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' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:00 pm

That was a welcome returning to scoring and winning but before we start saying things are all rosy in the garden it is far from it.

Our two goals today, despite both being very good finishes from Kenwyne and Connolly, they were both set pieces and that is my biggest concern.

We are not creating enough chances in open play but today's performance was far better than we have seen for some time.

It was 9 hours and 35 minutes since a City player scored before Kenwyne ended the drought after 44 minutes this afternoon.

What pleased me most today was that Slade finally conceded to playing Joe Ralls in the middle, we can argue that with Whittingham out through suspension that Ralls would get his chance but the horrible truth is that most of us have been saying since last season that Ralls is a centre midfielder but Slade would not give the youngster the opportunity.

Well today Mr Slade it proved that fans understand football too and the question is why have you waited so long to play Ralls in his most obvious position.

We did have a few opportunities throughout to score from open play, once and probably the best chance came through a bit of luck for Gunnarsson but he pulled his effort wide.

Gunnarsson and Ralls provided energy and tempo that has desperately been missing from our midfield for a long time, even before Slade was appointed, and if Whittingham regains his place against Derby in the middle of the park then I am sorry to say but Slade will prove to me with no doubt that he has very little idea of what the team needs.

Hopefully the manager will at least keep the same side against Derby and if all goes well we can start to build consistency into our performances, results are hard to swallow when they don't go your way but poor performances, which City fans have witnessed recently, are much more difficult to comprehend.

I want to finish being positive and that is that we got goals this afternoon, kept a clean sheet again thanks mainly to David Marshall and we are one place and just one win from the play offs, there is plenty in this season for us to push and play for, I believe we have the squad capable of doing something this season and after taking four points from Preston and Middlesbrough in the space of four days I said to friends then that I believed Slade would get us to the play offs.

The Bristol City and Leeds performances knocked my belief slightly but overall defensively the manager has made us solid, today showed that there are goals in the team, albeit from set pieces, now he just has to get the attacking part of the side working, today is a start, let's see if there is more improvement against Derby and Burnley.

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:07 pm

Good post Carl. :thumbright:

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:11 pm

We need to replace Mason,if not with another forward then play 5 in midfield with Kenwynne up on his own.
Overall happy though :bluebird:

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:13 pm

To be honest, we played well today, still some bad mistakes mainly from gunnarson, but he still played very well.

my big issylue at the moment is mason. He's had many chances but missed all of them. Missed the passes, the runs and the shots.he is a passenger and is taking up a valuable space in a good team.

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:19 pm

Mr Shed wrote:To be honest, we played well today, still some bad mistakes mainly from gunnarson, but he still played very well.

my big issylue at the moment is mason. He's had many chances but missed all of them. Missed the passes, the runs and the shots.he is a passenger and is taking up a valuable space in a good team.
saadi might be the man but i agree mason's wank :thumbup:

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:24 pm

Rydogsccfc wrote:Good post Carl. :thumbright:

Cheers Ryan :thumbup:

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:34 pm

Yes it's a good win, and always nice to get three points. But Reading have been on a poor run recently too.

Slade is still under pressure.

The question we all have to ask is, do you think Slade is the right man for Cardiff City? You only have to look at the poll on here this week for the answer.

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:34 pm

carlccfc wrote:
Rydogsccfc wrote:Good post Carl. :thumbright:

Cheers Ryan :thumbup:


Yes good post Carl but I really thought we'd do well with Whittingham out, its a no brainer. However the test is yet to come. Will Slade revert to type?

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:36 pm

I agree with virtually everything you say there Carl with just the bit about keeping the same team against against Derby the difference between us.

I believe the team HAS to change against Derby, and yes, Whittingham just has to included from the start but absolutely not in the CM quarterback role that RS has him playing. Without doubt Joe Ralls today has shown everyone that he is a CM player with a performance full of desire, energy and quality and he must be given a run of games in that role.

For me Whittingham needs to be in the team in his best position of wide left midfield because at least with the quality of his passing, crossing and shooting you get an end product. Today neither Pilkington and in particular Noone delivered any end product from the wide positions. In fact despite a high energy performance from Noone the reality is today on countless occasions he just lost possession and against Derby away we simply cannot risk that.

Also if Saadi is anything near match fit he needs to replace Joe Mason who looks miles off the pace at this moment and is offering nothing.

We are all happier tonight because we have won, the team played well and showed at great deal of desire for the 90 minutes but, without a superb performance by Marshall is could have been a very different result.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:39 pm

castleblue wrote:I agree with virtually everything you say there Carl with just the bit about keeping the same team against against Derby the difference between us.

I believe the team HAS to change against Derby, and yes, Whittingham just has to included from the start but absolutely not in the CM quarterback role that RS has him playing. Without doubt Joe Ralls today has shown everyone that he is a CM player with a performance full of desire, energy and quality and he must be given a run of games in that role.

For me Whittingham needs to be in the team in his best position of wide left midfield because at least with the quality of his passing, crossing and shooting you get an end product. Today neither Pilkington and in particular Noone delivered any end product from the wide positions. In fact despite a high energy performance from Noone the reality is today on countless occasions he just lost possession and against Derby away we simply cannot risk that.

Also if Saadi is anything near match fit he needs to replace Joe Mason who looks miles off the pace at this moment and is offering nothing.

We are all happier tonight because we have won, the team played well and showed at great deal of desire for the 90 minutes but, without a superb performance by Marshall is could have been a very different result.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Whittingham too slow, doesn't cut the mustard. For wide midfield look no fufther than Kennedy. Mason is fine.

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:49 pm

City Slicker wrote:
castleblue wrote:I agree with virtually everything you say there Carl with just the bit about keeping the same team against against Derby the difference between us.

I believe the team HAS to change against Derby, and yes, Whittingham just has to included from the start but absolutely not in the CM quarterback role that RS has him playing. Without doubt Joe Ralls today has shown everyone that he is a CM player with a performance full of desire, energy and quality and he must be given a run of games in that role.

For me Whittingham needs to be in the team in his best position of wide left midfield because at least with the quality of his passing, crossing and shooting you get an end product. Today neither Pilkington and in particular Noone delivered any end product from the wide positions. In fact despite a high energy performance from Noone the reality is today on countless occasions he just lost possession and against Derby away we simply cannot risk that.

Also if Saadi is anything near match fit he needs to replace Joe Mason who looks miles off the pace at this moment and is offering nothing.

We are all happier tonight because we have won, the team played well and showed at great deal of desire for the 90 minutes but, without a superb performance by Marshall is could have been a very different result.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Whittingham too slow, doesn't cut the mustard. For wide midfield look no fufther than Kennedy. Mason is fine.


Compared to Noone Whitts is slow no doubt about that but when it comes to quality of passing, crossing, shooting and more importantly keeping hold of the ball there is absolutely no comparison as Whitts wins hands down.

Mason isn't fine and right now is contributing little.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:57 pm

castleblue wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
castleblue wrote:I agree with virtually everything you say there Carl with just the bit about keeping the same team against against Derby the difference between us.

I believe the team HAS to change against Derby, and yes, Whittingham just has to included from the start but absolutely not in the CM quarterback role that RS has him playing. Without doubt Joe Ralls today has shown everyone that he is a CM player with a performance full of desire, energy and quality and he must be given a run of games in that role.

For me Whittingham needs to be in the team in his best position of wide left midfield because at least with the quality of his passing, crossing and shooting you get an end product. Today neither Pilkington and in particular Noone delivered any end product from the wide positions. In fact despite a high energy performance from Noone the reality is today on countless occasions he just lost possession and against Derby away we simply cannot risk that.

Also if Saadi is anything near match fit he needs to replace Joe Mason who looks miles off the pace at this moment and is offering nothing.

We are all happier tonight because we have won, the team played well and showed at great deal of desire for the 90 minutes but, without a superb performance by Marshall is could have been a very different result.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Whittingham too slow, doesn't cut the mustard. For wide midfield look no fufther than Kennedy. Mason is fine.


Compared to Noone Whitts is slow no doubt about that but when it comes to quality of passing, crossing, shooting and more importantly keeping hold of the ball there is absolutely no comparison as Whitts wins hands down.

Mason isn't fine and right now is contributing little.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Sorry disagree on all accounts but each to their own :thumbup:

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:09 pm

I thought that Mason had a poor game today, but everyone is entitled to an off day.

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:21 pm

Good post Carl. When I went to the MK Dons game Ralls was in centre mid and he ran the show. When he went off we were 1 up. As soon as he went off the game changed and we ended up losing.

Ralls is destined for the top. We need to use him in his best position which is in the middle. If this means that Whitts is put on bench then so be it. Whitts is a good player but maybe it's time to say thanks for the memories and loyal service and let him go on to a fresh challenge.

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:22 pm

Gareth (Wilts) wrote:Good post Carl. When I went to the MK Dons game Ralls was in centre mid and he ran the show. When he went off we were 1 up. As soon as he went off the game changed and we ended up losing.

Ralls is destined for the top. We need to use him in his best position which is in the middle. If this means that Whitts is put on bench then so be it. Whitts is a good player but maybe it's time to say thanks for the memories and loyal service and let him go on to a fresh challenge.


I think you are right there or play Whitts on the wing.

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:23 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:Yes it's a good win, and always nice to get three points. But Reading have been on a poor run recently too.

Slade is still under pressure.

The question we all have to ask is, do you think Slade is the right man for Cardiff City? You only have to look at the poll on here this week for the answer.

Saying our manager is under pressure years ago while being where we are in any league wouldn't even come in to question back then that's how fucked up football has changed. :bluescarf:

If we was in the bottom four id get it but this forum is bizzare these days :laughing6:

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:04 pm

Bluebird1977 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Yes it's a good win, and always nice to get three points. But Reading have been on a poor run recently too.

Slade is still under pressure.

The question we all have to ask is, do you think Slade is the right man for Cardiff City? You only have to look at the poll on here this week for the answer.

Saying our manager is under pressure years ago while being where we are in any league wouldn't even come in to question back then that's how fucked up football has changed. :bluescarf:

If we was in the bottom four id get it but this forum is bizzare these days :laughing6:


Yes - they always put a negative twist on any positive story :shock:

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:47 pm

Big win, he does get results Slade, but not all the time.

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:02 pm

Marshall man of the Match again. Sack Slade now or put him upstairs.
Get Bellemy in ASAP. Passion/youth a chance/knowledge.

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:09 pm

City Slicker wrote:
castleblue wrote:I agree with virtually everything you say there Carl with just the bit about keeping the same team against against Derby the difference between us.

I believe the team HAS to change against Derby, and yes, Whittingham just has to included from the start but absolutely not in the CM quarterback role that RS has him playing. Without doubt Joe Ralls today has shown everyone that he is a CM player with a performance full of desire, energy and quality and he must be given a run of games in that role.

For me Whittingham needs to be in the team in his best position of wide left midfield because at least with the quality of his passing, crossing and shooting you get an end product. Today neither Pilkington and in particular Noone delivered any end product from the wide positions. In fact despite a high energy performance from Noone the reality is today on countless occasions he just lost possession and against Derby away we simply cannot risk that.

Also if Saadi is anything near match fit he needs to replace Joe Mason who looks miles off the pace at this moment and is offering nothing.

We are all happier tonight because we have won, the team played well and showed at great deal of desire for the 90 minutes but, without a superb performance by Marshall is could have been a very different result.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Whittingham too slow, doesn't cut the mustard. For wide midfield look no fufther than Kennedy. Mason is fine.

Your post lost all credibility when you said Mason is fine ...... simply not up to this level ..... lower league player at best

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:28 pm

carlccfc wrote:That was a welcome returning to scoring and winning but before we start saying things are all rosy in the garden it is far from it.

Our two goals today, despite both being very good finishes from Kenwyne and Connolly, they were both set pieces and that is my biggest concern.

We are not creating enough chances in open play but today's performance was far better than we have seen for some time.

It was 9 hours and 35 minutes since a City player scored before Kenwyne ended the drought after 44 minutes this afternoon.

What pleased me most today was that Slade finally conceded to playing Joe Ralls in the middle, we can argue that with Whittingham out through suspension that Ralls would get his chance but the horrible truth is that most of us have been saying since last season that Ralls is a centre midfielder but Slade would not give the youngster the opportunity.

Well today Mr Slade it proved that fans understand football too and the question is why have you waited so long to play Ralls in his most obvious position.

We did have a few opportunities throughout to score from open play, once and probably the best chance came through a bit of luck for Gunnarsson but he pulled his effort wide.

Gunnarsson and Ralls provided energy and tempo that has desperately been missing from our midfield for a long time, even before Slade was appointed, and if Whittingham regains his place against Derby in the middle of the park then I am sorry to say but Slade will prove to me with no doubt that he has very little idea of what the team needs.

Hopefully the manager will at least keep the same side against Derby and if all goes well we can start to build consistency into our performances, results are hard to swallow when they don't go your way but poor performances, which City fans have witnessed recently, are much more difficult to comprehend.

I want to finish being positive and that is that we got goals this afternoon, kept a clean sheet again thanks mainly to David Marshall and we are one place and just one win from the play offs, there is plenty in this season for us to push and play for, I believe we have the squad capable of doing something this season and after taking four points from Preston and Middlesbrough in the space of four days I said to friends then that I believed Slade would get us to the play offs.

The Bristol City and Leeds performances knocked my belief slightly but overall defensively the manager has made us solid, today showed that there are goals in the team, albeit from set pieces, now he just has to get the attacking part of the side working, today is a start, let's see if there is more improvement against Derby and Burnley.


Fully agree :thumbup:

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:51 pm

Whitts needs a break for a while - at least give players like Ralls / Kennedy and Pilkington a chance to show what they can do - it's up to them to prove they offer something alternative / better

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:41 pm

carlccfc wrote:That was a welcome returning to scoring and winning but before we start saying things are all rosy in the garden it is far from it.

Our two goals today, despite both being very good finishes from Kenwyne and Connolly, they were both set pieces and that is my biggest concern.

We are not creating enough chances in open play but today's performance was far better than we have seen for some time.

It was 9 hours and 35 minutes since a City player scored before Kenwyne ended the drought after 44 minutes this afternoon.

What pleased me most today was that Slade finally conceded to playing Joe Ralls in the middle, we can argue that with Whittingham out through suspension that Ralls would get his chance but the horrible truth is that most of us have been saying since last season that Ralls is a centre midfielder but Slade would not give the youngster the opportunity.

Well today Mr Slade it proved that fans understand football too and the question is why have you waited so long to play Ralls in his most obvious position.

We did have a few opportunities throughout to score from open play, once and probably the best chance came through a bit of luck for Gunnarsson but he pulled his effort wide.

Gunnarsson and Ralls provided energy and tempo that has desperately been missing from our midfield for a long time, even before Slade was appointed, and if Whittingham regains his place against Derby in the middle of the park then I am sorry to say but Slade will prove to me with no doubt that he has very little idea of what the team needs.

Hopefully the manager will at least keep the same side against Derby and if all goes well we can start to build consistency into our performances, results are hard to swallow when they don't go your way but poor performances, which City fans have witnessed recently, are much more difficult to comprehend.

I want to finish being positive and that is that we got goals this afternoon, kept a clean sheet again thanks mainly to David Marshall and we are one place and just one win from the play offs, there is plenty in this season for us to push and play for, I believe we have the squad capable of doing something this season and after taking four points from Preston and Middlesbrough in the space of four days I said to friends then that I believed Slade would get us to the play offs.

The Bristol City and Leeds performances knocked my belief slightly but overall defensively the manager has made us solid, today showed that there are goals in the team, albeit from set pieces, now he just has to get the attacking part of the side working, today is a start, let's see if there is more improvement against Derby and Burnley.


Soon as digachio and whitts back he will b back on the wing

Only way to accommodate all 3 is with a 5-3-2 IMO

Re: ' A WELCOME WIN BUT ALL IS NOT GREAT '

Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:52 pm

smakerzthebluebird wrote:
carlccfc wrote:That was a welcome returning to scoring and winning but before we start saying things are all rosy in the garden it is far from it.

Our two goals today, despite both being very good finishes from Kenwyne and Connolly, they were both set pieces and that is my biggest concern.

We are not creating enough chances in open play but today's performance was far better than we have seen for some time.

It was 9 hours and 35 minutes since a City player scored before Kenwyne ended the drought after 44 minutes this afternoon.

What pleased me most today was that Slade finally conceded to playing Joe Ralls in the middle, we can argue that with Whittingham out through suspension that Ralls would get his chance but the horrible truth is that most of us have been saying since last season that Ralls is a centre midfielder but Slade would not give the youngster the opportunity.

Well today Mr Slade it proved that fans understand football too and the question is why have you waited so long to play Ralls in his most obvious position.

We did have a few opportunities throughout to score from open play, once and probably the best chance came through a bit of luck for Gunnarsson but he pulled his effort wide.

Gunnarsson and Ralls provided energy and tempo that has desperately been missing from our midfield for a long time, even before Slade was appointed, and if Whittingham regains his place against Derby in the middle of the park then I am sorry to say but Slade will prove to me with no doubt that he has very little idea of what the team needs.

Hopefully the manager will at least keep the same side against Derby and if all goes well we can start to build consistency into our performances, results are hard to swallow when they don't go your way but poor performances, which City fans have witnessed recently, are much more difficult to comprehend.

I want to finish being positive and that is that we got goals this afternoon, kept a clean sheet again thanks mainly to David Marshall and we are one place and just one win from the play offs, there is plenty in this season for us to push and play for, I believe we have the squad capable of doing something this season and after taking four points from Preston and Middlesbrough in the space of four days I said to friends then that I believed Slade would get us to the play offs.

The Bristol City and Leeds performances knocked my belief slightly but overall defensively the manager has made us solid, today showed that there are goals in the team, albeit from set pieces, now he just has to get the attacking part of the side working, today is a start, let's see if there is more improvement against Derby and Burnley.


Soon as digachio and whitts back he will b back on the wing

Only way to accommodate all 3 is with a 5-3-2 IMO[/quote
Correct! That indicates how poor he is. Why can't he see what everyone else can> :sladeout: