Fractions from being a quality side

We are imo.

For me if whittingham is out of the starting 11 and ralls is the main man in centre midfield with gunnarson or dikgachoi. If we play with 2 natural wingers options of noone pilks ameobi and kennedy.
Striking options now and going forward for the season of watt macheda jones and saadi.

I think if slade sorts out the midfield and with our striking options now we can be a quality side and much better than we have been this season so far.

Who agrees?
Slade is the only one who can do this but unfortunately i dont think he will make these crucial changes ive mentioned? Opinions?

After what i have read about what he said last night it seems like he could.

After what i have read about what he said last night it seems like he could.

He needs to back up what he said. He said he wants the whitts of 3 years ago but keeps playing him all the time what the hell is that about ffs?

Slade basically saying hes past his best so drop him let ralls take over the reigns and play with 2 natural wingers its not rocket science!

After what i have read about what he said last night it seems like he could.

He needs to back up what he said. He said he wants the whitts of 3 years ago but keeps playing him all the time what the hell is that about ffs?

Slade basically saying hes past his best so drop him let ralls take over the reigns and play with 2 natural wingers its not rocket science!

Lets hope he has finally learned the error of his ways.

We are imo.

For me if whittingham is out of the starting 11 and ralls is the main man in centre midfield with gunnarson or dikgachoi. If we play with 2 natural wingers options of noone pilks ameobi and kennedy.
Striking options now and going forward for the season of watt macheda jones and saadi.

I think if slade sorts out the midfield and with our striking options now we can be a quality side and much better than we have been this season so far.

Who agrees?
Slade is the only one who can do this but unfortunately i dont think he will make these crucial changes ive mentioned? Opinions?

Agree with the Whittingham thing. But until Slade changes his tactics and formation we'll always be found out. Fair play to Dyche on Saturday, brought subs on, changed his system and put us under pressure. Slade on the other hand changed like for like with no tactical difference.

We are more than a fraction away from the best sides in this division.

442 with 2 out and out wingers is outdated. The best sides in this division get more bodies in midfield and get the full backs joining in with the attacks. Derby do it well, so do Hull, so do Boro. None of those teams play 442 with 2 out and out wingers.

Totally agree with the Whittingham point but as a previous poster wrote, we need to play with a different system. I would prefer a 4-5-1 which would allow for a stronger midfield and would love to see Digkacoi Ralls and Gunnarsson together.

Totally agree with the Whittingham point but as a previous poster wrote, we need to play with a different system. I would prefer a 4-5-1 which would allow for a stronger midfield and would love to see Digkacoi Ralls and Gunnarsson together.

Why would you love to see a midfield where 2 of the 3 players cant pass the ball?

We haven't got a 442 squad.

Take Whitts out the equation with Ralls and Gunnar at CM.

Noone not a 442 wing as he can't cross it.
Pilkington is Whitts of 4 years ago when we have to design a sytem for a slow "winger" who is constantly wandering inside because he can't go outside.

Ameobi is a forward, not a midfielder, Harris proably not quite good enough (although i hope he is), leaving us only with Kennedy who looked good on a few of his cameo performamces.

Here we go our non scoring forards. Jones can't play with a partner, leaving us with a destroyed Joe Mason. Macheda has suddenly become our saviour ! I hope his back operation inserted a spine, because there is a good player in there, not sure he wants to come out though and Saadi who may spend more time on the physio's bench than pilkington !!!!

So IMO nowhere near a quality team with Russ in charge. My team would be

Peltier (capt) Conolly Manga Fabio
......... Whitts
..... Gunnar Rall
Noone Jones Ameobi

We are not going to be relegated, remove the shackles. Salde would never go for that formation, but the Malky 4141may not be far of.

Peltier (capt) Conolly Manga Fabio
......... Whitts
Pilkington Gunnar Ralls Kennedy
.......Jones

Totally agree with the Whittingham point but as a previous poster wrote, we need to play with a different system. I would prefer a 4-5-1 which would allow for a stronger midfield and would love to see Digkacoi Ralls and Gunnarsson together.

Why would you love to see a midfield where 2 of the 3 players cant pass the ball?

You obviously read my post wrong mate! I referenced Digkacoi Ralls and Gunnarsson

We haven't got a 442 squad.

Take Whitts out the equation with Ralls and Gunnar at CM.

Noone not a 442 wing as he can't cross it.
Pilkington is Whitts of 4 years ago when we have to design a sytem for a slow "winger" who is constantly wandering inside because he can't go outside.

Ameobi is a forward, not a midfielder, Harris proably not quite good enough (although i hope he is), leaving us only with Kennedy who looked good on a few of his cameo performamces.

Here we go our non scoring forards. Jones can't play with a partner, leaving us with a destroyed Joe Mason. Macheda has suddenly become our saviour ! I hope his back operation inserted a spine, because there is a good player in there, not sure he wants to come out though and Saadi who may spend more time on the physio's bench than pilkington !!!!

So IMO nowhere near a quality team with Russ in charge. My team would be

Peltier (capt) Conolly Manga Fabio
......... Whitts
..... Gunnar Rall
Noone Jones Ameobi

We are not going to be relegated, remove the shackles. Salde would never go for that formation, but the Malky 4141may not be far of.

Peltier (capt) Conolly Manga Fabio
......... Whitts
Pilkington Gunnar Ralls Kennedy
.......Jones

No, a far better side would be:

............Marshall
Peltier Connolly Manga Fabio
Gunnarsson Digkacoi
Pilkington Ralls Kennedy
...... Jones

Totally agree with the Whittingham point but as a previous poster wrote, we need to play with a different system. I would prefer a 4-5-1 which would allow for a stronger midfield and would love to see Digkacoi Ralls and Gunnarsson together.

Why would you love to see a midfield where 2 of the 3 players cant pass the ball?

You obviously read my post wrong mate! I referenced Digkacoi Ralls and Gunnarsson

No I read it correctly and only Ralls has any passing range of those three.

We haven't got a 442 squad.

Take Whitts out the equation with Ralls and Gunnar at CM.

Noone not a 442 wing as he can't cross it.
Pilkington is Whitts of 4 years ago when we have to design a sytem for a slow "winger" who is constantly wandering inside because he can't go outside.

Ameobi is a forward, not a midfielder, Harris proably not quite good enough (although i hope he is), leaving us only with Kennedy who looked good on a few of his cameo performamces.

Here we go our non scoring forards. Jones can't play with a partner, leaving us with a destroyed Joe Mason. Macheda has suddenly become our saviour ! I hope his back operation inserted a spine, because there is a good player in there, not sure he wants to come out though and Saadi who may spend more time on the physio's bench than pilkington !!!!

So IMO nowhere near a quality team with Russ in charge. My team would be

Peltier (capt) Conolly Manga Fabio
......... Whitts
..... Gunnar Rall
Noone Jones Ameobi

We are not going to be relegated, remove the shackles. Salde would never go for that formation, but the Malky 4141may not be far of.

Peltier (capt) Conolly Manga Fabio
......... Whitts
Pilkington Gunnar Ralls Kennedy
.......Jones

No, a far better side would be:

............Marshall
Peltier Connolly Manga Fabio
Gunnarsson Digkacoi
Pilkington Ralls Kennedy
...... Jones

Ralls is certainly not a number 10

Totally agree with the Whittingham point but as a previous poster wrote, we need to play with a different system. I would prefer a 4-5-1 which would allow for a stronger midfield and would love to see Digkacoi Ralls and Gunnarsson together.

Why would you love to see a midfield where 2 of the 3 players cant pass the ball?

You obviously read my post wrong mate! I referenced Digkacoi Ralls and Gunnarsson

No I read it correctly and only Ralls has any passing range of those three.

Not in my opinion. All three can pass adequately enough and have very effective alternative qualities too.

We haven't got a 442 squad.

Take Whitts out the equation with Ralls and Gunnar at CM.

Noone not a 442 wing as he can't cross it.
Pilkington is Whitts of 4 years ago when we have to design a sytem for a slow "winger" who is constantly wandering inside because he can't go outside.

Ameobi is a forward, not a midfielder, Harris proably not quite good enough (although i hope he is), leaving us only with Kennedy who looked good on a few of his cameo performamces.

Here we go our non scoring forards. Jones can't play with a partner, leaving us with a destroyed Joe Mason. Macheda has suddenly become our saviour ! I hope his back operation inserted a spine, because there is a good player in there, not sure he wants to come out though and Saadi who may spend more time on the physio's bench than pilkington !!!!

So IMO nowhere near a quality team with Russ in charge. My team would be

Peltier (capt) Conolly Manga Fabio
......... Whitts
..... Gunnar Rall
Noone Jones Ameobi

We are not going to be relegated, remove the shackles. Salde would never go for that formation, but the Malky 4141may not be far of.

Peltier (capt) Conolly Manga Fabio
......... Whitts
Pilkington Gunnar Ralls Kennedy
.......Jones

No, a far better side would be:

............Marshall
Peltier Connolly Manga Fabio
Gunnarsson Digkacoi
Pilkington Ralls Kennedy
...... Jones

Ralls is certainly not a number 10

Correct

We haven't got a 442 squad.

Take Whitts out the equation with Ralls and Gunnar at CM.

Noone not a 442 wing as he can't cross it.
Pilkington is Whitts of 4 years ago when we have to design a sytem for a slow "winger" who is constantly wandering inside because he can't go outside.

Ameobi is a forward, not a midfielder, Harris proably not quite good enough (although i hope he is), leaving us only with Kennedy who looked good on a few of his cameo performamces.

Here we go our non scoring forards. Jones can't play with a partner, leaving us with a destroyed Joe Mason. Macheda has suddenly become our saviour ! I hope his back operation inserted a spine, because there is a good player in there, not sure he wants to come out though and Saadi who may spend more time on the physio's bench than pilkington !!!!

So IMO nowhere near a quality team with Russ in charge. My team would be

Peltier (capt) Conolly Manga Fabio
......... Whitts
..... Gunnar Rall
Noone Jones Ameobi

We are not going to be relegated, remove the shackles. Salde would never go for that formation, but the Malky 4141may not be far of.

Peltier (capt) Conolly Manga Fabio
......... Whitts
Pilkington Gunnar Ralls Kennedy
.......Jones

No, a far better side would be:

............Marshall
Peltier Connolly Manga Fabio
Gunnarsson Digkacoi
Pilkington Ralls Kennedy
...... Jones

Ralls is certainly not a number 10

Correct

So why do you have him in that position?

We are more than a fraction away from the best sides in this division.

442 with 2 out and out wingers is outdated. The best sides in this division get more bodies in midfield and get the full backs joining in with the attacks. Derby do it well, so do Hull, so do Boro. None of those teams play 442 with 2 out and out wingers.

I agree with what you say about the other systems working but if played correctly 442 can work, leicester got promoted with it so did burnley, and bournemouth won the league last year playing 442.

If played correctly 442 can work.

We are more than a fraction away from the best sides in this division.

442 with 2 out and out wingers is outdated. The best sides in this division get more bodies in midfield and get the full backs joining in with the attacks. Derby do it well, so do Hull, so do Boro. None of those teams play 442 with 2 out and out wingers.

I agree with what you say about the other systems working but if played correctly 442 can work, leicester got promoted with it so did burnley, and bournemouth won the league last year playing 442.

If played correctly 442 can work.

Bournemouth did not play 442 with 2 out and out wingers which is what you were originally suggesting.

Bournemouth played more like 2-4-4 last year!! Their fullbacks provided the width and were often more further forward than their midfielders!!

We are more than a fraction away from the best sides in this division.

442 with 2 out and out wingers is outdated. The best sides in this division get more bodies in midfield and get the full backs joining in with the attacks. Derby do it well, so do Hull, so do Boro. None of those teams play 442 with 2 out and out wingers.

I agree with what you say about the other systems working but if played correctly 442 can work, leicester got promoted with it so did burnley, and bournemouth won the league last year playing 442.

If played correctly 442 can work.

Bournemouth did not play 442 with 2 out and out wingers which is what you were originally suggesting.

Bournemouth played more like 2-4-4 last year!! Their fullbacks provided the width and were often more further forward than their midfielders!!

Maybe slade should try out 2 4 4 then? Lol

We are more than a fraction away from the best sides in this division.

442 with 2 out and out wingers is outdated. The best sides in this division get more bodies in midfield and get the full backs joining in with the attacks. Derby do it well, so do Hull, so do Boro. None of those teams play 442 with 2 out and out wingers.

I agree with what you say about the other systems working but if played correctly 442 can work, leicester got promoted with it so did burnley, and bournemouth won the league last year playing 442.

If played correctly 442 can work.

Bournemouth did not play 442 with 2 out and out wingers which is what you were originally suggesting.

Bournemouth played more like 2-4-4 last year!! Their fullbacks provided the width and were often more further forward than their midfielders!!

Maybe slade should try out 2 4 4 then? Lol

Mention 2 4 4 to Slade and he will be like " 2 4 4 ? how is that even possible? "

Gunnar has had two games played in terrible conditions where it was more about heart and strength, properties he has in abundance. Conveniently forgot about the two howlers against Reading which may have resulted in goals against.

Gunnar has had two games played in terrible conditions where it was more about heart and strength, properties he has in abundance. Conveniently forgot about the two howlers against Reading which may have resulted in goals against.

Can't see the conditions being much better for a while. Maybe he was a little rusty against reading, but playing then and the international break has helped him get his sharpness back?

7/8ths?

Gunnar has had two games played in terrible conditions where it was more about heart and strength, properties he has in abundance. Conveniently forgot about the two howlers against Reading which may have resulted in goals against.

Oh dear sour grapes!