" How poor is the standard this year? "

In the Championship?

If Cardiff City and Derby win tomorrow, while Birmingham fail to win then at worst Cardiff City will only be out of the play-offs on goal difference.

This is a Cardiff City side who have won just three out of our last 12 games - picking up 14 points out of the 36 available in this time.

It really shows up the low standard this year, if you take out Brighton, Middlesbrough, Hull and Derby. Even those clubs are inconsistent compared to previous years.

If any club can go on a good run then they have a decent chance of the play-offs.

Tbh it's always been poor the gap between the champ and the Prem is getting bigger.

Agree the championship is a poor league and that's what's so frustrating from us is we could romp it with only a handful of decent players

Is it poor or are the bigger teams starting to get better players from premier ect ect , and causing gap between haves and haves nots?

Is it poor or are the bigger teams starting to get better players from premier ect ect , and causing gap between haves and haves nots?

I agree with Allan

The better teams like Boro, Derby, and Hull are so much better than the large majority of the rest. Brighton are doing well to hang in there and Burnley are also a level above most of the sides, certainly more consistent and have a good squad.
After that the last play off place is anyone's.

Its certainly not a poorer division than the one we won in 2012/13 and I don't agree the gap is getting bigger between premier league and championship not in terms of the promoted teams anyway.

Leicester promoted 2 seasons ago sit top of the PL, and all 3 promoted teams last year are holding their own this year from Watford in 11th to Bournemouth in 18th and 2 points from safety.

We probably think the standard is worse because of the mundane crap we are served up by Captain Underdog.

Any team reasonabley run who has just been relegated should be near the top of the table due to their extra cash flow and players they would have had in prem either sold for a profit or kept to add quality.

Shows how ridiculously poorly we did last year as players were sold for pittance (Campbell) or replaced by panic substandard buys macheda, adeyemi Morrison etc.

People criticise slade and for some things rightly but ole must rank as one of the most useless managers in the history of the club as he was given a large budget and instead of buying 2/3 quality players that would improve the team bought about 12 who of the top if my head only one manga has improved it.

Plus the people above ole who presided over the spending and shambles have a huge amount to answer for to.

Is it poor or are the bigger teams starting to get better players from premier ect ect , and causing gap between haves and haves nots?

I agree with Allan

The better teams like Boro, Derby, and Hull are so much better than the large majority of the rest. Brighton are doing well to hang in there and Burnley are also a level above most of the sides, certainly more consistent and have a good squad.
After that the last play off place is anyone's.

Its certainly not a poorer division than the one we won in 2012/13 and I don't agree the gap is getting bigger between premier league and championship not in terms of the promoted teams anyway.

Leicester promoted 2 seasons ago sit top of the PL, and all 3 promoted teams last year are holding their own this year from Watford in 11th to Bournemouth in 18th and 2 points from safety.

We probably think the standard is worse because of the mundane crap we are served up by Captain Underdog.

I don't think Boro, derby & Hull are any better. They may have squads filled with more expensive players but as a team they are not much different when they play. Only Hull looked better (on the day) against us.
Our tactics sometimes give the initiative to the opposition, which we have been fortunate to survive at times.
Players with Premier League experience are not necessarily Premier League standard.
I think the championship contains many average teams with a few poor teams at the bottom.

In the Championship?

If Cardiff City and Derby win tomorrow, while Birmingham fail to win then at worst Cardiff City will only be out of the play-offs on goal difference.

This is a Cardiff City side who have won just three out of our last 12 games - picking up 14 points out of the 36 available in this time.

It really shows up the low standard this year, if you take out Brighton, Middlesbrough, Hull and Derby. Even those clubs are inconsistent compared to previous years.

If any club can go on a good run then they have a decent chance of the play-offs.

It's quite amusing that at the beginning of every season, we are all on here saying how much more difficult it will be to get promoted, as the teams that have got relegated are so much better, the teams promoted are coming up with such confidence, then half way through the season, realisation dawns that the standard never really changes in the championship
There's on one thing you need and that's consistency, one nil wins and the odd draw games will get you promoted, as there are no wonder goal scorers like the Premier, who can score out of nothing, so as long as the defence is tight and you have a half decent strike force, your up, just like Malky did

Is it poor or are the bigger teams starting to get better players from premier ect ect , and causing gap between haves and haves nots?

I agree with Allan

The better teams like Boro, Derby, and Hull are so much better than the large majority of the rest. Brighton are doing well to hang in there and Burnley are also a level above most of the sides, certainly more consistent and have a good squad.
After that the last play off place is anyone's.

Its certainly not a poorer division than the one we won in 2012/13 and I don't agree the gap is getting bigger between premier league and championship not in terms of the promoted teams anyway.

Leicester promoted 2 seasons ago sit top of the PL, and all 3 promoted teams last year are holding their own this year from Watford in 11th to Bournemouth in 18th and 2 points from safety.

We probably think the standard is worse because of the mundane crap we are served up by Captain Underdog.

I don't think Boro, derby & Hull are any better. They may have squads filled with more expensive players but as a team they are not much different when they play. Only Hull looked better (on the day) against us.
Our tactics sometimes give the initiative to the opposition, which we have been fortunate to survive at times.
Players with Premier League experience are not necessarily Premier League standard.
I think the championship contains many average teams with a few poor teams at the bottom.

Yes we got a good result against Boro, but I have to say they have impressed me in general since Karanka started his work there, last season they won 0-2 I think it was against us at home and they were superb.

6 point gap between top 5 and 6th place, I don't think that gap will be closed by anyone tbh, who knows though

Is it poor or are the bigger teams starting to get better players from premier ect ect , and causing gap between haves and haves nots?

I agree with Allan

The better teams like Boro, Derby, and Hull are so much better than the large majority of the rest. Brighton are doing well to hang in there and Burnley are also a level above most of the sides, certainly more consistent and have a good squad.
After that the last play off place is anyone's.

Its certainly not a poorer division than the one we won in 2012/13 and I don't agree the gap is getting bigger between premier league and championship not in terms of the promoted teams anyway.

Leicester promoted 2 seasons ago sit top of the PL, and all 3 promoted teams last year are holding their own this year from Watford in 11th to Bournemouth in 18th and 2 points from safety.

We probably think the standard is worse because of the mundane crap we are served up by Captain Underdog.

I don't think Boro, derby & Hull are any better. They may have squads filled with more expensive players but as a team they are not much different when they play. Only Hull looked better (on the day) against us.
Our tactics sometimes give the initiative to the opposition, which we have been fortunate to survive at times.
Players with Premier League experience are not necessarily Premier League standard.
I think the championship contains many average teams with a few poor teams at the bottom.

You don't think Boro, Hull and Derby are any better?? The gap in the league table must be lying then

Did you not see Derbys performance away to Hull last week? You think the rest can perform like that?

And if you didn't think Derby looked better than us on the day when but for Marshall they would have smashed us by 6 or 7 a couple of weeks ago then you either didn't see the game or you need to go to spec savers.

We have this same topic every year. Listen to the manager, pundits and players and they say the league gets harder every year. We always get our fans on a downer with our team and assume because we are doing ok then the league must be shit.

Is the PL poor this season because Leicester are top 4?

Is it poor or are the bigger teams starting to get better players from premier ect ect , and causing gap between haves and haves nots?

I agree with Allan

The better teams like Boro, Derby, and Hull are so much better than the large majority of the rest. Brighton are doing well to hang in there and Burnley are also a level above most of the sides, certainly more consistent and have a good squad.
After that the last play off place is anyone's.

Its certainly not a poorer division than the one we won in 2012/13 and I don't agree the gap is getting bigger between premier league and championship not in terms of the promoted teams anyway.

Leicester promoted 2 seasons ago sit top of the PL, and all 3 promoted teams last year are holding their own this year from Watford in 11th to Bournemouth in 18th and 2 points from safety.

We probably think the standard is worse because of the mundane crap we are served up by Captain Underdog.

I don't think Boro, derby & Hull are any better. They may have squads filled with more expensive players but as a team they are not much different when they play. Only Hull looked better (on the day) against us.
Our tactics sometimes give the initiative to the opposition, which we have been fortunate to survive at times.
Players with Premier League experience are not necessarily Premier League standard.
I think the championship contains many average teams with a few poor teams at the bottom.

You don't think Boro, Hull and Derby are any better?? The gap in the league table must be lying then

Did you not see Derbys performance away to Hull last week? You think the rest can perform like that?

And if you didn't think Derby looked better than us on the day when but for Marshall they would have smashed us by 6 or 7 a couple of weeks ago then you either didn't see the game or you need to go to spec savers.

Yes I was at the game...and they didn't smash us by 6 or 7.....that's the point. Some have regular goal scorers, some midfield, we have a keeper. No team has the lot...and plays consistently as a team.

Derby v Forest on the TV recently were shocking.

Is it poor or are the bigger teams starting to get better players from premier ect ect , and causing gap between haves and haves nots?

I agree with Allan

The better teams like Boro, Derby, and Hull are so much better than the large majority of the rest. Brighton are doing well to hang in there and Burnley are also a level above most of the sides, certainly more consistent and have a good squad.
After that the last play off place is anyone's.

Its certainly not a poorer division than the one we won in 2012/13 and I don't agree the gap is getting bigger between premier league and championship not in terms of the promoted teams anyway.

Leicester promoted 2 seasons ago sit top of the PL, and all 3 promoted teams last year are holding their own this year from Watford in 11th to Bournemouth in 18th and 2 points from safety.

We probably think the standard is worse because of the mundane crap we are served up by Captain Underdog.

I don't think Boro, derby & Hull are any better. They may have squads filled with more expensive players but as a team they are not much different when they play. Only Hull looked better (on the day) against us.
Our tactics sometimes give the initiative to the opposition, which we have been fortunate to survive at times.
Players with Premier League experience are not necessarily Premier League standard.
I think the championship contains many average teams with a few poor teams at the bottom.

You don't think Boro, Hull and Derby are any better?? The gap in the league table must be lying then

Did you not see Derbys performance away to Hull last week? You think the rest can perform like that?

And if you didn't think Derby looked better than us on the day when but for Marshall they would have smashed us by 6 or 7 a couple of weeks ago then you either didn't see the game or you need to go to spec savers.

Yes I was at the game...and they didn't smash us by 6 or 7.....that's the point. Some have regular goal scorers, some midfield, we have a keeper. No team has the lot...and plays consistently as a team.

Derby v Forest on the TV recently were shocking.

You must have been had too much to drink on the coach on the way up if if you think Derby didn't look better than us on the day.

We won the weakest Championship in a long time, we romped home. I would say the top teams in this league are the best there have ever been at this level. There's always been about 6 teams in this league that have floundered, not this year.

Brighton inconsistant


Think you should start following a different game

In the Championship?

If Cardiff City and Derby win tomorrow, while Birmingham fail to win then at worst Cardiff City will only be out of the play-offs on goal difference.

This is a Cardiff City side who have won just three out of our last 12 games - picking up 14 points out of the 36 available in this time.

It really shows up the low standard this year, if you take out Brighton, Middlesbrough, Hull and Derby. Even those clubs are inconsistent compared to previous years.

If any club can go on a good run then they have a decent chance of the play-offs.

It's quite amusing that at the beginning of every season, we are all on here saying how much more difficult it will be to get promoted, as the teams that have got relegated are so much better, the teams promoted are coming up with such confidence, then half way through the season, realisation dawns that the standard never really changes in the championship
There's on one thing you need and that's consistency, one nil wins and the odd draw games will get you promoted, as there are no wonder goal scorers like the Premier, who can score out of nothing, so as long as the defence is tight and you have a half decent strike force, your up, just like Malky did

How many 1-0s did Bpurnemputh get last season?

Brighton inconsistant


Think you should start following a different game

The only team undefeated in Scotland and England and still had come behind from 2-0 to beat lowly Charlton. This league is very tough this year.

Oh yeah but inconisistant is the last word id use for them this season.

Its a tough league but is itngood tough or poor tough? Who decides and how? People who want to put a dampner on our season will say its a shit league. But is that true or is it getting better?

Id say the latter personlly

Oh yeah but inconisistant is the last word id use for them this season.

Its a tough league but is itngood tough or poor tough? Who decides and how? People who want to put a dampner on our season will say its a shit league. But is that true or is it getting better?

Id say the latter personlly

The quality of the teams in the top five plus QPR (who've had a shit start) are the best we've seen in this league for a long time. There are no Peterboroughs, Millwalls and Barnsleys in it this year who were always struggling at the bottom and even perennial strugglers Huddersfield and Brum are decent this year.

Everyone says this every year ffs, look at the point score from 1st to 5th. It's competitive

I think the standard of UK club football on the whole is dropping

I think the standard of UK club football on the whole is dropping

This.

Is it poor or are the bigger teams starting to get better players from premier ect ect , and causing gap between haves and haves nots?

I agree with Allan

The better teams like Boro, Derby, and Hull are so much better than the large majority of the rest. Brighton are doing well to hang in there and Burnley are also a level above most of the sides, certainly more consistent and have a good squad.
After that the last play off place is anyone's.

Its certainly not a poorer division than the one we won in 2012/13 and I don't agree the gap is getting bigger between premier league and championship not in terms of the promoted teams anyway.

Leicester promoted 2 seasons ago sit top of the PL, and all 3 promoted teams last year are holding their own this year from Watford in 11th to Bournemouth in 18th and 2 points from safety.

We probably think the standard is worse because of the mundane crap we are served up by Captain Underdog.

I don't think Boro, derby & Hull are any better. They may have squads filled with more expensive players but as a team they are not much different when they play. Only Hull looked better (on the day) against us.
Our tactics sometimes give the initiative to the opposition, which we have been fortunate to survive at times.
Players with Premier League experience are not necessarily Premier League standard.
I think the championship contains many average teams with a few poor teams at the bottom.

You don't think Boro, Hull and Derby are any better?? The gap in the league table must be lying then

Did you not see Derbys performance away to Hull last week? You think the rest can perform like that?

And if you didn't think Derby looked better than us on the day when but for Marshall they would have smashed us by 6 or 7 a couple of weeks ago then you either didn't see the game or you need to go to spec savers.

Yes I was at the game...and they didn't smash us by 6 or 7.....that's the point. Some have regular goal scorers, some midfield, we have a keeper. No team has the lot...and plays consistently as a team.

Derby v Forest on the TV recently were shocking.

You must have been had too much to drink on the coach on the way up if if you think Derby didn't look better than us on the day.

You are probably right !,
But I haven't been impressed at all any visitors to Cardiff, except I think for Hull, and I would not say we have been impressive at home so far this season.
I think the Championship has been average for the past 4 years, no stand out teams... very few anyway.