Tim Hartley re football league received a reply from trust.

Sent this to the trust after Tim Hartley's pile of crap about the football league rebrand.

Hi,

I would just like to say how embarrassed I am by your chairman's comments regarding the English Football League. It in no way represents the thoughts of sane Cardiff fans and you have brought negative publicity on us at a time when it is not needed or desired.

I hope that you make a statement as an organisation disavowing yourselves from his comments.

Regards

Neil McDonald

Finally received this reply

Hi Neil



As I am sure you can appreciate, we represent a number of members and there will be times when not everyone will agree with statements that are made.



If you’re not already a member, you can join the Trust by following the link http://www.ccfctrust.org/?page_id=223.


So apparently it was the trust who made the statement.

Translation: "We'll say what we want. But you can give us some money if you want to have a meaningless say".

Thing is they represent more than just their members. They have Cardiff City in their name so they represent all of Cardiff City.

When outside fans and people read statements from the "Cardiff supporters trust" they will take that as the voice of all of us.

Hows about they throw us out of the english system so we can play with Airbus and the other galacticos.

Not enough is made of the fact the english allowed us into their league system We should be thankful.

Any trust statement should have unanimous agreement with its members.

On a list of organisations I would like to join CCST would be just below Ebola victims group, EDL and KKK as those I would like to join.

As far as I'm concerned the trust does not represent Cardiff City supporters and never will
They have a couple of hundred supporters
They now seem as if they are a throwback from the welsh nationalist party
Just a bunch of dick heads trying to embarrass Cardiff City football club

The trust try and do a good job with the best of intentions.

BUT when they try and express an opinion - then they are going to get into trouble.

They should have a constitution that expresses exactly what they are about - and stick to it.

It's very easy for them to email out all their members with a simple question - and if they get a majority opinion - then they should voice it.

My strong opinion they are just an embarrassment

My strong opinion they are just an embarrassment

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Was going to join them during the end of the red reign as i thought we needed to stand behind a single voice, but after reading thier agenda for the first club/fans meeting i stopped.

The agenda point for the club to pay the working wage totally perplexed me. All I wanted to hear was return to blue, return to blue, return to blue, badge , badge, badge......

I don't want to join a centre left/liberal organisation that just happens to be associated to a football club.

If there was to be a fan on the board i reckon Vince would get 90% of the season ticket holders votes.

Trust are a bunch of wankers simples

My strong opinion they are just an embarrassment

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Was going to join them during the end of the red reign as i thought we needed to stand behind a single voice, but after reading thier agenda for the first club/fans meeting i stopped.

The agenda point for the club to pay the working wage totally perplexed me. All I wanted to hear was return to blue, return to blue, return to blue, badge , badge, badge......

I don't want to join a centre left/liberal organisation that just happens to be associated to a football club.

If there was to be a fan on the board i reckon Vince would get 90% of the season ticket holders votes.

yes Vince would get my vote as well

Was going to join them during the end of the red reign as i thought we needed to stand behind a single voice, but after reading thier agenda for the first club/fans meeting i stopped.

The agenda point for the club to pay the working wage totally perplexed me. All I wanted to hear was return to blue, return to blue, return to blue, badge , badge, badge......

I don't want to join a centre left/liberal organisation that just happens to be associated to a football club.

If there was to be a fan on the board i reckon Vince would get 90% of the season ticket holders votes.

yes Vince would get my vote as well

And Mine

Vince and Corky dream team.

I don't have much against the trust because they do want what's best for the club, but they do often make tits out of themselves. We have no right to moan about the football league rebranding, we play in the English leagues and have done for over 100 years.

I met Tim in Bosnia and he came over as a decent guy.

Regarding the Trust I do believe they have missed out on a few opportunities to stand out.

My problem against the trust is it doesn't represent the fans in general just a small group. As for them objecting to the renaming of the league oh please come on lads we are in the English pyramid so what's the problem ? They can call there own league what the hell they like.
Now for me and many others we look forward to a time we are top of the English football league then we can chirp at the top of our voices, until then please put a sock in it as the trust is making fools out of us.

My problem against the trust is it doesn't represent the fans in general just a small group. As for them objecting to the renaming of the league oh please come on lads we are in the English pyramid so what's the problem ? They can call there own league what the hell they like.
Now for me and many others we look forward to a time we are top of the English football league then we can chirp at the top of our voices, until then please put a sock in it as the trust is making fools out of us.

To be fair we have always had that at our club.

The only guys truly and fully inclusive in our supporters organisations are Corky and Vince.

My strong opinion they are just an embarrassment

They represent NO ONE other than themselves...and increasingly Tim Hartley in particular!

My strong opinion they are just an embarrassment

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Same here annis I agree .if they won't to do any good sort out the stewarding at the ground on match days and get our atmosphere back .when stewards are throughing people out of the ground where are they then .they don't represent me not a member they only represent themselves .vince alm for me I would say represents me and many other fans

My strong opinion they are just an embarrassment

They represent NO ONE other than themselves...and increasingly Tim Hartley in particular!

Wonder how many in the trust agree with the statement put out in their name?

My problem against the trust is it doesn't represent the fans in general just a small group.

The heart of the problems with the Trust are summed up in that one line. The fact is personally it suits the Trust Board to have a small membership as the individuals who make up the TB are almost guaranteed to be re-elected.

They trot out this blab about if you disagree with them then join up and challenge for change. Fine I tried that and I can say my personal experience was a they very much do-not like anyone who doesn't follow the party line and those don't are treated with distain and are not made to feel welcome

However, I still stood and I was unsuccessful as I didn't get enough votes. That is fine but from then on every time I expressed an opinion about the Trust the response was I was bitter at the result and that influenced my opinion. The logic of that crap is that I can never express a negative opinion on the Trust ever again without have that slur thrown at me.

I'm sorry but the whole of the Trust Board is pathetic and that includes every single one of them. Seven years on and they still preside over a very small membership who collectively are insignificant due to their numbers. When you look at Tim Hartley's view it is clear his own ego is the important issue rather than CCFC or its supporters.

Based on my experience I would advise everyone to give the Trust a wide berth as you would simply be wasting your money on something which is simply not fit for purpose

I agree that Vince and Corky would be the dream team but something tells me that both individuals wouldn't touch the Trust with a barge pole.

Perhaps the name of this Trust needs to be changed. They represent a very small group of City supporters, and in all probability only represent the views of a handful of people within that group. They have never ever represented me or my views, and in fact my views on most things are more in line with supporters using this forum rather than the bunch at the Cardiff Supporters Trust. I find Hartley's view on the change of name absolutely ludicrous, and quite embarrasing as the name of the Trust suggests he is representing City supporters in general. He needs to come out and clarify things so that the general public are aware that we are not all idiots, and most of us accept that we are a Welsh club playing in the English system because that is of more benefit to us than playing in the Welsh League.

My strong opinion they are just an embarrassment

They represent NO ONE other than themselves...and increasingly Tim Hartley in particular!

Wonder how many in the trust agree with the statement put out in their name?

Neil, that's a large part of the Trust's problem; who have we heard from on the subject other than Tim Hartley?

Even Sian Branson's gone quiet lately (not a bad thing IMHO)

My strong opinion they are just an embarrassment

They represent NO ONE other than themselves...and increasingly Tim Hartley in particular!

Wonder how many in the trust agree with the statement put out in their name?

Neil, that's a large part of the Trust's problem; who have we heard from on the subject other than Tim Hartley?

Even Sian Branson's gone quiet lately (not a bad thing IMHO)

Jonathan Day sent me the response detailed above. Guess he agrees with it in that case.

Haven't heard a follow up. There are more Cardiff fans on here than in the trust, I think they should give us an answer why they actually came out with that shite.

Translation: "We'll say what we want. But you can give us some money if you want to have a meaningless say".

Yup.

My strong opinion they are just an embarrassment

They represent NO ONE other than themselves...and increasingly Tim Hartley in particular!

Wonder how many in the trust agree with the statement put out in their name?

Neil, that's a large part of the Trust's problem; who have we heard from on the subject other than Tim Hartley?

Even Sian Branson's gone quiet lately (not a bad thing IMHO)

Jonathan Day sent me the response detailed above. Guess he agrees with it in that case.

Haven't heard a follow up. There are more Cardiff fans on here than in the trust, I think they should give us an answer why they actually came out with that shite.

My problem against the trust is it doesn't represent the fans in general just a small group.

The heart of the problems with the Trust are summed up in that one line. The fact is personally it suits the Trust Board to have a small membership as the individuals who make up the TB are almost guaranteed to be re-elected.

They trot out this blab about if you disagree with them then join up and challenge for change. Fine I tried that and I can say my personal experience was a they very much do-not like anyone who doesn't follow the party line and those don't are treated with distain and are not made to feel welcome

However, I still stood and I was unsuccessful as I didn't get enough votes. That is fine but from then on every time I expressed an opinion about the Trust the response was I was bitter at the result and that influenced my opinion. The logic of that crap is that I can never express a negative opinion on the Trust ever again without have that slur thrown at me.

I'm sorry but the whole of the Trust Board is pathetic and that includes every single one of them. Seven years on and they still preside over a very small membership who collectively are insignificant due to their numbers. When you look at Tim Hartley's view it is clear his own ego is the important issue rather than CCFC or its supporters.

Based on my experience I would advise everyone to give the Trust a wide berth as you would simply be wasting your money on something which is simply not fit for purpose

I agree that Vince and Corky would be the dream team but something tells me that both individuals wouldn't touch the Trust with a barge pole.

Tony

It is simply not true that it suits the Trust board to have a small membership number. In fact exactly the opposite as more members means more influence.

As I have stated elsewhere on this board I have been consistent in my stated opinion that I very much welcome new candidates putting themselves forward to be elected to the board. That is why I have been pleased to see quite a few changes in recent years and continue to push for more changes in the future.As I have also consistently said, every candidate has an equal chance as it is one member one vote and therefore the chances of election are principally based on how much members agree with each candidate's election statement that is sent out to all members before the vote.

You should always be free to express negative views of the Trust if that is your opinion. I have not seen anyone claim that you only do so because you are bitter because you didn't get elected a few years ago. I certainly haven't said so myself as I don't believe that to be true.

I can be very strong myself in my own views but hope and believe that I show full respect to differing opinions. That includes yourself ( who I don't believe I have ever met) even though you have stated you consider me to be "pathetic" - you are perfectly entitled to hold that view even though you don't know me and I am not sure what you base that opinion on.

As for Vincent and Corky I think both are amazingly hard workers for the Supporters Club and FSF that they represent and I have huge respect for both of them. Corky was Chair of the Trust for some time and Vincent is a current member. Vince has been busting a gut recently with very little support ( a classic example of City fans being quick to criticise but very slow to actually do anything) over the ground atmosphere issue.Corky also works tirelessly for fans who follow Wales to away games and,through FSF for those he feels have been unfairly prosecuted or banned for football related offences.

Keith

My strong opinion they are just an embarrassment

They represent NO ONE other than themselves...and increasingly Tim Hartley in particular!

Wonder how many in the trust agree with the statement put out in their name?

Neil, that's a large part of the Trust's problem; who have we heard from on the subject other than Tim Hartley?

Even Sian Branson's gone quiet lately (not a bad thing IMHO)

Sven

Not sure why Sian would comment. Despite what some on here appeared to be believe she is not a Trust leader, or a member of theTrust board or even a Trust member. She was, for a very short time, asked to assist the board as a co-opted member with some membership and marketing initiatives but was unable to find the time to do so and so stepped down long before she would have had to put herself up for election by the membership'

Keith

My strong opinion they are just an embarrassment

They represent NO ONE other than themselves...and increasingly Tim Hartley in particular!

Wonder how many in the trust agree with the statement put out in their name?

Neil, that's a large part of the Trust's problem; who have we heard from on the subject other than Tim Hartley?

Even Sian Branson's gone quiet lately (not a bad thing IMHO)

Sven

Not sure why Sian would comment. Despite what some on here appeared to be believe she is not a Trust leader, or a member of theTrust board or even a Trust member. She was, for a very short time, asked to assist the board as a co-opted member with some membership and marketing initiatives but was unable to find the time to do so and so stepped down long before she would have had to put herself up for election by the membership'

Keith

Keith,

I'll be honest here. There was a certain jest, irony and sarcasm in my comment with regard to Sian's actual or perceived 'links' to the Trust and it is safe to say I am no supporter of anything with which this self-publicist is/was involved

Your personal preferences for a more 'open' Trust are admirable, but do not appear to mirror those of certain other members (specifically Tim Hartley) who seem intent on further alienating the wider fan base

Cardiff City FC supporters, on the whole, are not daft and they know when they are being railroaded and when 'others' are misrepresenting their views and/or speaking 'on their behalf' without proper remit. They saw it with Vincent Tan and they see it with the Trust!

So the 'English' league decide to use that name in their title?

So what? It's their league!

We are (for historic reasons) somewhat lucky to still be a part of it and we can be very proud to have made a number of significant contributions to the annals of Football League history. Indeed, we are still lauded for being the only team to take the FA Cup out of ENGLAND; another irony because I don't believe anyone from Cardiff City FC ever sent a letter to complain about that fact!

What we don't need is a group which should be concerned solely with the 'interests' of Cardiff City Football Club alone taking it on themselves to contact the Football League effectively 'on our behalf' (because that is how it will be perceived elsewhere) when only a small minority are actually members of the body that issued the communication itself!

I have all due respect for you personally, but the Trust on the whole are a long way off becoming a credible group amongst the majority of attending supporters at current rate...and that is a genuine shame

Sadly the trust has never been relevant or effective.