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' BREAKING NEWS/THEY ARE OUT '

Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:42 pm

:shock:

BREAKING: Man Utd are OUT of the Champions League. Even David Moyes managed to get to the knockout stages!

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Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:43 pm

Get Pep in.

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Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:47 pm

:shock: :shock:

Big shock, what must their fans be thinking now?

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Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:48 pm

And a load more injuries to join the list. Get pep in then go buy Neymar, I wouldn't be surprised to see a big name in the summer, Ron, Bale, Neymar. Gotta be one of the three

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Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:03 pm

All over the country there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Not in Manchester mind cos they can't get tickets!

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Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:00 pm

Bet there's a few sky remotes being thrown across the room tonight, poor manu fans.

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Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:09 pm

Their plan was Giggs to take over from Van Gaal in the summer of 2017.

Maybe that will change now.

LVG has been a huge failure there.

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Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:36 pm

They need someone who lives and breathes football.

The time of the tactician with statistics and data is out.

Rodgers is struggling (sacked).
Moyes is struggling (sacked).
Mourinho is struggling.
Pellegrini is struggling.
Swansea are struggling (their tactics have been nullified).

Passion and high work rates are winning games.

Leicester are cruising by giving 110% every game.
Liverpool are doing well with high pressing under Klopp.
Palace have become a tough team to beat and have been galvanised.
Players like Vardy and Harry Kane are thriving off it.

Its something Atletico Madrid and Bilbao have done in La Liga for a long time to win games. Its also a tactic Chile used to nullify Spain in the World Cup and beat them 2-0.

Football is moving into another era whereby teams realise they can outwork, outrun and harass these teams that are tactically set up. They can make life awkward for them and not give them time on the ball to dictate the flow of the game. If they cant play out or create then their attack and tactical setup is nullified.

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Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:54 pm

balkanblue wrote:They need someone who lives and breathes football.

The time of the tactician with statistics and data is out.

Rodgers is struggling (sacked).
Moyes is struggling (sacked).
Mourinho is struggling.
Pellegrini is struggling.
Swansea are struggling (their tactics have been nullified).

Passion and high work rates are winning games.

Leicester are cruising by giving 110% every game.
Liverpool are doing well with high pressing under Klopp.
Palace have become a tough team to beat and have been galvanised.
Players like Vardy and Harry Kane are thriving off it.

Its something Atletico Madrid and Bilbao have done in La Liga for a long time to win games. Its also a tactic Chile used to nullify Spain in the World Cup and beat them 2-0.

Football is moving into another era whereby teams realise they can outwork, outrun and harass these teams that are tactically set up. They can make life awkward for them and not give them time on the ball to dictate the flow of the game. If they cant play out or create then their attack and tactical setup is nullified.


Total bullshit! You do realise that the manager of Leicester is Ranieri! The manager of Liverpool is Klop!

Barcelona and Bayern under Guardiola have never played a high tempo, quick pressing game? His tactical knowledge is just based on passion and high work rate? You are boardering on the ridiculous!

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Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:58 pm

Plynlymonbluebird wrote:Total bullshit! You do realise that the manager of Leicester is Ranieri! The manager of Liverpool is Klop!

Barcelona and Bayern under Guardiola have never played a high tempo, quick pressing game? His tactical knowledge is just based on passion and high work rate? You are boardering on the ridiculous!


Leicester are playing with a high work rate.
Liverpool's Klopp have some of the highest distance covered stats in the league.

Nobody said Barcelona under Guardiola played a high pressing game. Read things properly before making emotionally reactive posts. The only person bordering on the ridiculous here is you. Instead of pestering me online with your inane dribble, put the booze away and go to bed.

I didn't even mention Barcelona in that post so I think its fair to say you've lost the plot. :laughing5: :laughing5:

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:03 am

http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/23/jurgen-kl ... w-5519808/

High work rate

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... rpool.html

Passion

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... nning.html

Distance covered statistics.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... d-Cup.html

Spain are out-harried, out-muscled and out-played by a tenacious Chile side, as Tiki-Taka fails to make an impact in Brazil

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... son-bilbao

Ferguson was effusive in his praise of Bilbao and in particular their coach Marcelo Bielsa, who has put together a team who are not only playing free-flowing football but also have a wonderful work ethic. "I think that they could do very well [in the Europa League]," said Ferguson. "What we have seen tonight and last Thursday is a team whose work rate is higher than anyone I have seen in Europe, and that takes you a long way.

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All comments backing up my points.

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:08 am

balkanblue wrote:
Plynlymonbluebird wrote:Total bullshit! You do realise that the manager of Leicester is Ranieri! The manager of Liverpool is Klop!

Barcelona and Bayern under Guardiola have never played a high tempo, quick pressing game? His tactical knowledge is just based on passion and high work rate? You are boardering on the ridiculous!


Leicester are playing with a high work rate.
Liverpool's Klopp have some of the highest distance covered stats in the league.

Nobody said Barcelona under Guardiola played a high pressing game. Read things properly before making emotionally reactive posts. The only person bordering on the ridiculous here is you. Instead of pestering me online with your inane dribble, put the booze away and go to bed.

I didn't even mention Barcelona in that post so I think its fair to say you've lost the plot. :laughing5: :laughing5:


You stated quite categorically that the days of the tactician were numbered! Passion and work rate you indicated were enough, you used Leicester and Liverpool to vindicate your inane point of view. Enlighten me please, do you think that Ranieri and Kolp are weak amateurs tactically, who engender in their teams a simple belief in passion and hard work?

Did you watch Liverpool beat Manchester City without a traditional centre forward? Have you not observed Leicester's prevalence for rapid counter attack based on the pace and flexibility of their front three and the ability of Vardy and Mahrez to attack directly and put defenders on the back foot?

Did you not watch the triangulation of Bournemouth's midfield paly at Stamford Bridge to negate the influence Matic in protecting the central defenders of Chelsea against the pace and movement of King and Sanislaus?

You're a fraud, watched and palyed more football than you have had internet dates!

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:10 am

balkanblue wrote:http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/23/jurgen-klopps-pressing-tactics-key-to-liverpools-emphatic-victory-at-manchester-city-stats-show-5519808/

High work rate

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... rpool.html

Passion

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... nning.html

Distance covered statistics.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... d-Cup.html

Spain are out-harried, out-muscled and out-played by a tenacious Chile side, as Tiki-Taka fails to make an impact in Brazil

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... son-bilbao

Ferguson was effusive in his praise of Bilbao and in particular their coach Marcelo Bielsa, who has put together a team who are not only playing free-flowing football but also have a wonderful work ethic. "I think that they could do very well [in the Europa League]," said Ferguson. "What we have seen tonight and last Thursday is a team whose work rate is higher than anyone I have seen in Europe, and that takes you a long way.

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All comments backing up my points.


As I pointed out you read too much and don't watch intently enough! All written by knowledgable ex-professionals

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:13 am

Plynlymonbluebird wrote:You stated quite categorically that the days of the tactician were numbered! Passion and work rate you indicated were enough, you used Leicester and Liverpool to vindicate your inane point of view. Enlighten me please, do you think that Ranieri and Kolp are weak amateurs tactically, who engender in their teams a simple belief in passion and hard work?

Did you watch Liverpool beat Manchester City without a traditional centre forward? Have you not observed Leicester's prevelnce for rapid counter attack based on the pace and flexibility of their front three and the ability of Vardy and Mahrez to attack directly and put defenders on the back foot?

Did you not watch the triangulation of Bournemouth's midfield paly at Stamford Bridge to negate the influence Matic in protecting the central defenders of Chelsea against the pace and movement of King and Sanislaus?


No I didn't. I said the days of tacticians that rely on stats and data are numbered. This is true. Rodgers is struggling. Also, nowhere did I suggest that Klopp's Liverpool or Ranieri's Leicester didn't involve tactics. All football involves a degree of tactical nous. That is another presumption you made which I can only ascertain comes from your lack of thought before you post nonsense.

Again, you've just read what you wanted, selective reading, and like others come to your own conclusions based on what you want to hear. As for the trivial insults they're rather pathetic, at least put more thought into them than you do for the rest of your posts.

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:14 am

Also, another point that proves you read selectively is you mentioned Guardiola, when I hadn't even mentioned him. You are delusional to the point that you even conjure up things in your own imagination and project them onto others to make out that they said them. It just further goes to prove that you don't actually decipher a point before responding.

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:15 am

balkanblue wrote:They need someone who lives and breathes football.

The time of the tactician with statistics and data is out.

Rodgers is struggling (sacked).
Moyes is struggling (sacked).
Mourinho is struggling.
Pellegrini is struggling.
Swansea are struggling (their tactics have been nullified).

Passion and high work rates are winning games.

Leicester are cruising by giving 110% every game.
Liverpool are doing well with high pressing under Klopp.
Palace have become a tough team to beat and have been galvanised.
Players like Vardy and Harry Kane are thriving off it.

Its something Atletico Madrid and Bilbao have done in La Liga for a long time to win games. Its also a tactic Chile used to nullify Spain in the World Cup and beat them 2-0.

Football is moving into another era whereby teams realise they can outwork, outrun and harass these teams that are tactically set up. They can make life awkward for them and not give them time on the ball to dictate the flow of the game. If they cant play out or create then their attack and tactical setup is nullified.


Read your last paragraph, all you need to do is outrun, harass and outwork! What did I misinterpret?

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:21 am

Plynlymonbluebird wrote:Read your last paragraph, all you need to do is outrun, harass and outwork! What did I misinterpret?


I'm well aware. Like I said, selective reading. If you had actually read the entire post and analysed it as a whole, rather than one sentence to suit your argument, then you wouldn't have had that problem would you.

The fact you even said, 'read your last paragraph', just further backs up my claim that you selectively read. Nice cherry picking there pal.

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:25 am

balkanblue wrote:
Plynlymonbluebird wrote:Read your last paragraph, all you need to do is outrun, harass and outwork! What did I misinterpret?


I'm well aware. Like I said, selective reading. If you had actually read the entire post and analysed it as a whole, rather than one sentence to suit your argument, then you wouldn't have had that problem would you.

The fact you even said, 'read your last paragraph', just further backs up my claim that you selectively read. Nice cherry picking there pal.


Let me ask you a question, you obviously have a superiority complex, but fail to read your own posts. Do you really believe that Ranieri, Klopp and Howe did not consult statistics and data before formula,ting tactical pans to beat Swansea, Manchester City and Chelsea?

You're reply is so eagerly awaited!

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:33 am

Plynlymonbluebird wrote:
Let me ask you a question, you obviously have a superiority complex, but fail to read your own posts. Do you really believe that Ranieri, Klopp and Howe did not consult statistics and data before formula,ting tactical pans to beat Swansea, Manchester City and Chelsea?

You're reply is so eagerly awaited!

Of course, but they're not solely relying on them. They are using high work rates to put the opposition under pressure.

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:38 am

balkanblue wrote:
Plynlymonbluebird wrote:
Let me ask you a question, you obviously have a superiority complex, but fail to read your own posts. Do you really believe that Ranieri, Klopp and Howe did not consult statistics and data before formula,ting tactical pans to beat Swansea, Manchester City and Chelsea?

You're reply is so eagerly awaited!

Of course, but they're not solely relying on them. They are using high work rates to put the opposition under pressure.


You are ridiculous! So the best mangers are tactically aware, use data and statistics but also engender a high work rate and high levels of fitness In their teams and a desire to lay collectively to bring success! Who would have guessed it?

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:44 am

Plynlymonbluebird wrote:
balkanblue wrote:
Plynlymonbluebird wrote:
Let me ask you a question, you obviously have a superiority complex, but fail to read your own posts. Do you really believe that Ranieri, Klopp and Howe did not consult statistics and data before formula,ting tactical pans to beat Swansea, Manchester City and Chelsea?

You're reply is so eagerly awaited!

Of course, but they're not solely relying on them. They are using high work rates to put the opposition under pressure.


You are ridiculous! So the best mangers are tactically aware, use data and statistics but also engender a high work rate and high levels of fitness In their teams and a desire to lay collectively to bring success! Who would have guessed it?


That wasn't the point I was making. I was saying Man United need someone who is more than just a tactician. They need someone like Klopp, not someone like Moyes or LVG who do not focus on high pressing games and making the opposition work.

Goodnight.

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:49 am

balkanblue wrote:
Plynlymonbluebird wrote:
balkanblue wrote:
Plynlymonbluebird wrote:
Let me ask you a question, you obviously have a superiority complex, but fail to read your own posts. Do you really believe that Ranieri, Klopp and Howe did not consult statistics and data before formula,ting tactical pans to beat Swansea, Manchester City and Chelsea?

You're reply is so eagerly awaited!

Of course, but they're not solely relying on them. They are using high work rates to put the opposition under pressure.


You are ridiculous! So the best mangers are tactically aware, use data and statistics but also engender a high work rate and high levels of fitness In their teams and a desire to lay collectively to bring success! Who would have guessed it?


That wasn't the point I was making. I was saying Man United need someone who is more than just a tactician. They need someone like Klopp, not someone like Moyes or LVG who do not focus on high pressing games and making the opposition work.

Goodnight.


You were talking in cliches as per usual, you really believe that LVG does not have passion or desire? Manchester United are simply a team in transition, we will see where they finish at the end of the season in the Premier League.

But I'd advise, go and watch some live football in a stadium not just on your laptop.

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:21 am

Plynlymonbluebird wrote:You were talking in cliches as per usual, you really believe that LVG does not have passion or desire? Manchester United are simply a team in transition, we will see where they finish at the end of the season in the Premier League.

Maybe within, but is it enough to get a response in the team? Not really. Given his stats aren't that much better than Moyes', who was sacked, I'd be inclined to say no. He may well turn things around at United but I very much doubt it.

But I'd advise, go and watch some live football in a stadium not just on your laptop.


I'd advise you to stop being a presumptuous clown. I've probably seen a wider variety of games than yourself. I was a season ticket holder for years, I've watched games across Europe including Galatasaray vs Fenerbahce and other derbies and I'm also a frequent watcher of football here. If you honestly think I don't watch football at the ground then it only goes to show how deluded you are.

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:32 am

balkanblue wrote:
Plynlymonbluebird wrote:You were talking in cliches as per usual, you really believe that LVG does not have passion or desire? Manchester United are simply a team in transition, we will see where they finish at the end of the season in the Premier League.

Maybe within, but is it enough to get a response in the team? Not really. Given his stats aren't that much better than Moyes', who was sacked, I'd be inclined to say no. He may well turn things around at United but I very much doubt it.

But I'd advise, go and watch some live football in a stadium not just on your laptop.


I'd advise you to stop being a presumptuous clown. I've probably seen a wider variety of games than yourself. I was a season ticket holder for years, I've watched games across Europe including Galatasaray vs Fenerbahce and other derbies and I'm also a frequent watcher of football here. If you honestly think I don't watch football at the ground then it only goes to show how deluded you are.


You also scouted in Serie A did you not?

You have form!

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:09 am

Well done on revealing you're a dupe account.

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:45 pm

Thought this thread was about,Dolly Pardons tits,what a disappointment . :(