' MPs have voted by 397 to 223 '

Syria air strikes: MPs authorise UK action against Islamic State

67 Labour MPs, including several members of the shadow cabinet, voted with the government to back air strikes after their MPs were given a free vote


BBC
2nd Dec 2015


MPs have voted by 397 to 223 to authorise UK air strikes against so-called Islamic State in Syria.

Prime Minister David Cameron argued in a Commons debate that action against the "medieval monsters" of IS was legal and would "keep our country safe".
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the case for war "does not stack up" - but his party was split, with senior Labour figures voting with the government after the 10-hour debate.
RAF bombing raids could begin soon.


Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond has said UK planes would be deployed "very quickly", potentially as early as Thursday.

The BBC estimates that 67 Labour MPs, including several members of the shadow cabinet, voted with the government to back air strikes after their MPs were given a free vote -

174 difference - huge difference with only 17 to work with .

is it something like 65-69 labour MP's ??

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Completely disagree with the MPs Annis.

I was totally against this, and still am. The UK will be a much bigger target now and we're all in danger. I think we should have stayed away from this for once. I just hope it's not a repeat of the mistakes made in Iraq.

But to be fair, that's a big difference in voting so I'll accept that - as dissapointed as I am.

What will be, will be.

Arm the police should be the next move,our bobbys got no chance of curtailing a terrorist gang in action,like what happened in Paris.By the time armed response are in place,hundreds will be slaughtered on our streets.

Absolute f*cking joke. The country is in massive amounts of debt but has somehow found 100s of millions in the budget to fight a war and kill a higher majority of innocent people.

Absolute f*cking joke. The country is in massive amounts of debt but has somehow found 100s of millions in the budget to fight a war and kill a higher majority of innocent people.

Good post, totally agree

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Completely disagree with the MPs Annis.

I was totally against this, and still am. The UK will be a much bigger target now and we're all in danger. I think we should have stayed away from this for once. I just hope it's not a repeat of the mistakes made in Iraq.

But to be fair, that's a big difference in voting so I'll accept that - as dissapointed as I am.

What will be, will be.

This will massively split opinions with no right or wrong because unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world, I don't think there is the perfect answer. My vote would be bomb, we also need to take an Aussie approach with our borders. Bit late? Without a doubt, but our children and grand children will benefit from changes made now.

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When your faced with evil, pacifism does not work, it never has it never will

Think we should stay out of it all ,close our borders and start looking after our own British people ,it's a unwinable warv,even the Muslims hate each other ,should just let Russia wipe them all out

Let me put it this way, this is a quote from the latest series of Doctor Who by Peter Capaldi. It is so relevant:

"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill until everybody does what they were always going to have to do in the end: sit down and talk."

Absolute f*cking joke. The country is in massive amounts of debt but has somehow found 100s of millions in the budget to fight a war and kill a higher majority of innocent people.

The only reason for military intervention or war is money, power and/or resources. Nothing like manufacturing the entire situation and manipulating the populace to suit your overall own geopolitical motives. Give it 5-10 years and the real truth will come out as to why we've gone into Syria. By then it'll be too late again. The sheep will never learn.

Foreign secretary just said,BRITAIN IS A SAFER PLACE TONIGHT DUE TO THE RESULT OF THE VOTE,I beg to differ,our state of emergency will be at its highest possible at home.Its total madness what these politicians are doing in our name.

OPINIONS

Completely disagree with the MPs Annis.

I was totally against this, and still am. The UK will be a much bigger target now and we're all in danger. I think we should have stayed away from this for once. I just hope it's not a repeat of the mistakes made in Iraq.

But to be fair, that's a big difference in voting so I'll accept that - as dissapointed as I am.

What will be, will be.

Our bombing of Isis will be zero in comparison to the innocent lives slaughtered because our previous actions in the region.

This is a nothing.

Bomb raqqa to shit. They simply cannot get away with Paris.

And before people say innocent people live in raqqa, well, people die in wars. And raqqa is the capital of Isis. What I do know is that if we allow them to prosper it will end up be a lot more bloody than now.

We are not in more danger as a result of this. You can find a few idiots that can getba hold of guns at anytime.

Doing nothing is not the answer. Isis will simply grow and grow.

OPINIONS

Completely disagree with the MPs Annis.

I was totally against this, and still am. The UK will be a much bigger target now and we're all in danger. I think we should have stayed away from this for once. I just hope it's not a repeat of the mistakes made in Iraq.

But to be fair, that's a big difference in voting so I'll accept that - as dissapointed as I am.

What will be, will be.

Our bombing of Isis will be zero in comparison to the innocent lives slaughtered because our previous actions in the region.

This is a nothing.

Bomb raqqa to shit. They simply cannot get away with Paris.

And before people say innocent people live in raqqa, well, people die in wars. And raqqa is the capital of Isis. What I do know is that if we allow them to prosper it will end up be a lot more bloody than now.

We are not in more danger as a result of this. You can find a few idiots that can getba hold of guns at anytime.

Doing nothing is not the answer. Isis will simply grow and grow.

I agree, no perfect solution but you can't be in fear and adopt the we must not bomb them or they will hit back.

Absolute f*cking joke. The country is in massive amounts of debt but has somehow found 100s of millions in the budget to fight a war and kill a higher majority of innocent people.

The only reason for military intervention or war is money, power and/or resources. Nothing like manufacturing the entire situation and manipulating the populace to suit your overall own geopolitical motives. Give it 5-10 years and the real truth will come out as to why we've gone into Syria. By then it'll be too late again. The sheep will never learn.

That's what I've always believed but I don't think we can gain anything from this war other than getting in Putins good books which means nothing.

And we are a free ish state for a reason, because we have values. We allow gay people to live as they wish. Women rights are on the rise and people can practice religion as they wish.

The moment we become a police state, they have won. They want to destroy our principles.

That is why they struck the country that stands for liberte etc

Air strikes will not work. Special forces could work fighting side by side with the kurds.

But for me the only option is to train and arm the kurds.

Absolute f*cking joke. The country is in massive amounts of debt but has somehow found 100s of millions in the budget to fight a war and kill a higher majority of innocent people.

The only reason for military intervention or war is money, power and/or resources. Nothing like manufacturing the entire situation and manipulating the populace to suit your overall own geopolitical motives. Give it 5-10 years and the real truth will come out as to why we've gone into Syria. By then it'll be too late again. The sheep will never learn.

That's what I've always believed but I don't think we can gain anything from this war other than getting in Putins good books which means nothing.

1) Syria has about 2500 oil reserves. Not a lot but sure as hell better than nothing - a lot more untapped predicted
2) Its home to a mass amount of narcotics - to the point that fighters are even loaded up on the stuff - more money
3) The eventual removal of Assad and putting in a leader that falls in line with Western interests
4) Switch Russia's ally to a Western ally - Russia want to keep Assad as Russia benefits economically from Assad's Syria
5) Syria has a lot of natural gas

Russia wants Assad in power and wants to continue as things are by taking advantage of its economic relations with Syria. Islamic State are a threat to this hence why Russia have been pushing so strongly to wipe them out.

The West want both Islamic State and Assad gone, and want to put in place a 'puppet'. Islamic State were partly manufactured, and still supported, to take out Assad and destabilise the Syrian regime. Now the regime is destabilised, the West will intervene to take out Islamic State and then work towards the steady removal of Assad from power in Syria. This will allow the West to tap into the Syrian economy when it tells the new leader in Syria how things are, and the new leader agrees to sell oil at 'x' amount of US dollars to the USA.

All of this is about money, pure and simple.

If it was a people's vote. This would not have happened.
How did Wales MPs vote?

I'm with Wez. The fight is here.
I've worked in towns around England last few weeks
And very uncomfortable in Slough and dewsbury.
My colleagues commentated on how targeted they felt.
It was surreal. Like foreign westerners in the Middle East.

A Romanian in one town working in UK. Told him I was Welsh
And he told me that he was packing up to go to Wales as 'too many immigrants'
He said how easy it was not to work and get a house!!!

You couldn't make this up.

Bombing (no matter how effective) is going to bring more murder. There and here.
We can crush evil in a number of ways.
Now the Muslims have another excuse to continue feeding the Isis.

If it was a people's vote. This would not have happened.
How did Wales MPs vote?

I'm with Wez. The fight is here.
I've worked in towns around England last few weeks
And very uncomfortable in Slough and dewsbury.
My colleagues commentated on how targeted they felt.
It was surreal. Like foreign westerners in the Middle East.

A Romanian in one town working in UK. Told him I was Welsh
And he told me that he was packing up to go to Wales as 'too many immigrants'
He said how easy it was not to work and get a house!!!

You couldn't make this up.

Bombing (no matter how effective) is going to bring more murder. There and here.
We can crush evil in a number of ways.
Now the Muslims have another excuse to continue feeding the Isis.

I think you are taking the opinion of people online too seriously.

Before the may election people thought that labours support was overwhelming. Turns out not everyone has a twitter account & polls are not even worth reading.

I think it would be the same.

"Bombing (no matter how effective) is going to bring more murder. There and here. "

What do you think will happen if we allow ISIS to grow?.

2 choices were:
1) Sit back and wait for another Paris incident this time in London
2) Take action now to eliminate them

I for one back the decision 1000% and I've listened carefully to both sides of the coin.

if anyone is interested to find out how their MP voted

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34987921

Great, let's bomb the shot out of Raqqa....never mind the 200,000 civilians there, forced to live under IS. Let's leave Saudi Arabia to carry out their flogging and beheadings because we need to flog them arms and the royal family are their friends. Let's forget Assad with his blanket bombs who led to the whole Civil War in the first place. Let's just bloody forget that we went into Afghanistan to remove the Taliban and....oh, they're as strong as ever. Yeah, let's find billions of pounds for war when we haven't got enough teachers and doctors and Councils are closing everything down! Nadolig Llawen!

Sure half of you were moaning about refugees coming here and now you want to create more

Yeah lets put the white flag up why dont we.

I suppose if some of you were around when the First and Second World wars were on you would have invited Kaiser Bill, Hitler, Mussolini and Emperor Hirohito round for tea. Tens of Millions died for our freedom and our way of life with many thousands still missing and yet to be found. Short memories especially for those living a cushy existence thanks to those who perished.

As for Corbyn and the Labour party well they are going further down the big white pan every day. Oh and by the way I was a labour voter for many years, now I wouldnt touch them with a shitty stick!!!

Arm the police should be the next move,our bobbys got no chance of curtailing a terrorist gang in action,like what happened in Paris.By the time armed response are in place,hundreds will be slaughtered on our streets.

Don't buy into the scare tactics.

Very sad that they ignored the views of the majority in the Uk and take us into this war. gave my view in the Syria poll thread.
NO