tactics in response to what's happening. Both goals came from their midfield, which means that Ralls and Gunnars were responsible. However, they were completely dominated in the last twenty minutes and bringing on Ameobi and Fabio made no difference at all, as Wallace, Bannan and Forestieri were controlling. Slade should've brought on Whitts to keep possession and calm things. We just couldn't keep the ball.
Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:05 pm
Manga, Fabio, Turner and Whittingham, 4 of the best players in the Championship none of them playing . Forget this 442 obsession , find a system that accommodates your best players and make it work and when its not working change it. Thats what the top managers do.
Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:17 pm
Well he is not a top manager, but this is about beliefs.
Malky didn't believe in wingers except to throw them on if you were losing. We wore teams down and our x factor were our array of set plays. I used to think we'd score 1 out of 4 right sided corners. But, Malky's beliefs were viciously exposed in the premier league where you need to have the ball for at least 46% of the game.
How do you change your beliefs ? You need to think of a theory, trial it, examine the results, make adjustments, and implement. No way that happens.
If you can't change the people then change the people
Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:20 pm
1) Team don't believe in him enough to give 100% the entire game
2) He can't adapt to tactics during the game
3) He is one dimensional and teams are easily able to expose Cardiff City once they work the style/tactics out
Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:53 pm
Rydogsccfc wrote:We can't tactically adapt to other teams that's the problem.
Slade doesn't want to or know how to change tactics. He needs to go if Tan wants promotion.
Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:57 pm
buckleys brewery wrote:Rydogsccfc wrote:We can't tactically adapt to other teams that's the problem.
Slade doesn't want to or know how to change tactics. He needs to go if Tan wants promotion.

By his own admission Slade does not place importance on tactics.
He's on record as saying his job is 80% man mangement, 20% tactics.
That may have been ok in an era where all teams played the same formation but that's an outdated view in the modern game.
Even Sir Alex who's strength was his man management had to adapt with the times.
Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:28 pm
polo wrote:buckleys brewery wrote:Rydogsccfc wrote:We can't tactically adapt to other teams that's the problem.
Slade doesn't want to or know how to change tactics. He needs to go if Tan wants promotion.

By his own admission Slade does not place importance on tactics.
He's on record as saying his job is 80% man mangement, 20% tactics.
That may have been ok in an era where all teams played the same formation but that's an outdated view in the modern game.
Even Sir Alex who's strength was his man management had to adapt with the times.
As long as RS is in charge we will continue to see these results
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