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Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:10 pm

1) Passion and never say die attitude
2) Played for the club
3) Good understanding of the game - tactically aware
4) Hair
5) Known quantity who is respected in the football world for his work rate and dedication
6) Won't be a pushover - will get the respect of the dressing room
7) Good links in the footballing world due to his time as a player - transfer market
8) A Welshman who will take pride in managing the club

Also, before someone says Slade has more experience, that's irrelevant. Pep Guardiola had no experience before taking over at Barcelona and was able to manage world class players with big egos. He rose to the challenge, as have many other managers with no or little coaching experience, and its my belief that Bellamy would as well. Much like Neville, he has throughout his career been an arduous student of the game. He has studied it meticulously to a level many other players didn't. This is exactly the type of person we need moving forward.

Its a risk worth taking to be honest. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:11 pm

Apart from EXPERIENCE.

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:15 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Apart from EXPERIENCE.


There are numerous managers without experience who've gone into the game and have done well. There's plenty of managers with a CV full of experience, like Moyes, who've flopped the moment they went elsewhere. It is less to do with experience and more to do with whether or not you're the right fit with the club, at the right time and willing to commit and buy into it 100%. I'd rather Bellamy build his experience with us like Ferguson did at United and give him time, as he's a young manager, than stick with Slade, who hasn't got a clue.

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:18 pm

balkanblue wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Apart from EXPERIENCE.


There are numerous managers without experience who've gone into the game and have done well. There's plenty of managers with a CV full of experience, like Moyes, who've flopped the moment they went elsewhere. It is less to do with experience and more to do with whether or not you're the right fit with the club, at the right time and willing to commit and buy into it 100%. I'd rather Bellamy build his experience with us like Ferguson did at United and give him time, as he's a young manager, than stick with Slade, who hasn't got a clue.


Ferguson managed Aberdeen to the title as well as Scotland before United. To say he had no experience before United is a lie. I would like to see Bellamy cut his teeth elsewhere then have a crack at the City.

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:22 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Ferguson managed Aberdeen to the title as well as Scotland before United. To say he had no experience before United is a lie. I would like to see Bellamy cut his teeth elsewhere then have a crack at the City.


I didn't say he had no experience, and I knew he managed at Aberdeen, but he spent years and years at United before winning anything. He was still learning at United and he also got incredibly lucky as he was close to facing the axe. The difference is Ferguson had the required raw attributes to become a great and they stuck by him. United became his family and that became an unbreakable thing. We must do the same with Bellamy and create a them and us culture.

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:22 pm

Hair is a successful feature is it? :lol:

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:36 pm

balkanblue wrote:1) Passion and never say die attitude
2) Played for the club
3) Good understanding of the game - tactically aware
4) Hair
5) Known quantity who is respected in the football world for his work rate and dedication
6) Won't be a pushover - will get the respect of the dressing room
7) Good links in the footballing world due to his time as a player - transfer market
8) A Welshman who will take pride in managing the club

Also, before someone says Slade has more experience, that's irrelevant. Pep Guardiola had no experience before taking over at Barcelona and was able to manage world class players with big egos. He rose to the challenge, as have many other managers with no or little coaching experience, and its my belief that Bellamy would as well. Much like Neville, he has throughout his career been an arduous student of the game. He has studied it meticulously to a level many other players didn't. This is exactly the type of person we need moving forward.

Its a risk worth taking to be honest. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Having more experience is irrelevant? :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :oops: :oops:

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:38 pm

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Having more experience is irrelevant? :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :oops: :oops:

What experience did Pep Guardiola have before taking the job at Barcelona and delivering trophy after trophy? None.

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:40 pm

balkanblue wrote:1) Passion and never say die attitude
2) Played for the club
3) Good understanding of the game - tactically aware
4) Hair
5) Known quantity who is respected in the football world for his work rate and dedication
6) Won't be a pushover - will get the respect of the dressing room
7) Good links in the footballing world due to his time as a player - transfer market
8) A Welshman who will take pride in managing the club

Also, before someone says Slade has more experience, that's irrelevant. Pep Guardiola had no experience before taking over at Barcelona and was able to manage world class players with big egos. He rose to the challenge, as have many other managers with no or little coaching experience, and its my belief that Bellamy would as well. Much like Neville, he has throughout his career been an arduous student of the game. He has studied it meticulously to a level many other players didn't. This is exactly the type of person we need

Its a risk worth taking to be honest. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


You are an inglorious fraud! Earlier this evening you were wittering on about how you would never replace Bellamy with Slade. You constantly express yourself in outdated cliches and soundbites!

This obsession with passion and grit is hilarious, you should attend more games and read about the game less, it's a sport of action not just observation. What is passion? What is grit?

Passion I presume is the ability to emote enthusiasm, a spirit of desire to succeed, a belonging to an entity that will never reflect the financial reward for doing so. Get real! Most professionals are passionate about what they do, they are amply rewarded from a young age for doing something they love and are good at. By grit, I presume you mean tenacity, most professional who have had a great career after joining a club as a teenager, succeeding against a lot of odds, after overcoming serious, career threatening injuries will have expressed tenacity.

You fail to mention vision, the capacity to envisage the style of play and personnel that brings success. You fail to mention the ability to articulate that vision to staff, players and supporters so that they fully engage with your plans and expectations. You fail to mention the capacity to recruit and motivate palyers and staff that fit into your vision of what represents a successful football team. You fail to mention the ability to have the tactical acumen to counteract well organised and skilful opponents and obviously the luck required to succeed sometimes in such a competitive sport.

Grow up, buy a ticket and support! Stop trying to be such a smartarse, you are not as clever as you think you are! This not about your ego, it's about supporting the club you were born to support!

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:54 pm

Plynlymonbluebird wrote:You are an inglorious fraud! Earlier this evening you were wittering on about how you would never replace Bellamy with Slade. You constantly express yourself in outdated cliches and soundbites!

I actually watched a link Polo posted and it was very refreshing to see Bellamy talk in such an articulate manner. Thats one of the perks of an open mind, it can change. I understand thats a bit difficult for dinosaurs set in their ways, much like Slade.

This obsession with passion and grit is hilarious, you should attend more games and read about the game less, it's a sport of action not just observation. What is passion? What is grit?

Are you Russell Slade? He doesn't know either. Passion and grit are what took us up under Malky. A lack of passion and grit is what took us down under Solskjaer.

Passion I presume is the ability to emote enthusiasm, a spirit of desire to succeed, a belonging to an entity that will never reflect the financial reward for doing so. Get real! Most professionals are passionate about what they do, they are amply rewarded from a young age for doing something they love and are good at. By grit, I presume you mean tenacity, most professional who have had a great career after joining a club as a teenager, succeeding against a lot of odds, after overcoming serious, career threatening injuries will have expressed tenacity.

You fail to mention vision, the capacity to envisage the style of play and personnel that brings success. You fail to mention the ability to articulate that vision to staff, players and supporters so that they fully engage with your plans and expectations. You fail to mention the capacity to recruit and motivate palyers and staff that fit into your vision of what represents a successful football team. You fail to mention the ability to have the tactical acumen to counteract well organised and skilful opponents and obviously the luck required to succeed sometimes in such a competitive sport.


Slade has none of those attributes whatsoever. He has done a fantastic job at steadying the ship, I'll give him that, and if Tans plan is to keep us drifting in mid table Championship obscurity then he should stick with him. If he has bigger plans then he needs to get in someone else.

Also, to suggest most professionals are passionate about what they do is ridiculous, and shows how out of touch you are with the modern football world. A lot of players in this day and age see it as something they're good at and they get paid very well for. They've lost all of their enthusiasm but see it as a career to continue on with. That doesn't mean they're enthralled to be a footballer. Its actually very rare for the fire to keep burning and for the boyhood footballer within with a hunger for the game to continue on in later years - many pros have even commented on this being in a factor in why players like Messi and Ronaldo are so good - because they've not lost that boyhood enthusiasm for the game.

Im sorry but this isn't 1970-80 anymore where players wore their badge on their hearts and wanted to be the local hero idolised and adored. This is the 21st century with money the main focus. Thats what took Ibrahimovic to PSG, Sterling to Man City and numerous players to the MLS. I think you really need to get a reality check to be honest as you seem just as out of touch with the game as Slade.

Grow up, buy a ticket and support! Stop trying to be such a smart arse, you are not as clever as you think you are! This not about your ego, it's about supporting the club you were born to support!


1. I don't live in the UK
2. Even if I did I wouldn't go whilst Tan is the owner out of principle - last game Brighton aka scarf gate
3. What I do is none of your business - I can still give my opinion online - if you don't like it, lump it
4. The only person who needs to grow up is you - as you have a narrow mind

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:01 am

balkanblue wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Having more experience is irrelevant? :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :oops: :oops:

What experience did Pep Guardiola have before taking the job at Barcelona and delivering trophy after trophy? None.


He was coaching at Barcelona and became manager of the B team. He was immersed in the culture of the club. the same cannot be said for Bellamy.

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:04 am

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
balkanblue wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Having more experience is irrelevant? :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :oops: :oops:

What experience did Pep Guardiola have before taking the job at Barcelona and delivering trophy after trophy? None.


He was coaching at Barcelona and became manager of the B team. He was immersed in the culture of the club. the same cannot be said for Bellamy.

Fair point. What if Bellamy was given a more junior role before taking over full time then?

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:08 am

balkanblue wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
balkanblue wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Having more experience is irrelevant? :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :oops: :oops:

What experience did Pep Guardiola have before taking the job at Barcelona and delivering trophy after trophy? None.


He was coaching at Barcelona and became manager of the B team. He was immersed in the culture of the club. the same cannot be said for Bellamy.

Fair point. What if Bellamy was given a more junior role before taking over full time then?


I would be happy with that, would like him to become an assistant here or manage at another club before taking the plunge himself.

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:50 am

This threads gone off track we are not Barcelona, we are not even a Premier League club.

What's wrong with him cutting his teeth in the Championship?

He is a student of the game, he's meticulous, demands high standards, and he's a winner. I think he has the ingredients to become a top coach.

Slade has 20 years experience and I know which one of prefer.

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:49 pm

polo wrote:This threads gone off track we are not Barcelona, we are not even a Premier League club.

What's wrong with him cutting his teeth in the Championship?

He is a student of the game, he's meticulous, demands high standards, and he's a winner. I think he has the ingredients to become a top coach.

Slade has 20 years experience and I know which one of prefer.


Spot on :thumbup:

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:24 pm

If we can't get into the play offs with 8 games to go and in no danger of going down i'd give Bellamy the job. As long as those 8 games were pressure free and with the understanding that results don't matter, just to give him a feel for the role. I wouldn't hire him now or at the start of next season, too much of a risk.

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:07 pm

balkanblue wrote:1) Passion and never say die attitude
2) Played for the club
3) Good understanding of the game - tactically aware
4) Hair
5) Known quantity who is respected in the football world for his work rate and dedication
6) Won't be a pushover - will get the respect of the dressing room
7) Good links in the footballing world due to his time as a player - transfer market
8) A Welshman who will take pride in managing the club

(9) HAIR
:bluescarf: :bluebird:

Also, before someone says Slade has more experience, that's irrelevant. Pep Guardiola had no experience before taking over at Barcelona and was able to manage world class players with big egos. He rose to the challenge, as have many other managers with no or little coaching experience, and its my belief that Bellamy would as well. Much like Neville, he has throughout his career been an arduous student of the game. He has studied it meticulously to a level many other players didn't. This is exactly the type of person we need moving forward.

Its a risk worth taking to be honest. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:52 am

Does slade not have the respect of the dressing room?

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:39 pm

balkanblue wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Ferguson managed Aberdeen to the title as well as Scotland before United. To say he had no experience before United is a lie. I would like to see Bellamy cut his teeth elsewhere then have a crack at the City.


I didn't say he had no experience, and I knew he managed at Aberdeen, but he spent years and years at United before winning anything. He was still learning at United and he also got incredibly lucky as he was close to facing the axe. The difference is Ferguson had the required raw attributes to become a great and they stuck by him. United became his family and that became an unbreakable thing. We must do the same with Bellamy and create a them and us culture.


He won the cup the season he was going to be sacked if he didn't win that so he won quickly the rest is then history

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:41 pm

polo wrote:This threads gone off track we are not Barcelona, we are not even a Premier League club.

What's wrong with him cutting his teeth in the Championship?

He is a student of the game, he's meticulous, demands high standards, and he's a winner. I think he has the ingredients to become a top coach.

Slade has 20 years experience and I know which one of prefer.


I dork disagree with this however how long would it take for our fans to jump on him if we were bottom half after 10 games flirting with relegation

All well and good saying in this league he could build up his knowledge and learn with us our fans wouldn't give him that time as we expect miracles in minutes

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:32 pm

smakerzthebluebird wrote:
polo wrote:This threads gone off track we are not Barcelona, we are not even a Premier League club.

What's wrong with him cutting his teeth in the Championship?

He is a student of the game, he's meticulous, demands high standards, and he's a winner. I think he has the ingredients to become a top coach.

Slade has 20 years experience and I know which one of prefer.


I dork disagree with this however how long would it take for our fans to jump on him if we were bottom half after 10 games flirting with relegation

All well and good saying in this league he could build up his knowledge and learn with us our fans wouldn't give him that time as we expect miracles in minutes


You may be right Smacko but not in my case. I have no burning desire to get back to the Premier League so id back Bellamy with a 5 year plan to change this club from top to bottom. Build a style of play, a philosophy and implement this onto the first team, the development and the academy.

I do realise that not many would be in that boat and that kind of time is not afforded to managers these days.

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:38 pm

polo wrote:
smakerzthebluebird wrote:
polo wrote:This threads gone off track we are not Barcelona, we are not even a Premier League club.

What's wrong with him cutting his teeth in the Championship?

He is a student of the game, he's meticulous, demands high standards, and he's a winner. I think he has the ingredients to become a top coach.

Slade has 20 years experience and I know which one of prefer.


I dork disagree with this however how long would it take for our fans to jump on him if we were bottom half after 10 games flirting with relegation

All well and good saying in this league he could build up his knowledge and learn with us our fans wouldn't give him that time as we expect miracles in minutes


You may be right Smacko but not in my case. I have no burning desire to get back to the Premier League so id back Bellamy with a 5 year plan to change this club from top to bottom. Build a style of play, a philosophy and implement this onto the first team, the development and the academy.

I do realise that not many would be in that boat and that kind of time is not afforded to managers these days.

Let's get this right, you would give someone with zero managerial experience a five year deal :shock:

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:46 pm

It made me laugh polo. :sladein: for now

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:00 pm

ACE OF CLUBS wrote:
polo wrote:
smakerzthebluebird wrote:
polo wrote:This threads gone off track we are not Barcelona, we are not even a Premier League club.

What's wrong with him cutting his teeth in the Championship?

He is a student of the game, he's meticulous, demands high standards, and he's a winner. I think he has the ingredients to become a top coach.

Slade has 20 years experience and I know which one of prefer.


I dork disagree with this however how long would it take for our fans to jump on him if we were bottom half after 10 games flirting with relegation

All well and good saying in this league he could build up his knowledge and learn with us our fans wouldn't give him that time as we expect miracles in minutes


You may be right Smacko but not in my case. I have no burning desire to get back to the Premier League so id back Bellamy with a 5 year plan to change this club from top to bottom. Build a style of play, a philosophy and implement this onto the first team, the development and the academy.

I do realise that not many would be in that boat and that kind of time is not afforded to managers these days.

Let's get this right, you would give someone with zero managerial experience a five year deal :shock:


id give him a 12 month rolling contract with the mutual understanding its a 5 year plan.

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:09 pm

It's ok to say your wrong on a 5 year deal :lol:
12 month sounds better I agree, if it ever happens :thumbup:

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:14 pm

ACE OF CLUBS wrote:It's ok to say your wrong on a 5 year deal :lol:
12 month sounds better I agree, if it ever happens :thumbup:


I didnt say id give him a 5 year deal. :?

I said id accept having patience and giving him the job to change the philosophy and culture at the club, of which id put a 5 year timescale on it.

Obviously thats if the plan is going in the right direction but if not then obviously we cant commit financially to a 5 year contract.

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:17 pm

HaHa, sorry to interrupt but major u-turn and backtrack from Polo again, within the space of minutes Polo you've gone from a 5 year deal to a 12 month rolling contract. Thank god your not in charge of finances at Cardiff City, you would have given Slade a 10 year contract :lol: :lol:

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:24 pm

looks like a multi is ganging up on you polo :lol:

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:41 pm

European Blue wrote:HaHa, sorry to interrupt but major u-turn and backtrack from Polo again, within the space of minutes Polo you've gone from a 5 year deal to a 12 month rolling contract. Thank god your not in charge of finances at Cardiff City, you would have given Slade a 10 year contract :lol: :lol:


id give you the contract to furnish my office with your finest wooden furntiture :thumbup:

Re: Bellamy has everything Slade doesn't

Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:04 pm

Sorry polo I'm far to busy, if it's wood your after then mallo's your man