' Without Peter Whittingham '

Without Peter Whittingham the past 2 seasons, the stats are as follows:

Played 5
Won 5
Scored 13

Some would say Peter Whittingham is a Cardiff City legend from all the seasons of service he's given us, giving us some incredible goals and performances. But the stats these past 2 seasons tells the story.

Opposing teams with more pace, power and energy get the better of us with an aging Whittingham in the centre. As soon as I read the team sheet today seeing Whittingham was dropped, I was more positive we would win today.

Whittingham's fans would comment on his set piece delivery, but Ralls and Pilkington's set piece deliveries are more than good enough. We also overly rely on Whittingham's set pieces when he's playing, because when Whittingham's on the pitch, we lack the pace and dynamism to open up the opposition during open play. We have scored 13 goals in the last 5 league games without Whittingham in the team.

With Slade's 4-4-2 system, Whittingham will always be struggling now. He can't go box to box, he can't track runners, he isn't physical enough to win aerial duos or tackles and his aging legs can't manoeuvre him into the dangerous positions he was once able to take up to score the great goals he was once able to.

Whittingham has been a great servant and I will forever thank him for all the great memories he has given us. But if Slade sticks to his 4-4-2 system, Whittingham should continue to be nothing more than a squad player from now onwards.

Without Peter Whittingham the past 2 seasons, the stats are as follows:

Played 5
Won 5
Scored 13

Some would say Peter Whittingham is a Cardiff City legend from all the seasons of service he's given us, giving us some incredible goals and performances. But the stats these past 2 seasons tells the story.

Opposing teams with more pace, power and energy get the better of us with an aging Whittingham in the centre. As soon as I read the team sheet today seeing Whittingham was dropped, I was more positive we would win today.

Whittingham's fans would comment on his set piece delivery, but Ralls and Pilkington's set piece deliveries are more than good enough. We also overly rely on Whittingham's set pieces when he's playing, because when Whittingham's on the pitch, we lack the pace and dynamism to open up the opposition during open play. We have scored 13 goals in the last 5 league games without Whittingham in the team.

With Slade's 4-4-2 system, Whittingham will always be struggling now. He can't go box to box, he can't track runners, he isn't physical enough to win aerial duos or tackles and his aging legs can't manoeuvre him into the dangerous positions he was once able to take up to score the great goals he was once able to.

Whittingham has been a great servant and I will forever thank him for all the great memories he has given us. But if Slade sticks to his 4-4-2 system, Whittingham should continue to be nothing more than a squad player from now onwards.

Absolutely spot on post! The guy has been a liability this season, totally lacks the mental fortitude required to control a game from the centre of midfield. His booking against Burnley was so predictable, a palyer with more energy, desire and past runs past him in midfield and he slides in forlornly from behind.

I have been saying the same for the last 3 years. To update your stats, starting for the time Malky dropped, 'Dick,' Whittingham in our promotion season, we are undefeated in the 12 games he has missed.

StT.

The stats are alarming for Whitts now, even Slade seems to of cottoned on to it

I have been saying the same for the last 3 years. To update your stats, starting for the time Malky dropped, 'Dick,' Whittingham in our promotion season, we are undefeated in the 12 games he has missed.

StT.

That's a great stat Steve. Quite a few games towards the end of our promotion season when Whittingham was dropped were draws, but there is no doubt Malky did the right thing dropping Whittingham and switching to a Gunnarsson/Mutch centre midfield pairing to get us over the line.

Slade did say he he wishes he had the Whitts of 3 years ago Sladee has realized he is not the answer in midfield anymore thankfully.

Without Peter Whittingham the past 2 seasons, the stats are as follows:

Played 5
Won 5
Scored 13

Some would say Peter Whittingham is a Cardiff City legend from all the seasons of service he's given us, giving us some incredible goals and performances. But the stats these past 2 seasons tells the story.

Opposing teams with more pace, power and energy get the better of us with an aging Whittingham in the centre. As soon as I read the team sheet today seeing Whittingham was dropped, I was more positive we would win today.

Whittingham's fans would comment on his set piece delivery, but Ralls and Pilkington's set piece deliveries are more than good enough. We also overly rely on Whittingham's set pieces when he's playing, because when Whittingham's on the pitch, we lack the pace and dynamism to open up the opposition during open play. We have scored 13 goals in the last 5 league games without Whittingham in the team.

With Slade's 4-4-2 system, Whittingham will always be struggling now. He can't go box to box, he can't track runners, he isn't physical enough to win aerial duos or tackles and his aging legs can't manoeuvre him into the dangerous positions he was once able to take up to score the great goals he was once able to.

Whittingham has been a great servant and I will forever thank him for all the great memories he has given us. But if Slade sticks to his 4-4-2 system, Whittingham should continue to be nothing more than a squad player from now onwards.

He's a Cardiff City legend. No ifs, no buts.

Simple really - Just don't play him for the rest of the season and we should piss the league.

Stats are great here is one for you....When we broke our record for being undefeated home, guess who played every game.

Our whole promotion game plan was built around Whitts ability to control the pace of the game. He is a bright lad and knew the pressure the club were under to deliver that season and it weighed him down for that final third. The opposition knew the game plan was "stop Whitts, stop Cardiff", by then we had a massive lead.

I agree in Slades 442 he shouldn't start. But a 442 with two wingers we'll get over run in midfield again and better teams will see us off.....

Never ceases to amaze me Cardiff fans ability to always throw club legends under the bus.

Never ceases to amaze me Cardiff fans ability to always throw club legends under the bus.

The OP even seems to argue that he's not a legend, incredible!

Never ceases to amaze me Cardiff fans ability to always throw club legends under the bus.

The OP even seems to argue that he's not a legend, incredible!

If you pair think my honest, fair post backed up with facts is "throwing a club legend under a bus", I dread to think what you'll say when someone properly slates one of our players.

Never ceases to amaze me Cardiff fans ability to always throw club legends under the bus.

The OP even seems to argue that he's not a legend, incredible!

The OP has form in crazy statements to be fair.

Moore, Caulker (captain), Mitch and Campbell were the spine of the English national team.
Revell was going to be our Heidet Helguson this season.
Malky Mackay could manage Man U.

Take what he says with a pinch of salt. Mental health issues.

Top post and spot on

And no one is throwing a club legend under a bus but facts are facts

Whitts is a City legend, end off but based on the above comment what should we do, play him untill he is 50 as not to offend or criticise what was 'ONCE' the backbone of the team

Never ceases to amaze me Cardiff fans ability to always throw club legends under the bus.

The OP even seems to argue that he's not a legend, incredible!

If you pair think my honest, fair post backed up with facts is "throwing a club legend under a bus", I dread to think what you'll say when someone properly slates one of our players.

Castle blue up a stat up the other day of Cardiff with and without Whitts in Whitts whole Cardiff career (not the 5 games in 2 seasons he's missed ) and the FACTS are well in Whitts favour.

You keep supporting the likes of Slade and Revell over a proper club legend though you halfwit

Of those 5 games only Reading were top half. The rest were relegation fodder.

Let's see how we do against the likes of Derby, Boro, Hull.etc and then we will get a true reflection

Club legend and to say otherwise is a joke.

Doesnt currently deserve a place on the pitch though

Club legend and to say otherwise is a joke.

Doesnt currently deserve a place on the pitch though

He's all time top 10 for both goals and appearances he's as close to a club legend as you can possibly get these days

Never ceases to amaze me Cardiff fans ability to always throw club legends under the bus.

The OP even seems to argue that he's not a legend, incredible!

The OP has form in crazy statements to be fair.

Moore, Caulker (captain), Mitch and Campbell were the spine of the English national team.
Revell was going to be our Heidet Helguson this season.
Malky Mackay could manage Man U.

Take what he says with a pinch of salt. Mental health issues.

I didn't say some of those things you're accusing me of. If you're going to throw unreasonable insults at me within a few days of coming back on this forum, I will now simply put you on ignore.

Mental health issues? Coming from someone who said Aaron Ramsey will never make it and has a history of gambling and drug issues, you're a fine one to talk.

I don't post on this forum to speak to people like you. You can reply to me and slag me off all you like, but you won't get a response, as I won't see it.

Never ceases to amaze me Cardiff fans ability to always throw club legends under the bus.

The OP even seems to argue that he's not a legend, incredible!

The OP has form in crazy statements to be fair.

Moore, Caulker (captain), Mitch and Campbell were the spine of the English national team.
Revell was going to be our Heidet Helguson this season.
Malky Mackay could manage Man U.

Take what he says with a pinch of salt. Mental health issues.

I didn't say some of those things you're accusing me of. If you're going to throw unreasonable insults at me within a few days of coming back on this forum, I will now simply put you on ignore.

Mental health issues? Coming from someone who said Aaron Ramsey will never make it and has a history of gambling and drug issues, you're a fine one to talk.

I don't post on this forum to speak to people like you. You can reply to me and slag me off all you like, but you won't get a response, as I won't see it.

You said every single one of those things across aamb and ccmb.

I didn't say Ramsey wouldn't make it I said he wasn't world class. Which i stand by.

Here's a stat for you Tonteg. Ralls has played 2 more games than Whitts this season and has one less assist than him and one less goal.

I know you love a stat.

5 games in two seasons he's missed. He obviously needed a break in some of them and we chose to break him against weak opposition because he's still an integral part of the squad.

In a time when this club seems incredibly distant to what it was even 5 years ago players like Whittingham should be cherished not derided.

Here's a stat for you Tonteg. Ralls has played 2 more games than Whitts this season and has one less assist than him and one less goal.

I know you love a stat.

You should point out that Whittingham's only goal this season cam from the penalty spot. He hasn't scored from open paly since October last season. I believe this is symptomatic of his inability to get into forward positions from midfield. He doesn't have faith in his athletic abilities to advance then recover position quickly enough.

As illustrated by the second Burnley goal, his defensive frailties can be costly. He tends to close down space not the player with the ball and is very vulnerable to players running at him exposing his lack of pace.

Currently we have stronger players in the squad to cover the positions of centre and left sided midfield player in Slade 's preferred 4-4-2.

I thought the opening post was a fair and valid observation of Whittingham's current contribution to the team. It feels like people are replying to the poster not the actual content of the post.

Here's a stat for you Tonteg. Ralls has played 2 more games than Whitts this season and has one less assist than him and one less goal.

I know you love a stat.

You should point out that Whittingham's only goal this season cam from the penalty spot. He hasn't scored from open paly since October last season. I believe this is symptomatic of his inability to get into forward positions from midfield. He doesn't have faith in his athletic abilities to advance then recover position quickly enough.

As illustrated by the second Burnley goal, his defensive frailties can be costly. He tends to close down space not the player with the ball and is very vulnerable to players running at him exposing his lack of pace.

Currently we have stronger players in the squad to cover the positions of centre and left sided midfield player in Slade 's preferred 4-4-2.


I thought the opening post was a fair and valid observation of Whittingham's current contribution to the team. It feels like people are replying to the poster not the actual content of the post.

The stat that I've giving is correct no matter which way you look at it. Tonteg came up with a stat to make Whitts look shit, I've pulled one out to say otherwise, point being you can twist stats to suit yourself.

Here's a stat for you Tonteg. Ralls has played 2 more games than Whitts this season and has one less assist than him and one less goal.

I know you love a stat.

You should point out that Whittingham's only goal this season cam from the penalty spot. He hasn't scored from open paly since October last season. I believe this is symptomatic of his inability to get into forward positions from midfield. He doesn't have faith in his athletic abilities to advance then recover position quickly enough.

As illustrated by the second Burnley goal, his defensive frailties can be costly. He tends to close down space not the player with the ball and is very vulnerable to players running at him exposing his lack of pace.

Currently we have stronger players in the squad to cover the positions of centre and left sided midfield player in Slade 's preferred 4-4-2.


I thought the opening post was a fair and valid observation of Whittingham's current contribution to the team. It feels like people are replying to the poster not the actual content of the post.

The stat that I've giving is correct no matter which way you look at it. Tonteg came up with a stat to make Whitts look shit, I've pulled one out to say otherwise, point being you can twist stats to suit yourself.

Can't compare as Ralls has only played a few games in the middle. Whitts will always be a legend but you choose to ignore our form without him over the past 3 seasons which is quite astonishing.

Here's a stat for you Tonteg. Ralls has played 2 more games than Whitts this season and has one less assist than him and one less goal.

I know you love a stat.

You should point out that Whittingham's only goal this season cam from the penalty spot. He hasn't scored from open paly since October last season. I believe this is symptomatic of his inability to get into forward positions from midfield. He doesn't have faith in his athletic abilities to advance then recover position quickly enough.

As illustrated by the second Burnley goal, his defensive frailties can be costly. He tends to close down space not the player with the ball and is very vulnerable to players running at him exposing his lack of pace.

Currently we have stronger players in the squad to cover the positions of centre and left sided midfield player in Slade 's preferred 4-4-2.


I thought the opening post was a fair and valid observation of Whittingham's current contribution to the team. It feels like people are replying to the poster not the actual content of the post.

The stat that I've giving is correct no matter which way you look at it. Tonteg came up with a stat to make Whitts look shit, I've pulled one out to say otherwise, point being you can twist stats to suit yourself.

Can't compare as Ralls has only played a few games in the middle. Whitts will always be a legend but you choose to ignore our form without him over the past 3 seasons which is quite astonishing.

You're missing the point also, I'm not choosing to ignore anything at all as you put it. I've just made the point that you can twist stats to suit any argument.

Here's a stat for you Tonteg. Ralls has played 2 more games than Whitts this season and has one less assist than him and one less goal.

I know you love a stat.

I do love a stat.

I don't think it's a surprise Whittingham will have more assists and goals than Ralls at this stage of the season as until now, Whittingham has taken all the corners, free kicks and penalties.

But Ralls has shown this season he can take very good corners and free kicks himself. Ralls' free kick to set up Kenwyne's header last Saturday was perfect. I think Ralls could rack up many more assists if given the opportunity. We will see what Ralls can do now Whittingham is out of the team.

Wow... 5 corners and we never scored.

Would have won by a lot more if Whitts was playing !

Here's a stat for you Tonteg. Ralls has played 2 more games than Whitts this season and has one less assist than him and one less goal.

I know you love a stat.

You should point out that Whittingham's only goal this season cam from the penalty spot. He hasn't scored from open paly since October last season. I believe this is symptomatic of his inability to get into forward positions from midfield. He doesn't have faith in his athletic abilities to advance then recover position quickly enough.

As illustrated by the second Burnley goal, his defensive frailties can be costly. He tends to close down space not the player with the ball and is very vulnerable to players running at him exposing his lack of pace.

Currently we have stronger players in the squad to cover the positions of centre and left sided midfield player in Slade 's preferred 4-4-2.


I thought the opening post was a fair and valid observation of Whittingham's current contribution to the team. It feels like people are replying to the poster not the actual content of the post.

The stat that I've giving is correct no matter which way you look at it. Tonteg came up with a stat to make Whitts look shit, I've pulled one out to say otherwise, point being you can twist stats to suit yourself.

Can't compare as Ralls has only played a few games in the middle. Whitts will always be a legend but you choose to ignore our form without him over the past 3 seasons which is quite astonishing.

You're missing the point also,I'm not choosing to ignore anything at all as you put it. I've just made the point that you can twist stats to suit any argument.

That's very true, but as bluelover says, you can't ignore our form over the past 3 seasons without Whittingham.

We've noticeably performed better without Whittingham in the team the past 3 seasons and regarding our results without Whittingham, those are stats which can't really be twisted.

It will now be interesting to see if our form continues to improve without Whittingham in the team for a lengthy period.

Here's a stat for you Tonteg. Ralls has played 2 more games than Whitts this season and has one less assist than him and one less goal.

I know you love a stat.

You should point out that Whittingham's only goal this season cam from the penalty spot. He hasn't scored from open paly since October last season. I believe this is symptomatic of his inability to get into forward positions from midfield. He doesn't have faith in his athletic abilities to advance then recover position quickly enough.

As illustrated by the second Burnley goal, his defensive frailties can be costly. He tends to close down space not the player with the ball and is very vulnerable to players running at him exposing his lack of pace.

Currently we have stronger players in the squad to cover the positions of centre and left sided midfield player in Slade 's preferred 4-4-2.


I thought the opening post was a fair and valid observation of Whittingham's current contribution to the team. It feels like people are replying to the poster not the actual content of the post.

The stat that I've giving is correct no matter which way you look at it. Tonteg came up with a stat to make Whitts look shit, I've pulled one out to say otherwise, point being you can twist stats to suit yourself.

Can't compare as Ralls has only played a few games in the middle. Whitts will always be a legend but you choose to ignore our form without him over the past 3 seasons which is quite astonishing.

Well 3 seasons ago was the prem so the stats were shit either way.

I'm last 2 seasons he's missed 5 games, mainly against relegation fodder so it's hardly a fair comparison.

Once he's out of the team for a long period only then can we truly judge

Here's a stat for you Tonteg. Ralls has played 2 more games than Whitts this season and has one less assist than him and one less goal.

I know you love a stat.

I do love a stat.

I don't think it's a surprise Whittingham will have more assists and goals than Ralls at this stage of the season as until now, Whittingham has taken all the corners, free kicks and penalties.

But Ralls has shown this season he can take very good corners and free kicks himself. Ralls' free kick to set up Kenwyne's header last Saturday was perfect. I think Ralls could rack up many more assists if given the opportunity. We will see what Ralls can do now Whittingham is out of the team.

It's over to Joe Ralls now, who for the record is also a fantastic player. We are very lucky to have two very good players in that position in him and Whitts.

It's just people are quick to forget how good Whitts really is. Ralls has the shirt now and I hope he takes his chance with more wins follow.