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Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:04 pm
How can people say "Refugees Go back home"
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Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:07 pm
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Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:22 pm
Who is telling anyone to go back home?
Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:39 pm
The world has gone mad, the human race has lost the plot. Everywhere you look, there is absolute carnage going on. If only we could stop all this madness
Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:33 am
Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:26 am
Perhaps it's best to leave dictators in place rather than trying to give other countries residents more freedom, I don't see us trying to rid African countries of there dictatorships as the Chinese are now providing the countries with schools, roads etc to then strip them of any resource they have
If we didn't get involved with bringing down gaddafi etc this wouldn't be happening.
There are plenty of countries around the world where you can't speak against the so called elite especially Russia and who have shameful regimes but were not bombing them to bring them down.
We should allow Syrians in and not sit watching what's happening without doing much accept providing them with tents
Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:55 am
Miller time wrote:Perhaps it's best to leave dictators in place rather than trying to give other countries residents more freedom, I don't see us trying to rid African countries of there dictatorships as the Chinese are now providing the countries with schools, roads etc to then strip them of any resource they have
If we didn't get involved with bringing down gaddafi etc this wouldn't be happening.
There are plenty of countries around the world where you can't speak against the so called elite especially Russia and who have shameful regimes but were not bombing them to bring them down.
We should allow Syrians in and not sit watching what's happening without doing much accept providing them with tents
I think this is a really sensible post. I am a member of Amnesty International and have my own personal views on refugees. But, at the same time, I also take the view that we are very quick to get into some of these countries without having a solution when the inevitable vacuum happens. Because whenever you leave a country without a leader a vacuum will happen and a vacuum of violence will also happen.
Libya is a perfect example. Country was run by a dictator. The lifestyle might not have been for most of us but he ruled his country since 1969. It was only when there was talk of the Gold Dinar, and the threat this would have on the world economy, that there was talk of getting rid of him. And sure enough it created a vacuum where ISIS walked in.
Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:59 am
True refugees , the ones who made it to a safe country and followed the rules of asylum , Should be helped .
Most of the people invading western Europe are not refugees they are economic migrants taking advantage of an awful situation in Syria . Take a look at the difference between the refugees in the camps in Hungary and bordering safe country's who are over the moon to be safe with their family's .
Then look at the groups of young men forcing and chanting their way from country to country until they get what they want . If they were true refugees they wouldn't care about what country they get to . Most are just after a free ride in Germany or the uk They should be turned around and sent home .
This is not just simply a refugee crisis , it is a national security problem as well .
Only allow in refugees from official camps that have registered and have proven they are from where they say they are ,On the condition that they do not get automatic rights to stay in the country and will go home when safe to do so .
The rest should be sent home ASAP . They are committing criminal acts , doing as they want and are showing no respect for the people trying to help them .
Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:49 am
There are 4million displaced Syrians! So let Europe take them all oh don't forget the millions of other refuges or migrants waiting to come over when public symaphy is at its highest! If make it easy for them its open season for rest to try come here/Europe.
Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:09 am
Miller time wrote:Perhaps it's best to leave dictators in place rather than trying to give other countries residents more freedom, I don't see us trying to rid African countries of there dictatorships as the Chinese are now providing the countries with schools, roads etc to then strip them of any resource they have
If we didn't get involved with bringing down gaddafi etc this wouldn't be happening.
There are plenty of countries around the world where you can't speak against the so called elite especially Russia and who have shameful regimes but were not bombing them to bring them down.
We should allow Syrians in and not sit watching what's happening without doing much accept providing them with tents
Sounds great.One question.How many can you fit into your home?How many are you willing to take in?There are many British people waiting for homes.
Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:10 am
They say it because they are inhumane entitled prats spoilt by western civilisation and have lost their compassion for fellow human beings. That is the cold truth. Western civilisation has turned society to focus on things rather than people.
Notice how Jordan has taken 1.5 million refugees in with little news coverage. It has massive camps set up for them and is doing its best to provide for them. The UK since 2011 has taken in 5000. An absolute embarrassment and disgrace.
Cue the bigoted morons abuse me and others from a platform of privilege.
Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:16 am
I wonder what these migrants want as it's sure not food or water.
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Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:39 am
balkanblue wrote:They say it because they are inhumane entitled prats spoilt by western civilisation and have lost their compassion for fellow human beings. That is the cold truth. Western civilisation has turned society to focus on things rather than people.
Notice how Jordan has taken 1.5 million refugees in with little news coverage. It has massive camps set up for them and is doing its best to provide for them. The UK since 2011 has taken in 5000. An absolute embarrassment and disgrace.
Cue the bigoted morons abuse me and others from a platform of privilege.
Pound for pound our foreign aid budget has out stripped most other countries including the USA for donkeys years.This also includes a sizable donation to Jordan to help with the problems you mention.We have nothing to be ashamed of.Its a shame that that bastion of free enterprise(The Balkan states)don't have the same attitude.Your stance is also a tad surprising given less than a month ago you were dissing the welfare state operated in this country for the less fortunate.
Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:48 am
I think we should kick out all the Romanians so we can fit this lot in lol in all seriousness though, with the amount of refugees, and imogrents that are now trying to flood into Europe Britain, there is no way of controlling who is actually entering the UK. I mean how many terrorist, rapists murderers theiving kunts are hiding in amongst this lot. Let's help the woman and children by all means, but all these young fighting fit men, should be in Syria fighting for their country
Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:16 am
mr'mogreenz wrote:I think we should kick out all the Romanians so we can fit this lot in lol in all seriousness though, with the amount of refugees, and imogrents that are now trying to flood into Europe Britain, there is no way of controlling who is actually entering the UK. I mean how many terrorist, rapists murderers theiving kunts are hiding in amongst this lot. Let's help the woman and children by all means, but all these young fighting fit men, should be in Syria fighting for their country
ISIS did say months ago they'd flood Europe with fighters and Europe have ignored their warning. Instead of checking everyone they've just opened the gates and said welcome. I expect the authorities are looking out for bearded men dressed in black and carrying AK-47 assault rifles.
Who knows where this one is now.
Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:20 am
Brighton & Hove Albion wrote:mr'mogreenz wrote:I think we should kick out all the Romanians so we can fit this lot in lol in all seriousness though, with the amount of refugees, and imogrents that are now trying to flood into Europe Britain, there is no way of controlling who is actually entering the UK. I mean how many terrorist, rapists murderers theiving kunts are hiding in amongst this lot. Let's help the woman and children by all means, but all these young fighting fit men, should be in Syria fighting for their country
ISIS did say months ago they'd flood Europe with fighters and Europe have ignored their warning. Instead of checking everyone they've just opened the gates and said welcome. I expect the authorities are looking out for bearded men dressed in black and carrying AK-47 assault rifles.
Who knows where this one is now.

The Russians did it during the Cold War and gave them the title "sleeping agents". They are still here as well.
Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:56 am
Nothing like war mongering propaganda to get the masses supporting your warped ideology.
Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:23 am
I think the Turkish plan is the best one :-
Create a 200 mile safe zone inside Syria - on the Turkish border.
EU countries to provide the food / shelter and more importantly a no fly zone backed up with an army that stops any attack from either Assad or from ISIS (Very similar to the West giving Jewish people an Israeli state)
Syria is a failed state now - it was created by the French post WW2 anyway - it's not based on any particular 'tribe' or religion.
To re house millions and millions of people in Germany / UK / Europe etc is not practical.
If I was seeking refuge from war - I would go to the nearest and safest country - in this case Turkey or Jordan. If you were already in Turkey - then you are not in a war zone, you are not being persecuted or shot at etc.
If Wales was invaded by the Irish - I would leave but I wouldnt travel as far away as Russia - I would go to Scotland or England.
I feel desperatley sorry for all these people - and their but for the grace of God etc - they need to be given help - food - shelter and protection where they are first and foremost.
ps - Where is Russia ? , where is China, where is Saudi Arabia and the other muslim countries in all of this - those are countries and their leaders are the real villains in all of this.
Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:54 am
We're being asked if we have spare rooms for migrants. Have you any spare for any?
Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:07 pm
spinks wrote:I think the Turkish plan is the best one :-
Create a 200 mile safe zone inside Syria - on the Turkish border.
EU countries to provide the food / shelter and more importantly a no fly zone backed up with an army that stops any attack from either Assad or from ISIS (Very similar to the West giving Jewish people an Israeli state)
Syria is a failed state now - it was created by the French post WW2 anyway - it's not based on any particular 'tribe' or religion.
To re house millions and millions of people in Germany / UK / Europe etc is not practical.
If I was seeking refuge from war - I would go to the nearest and safest country - in this case Turkey or Jordan. If you were already in Turkey - then you are not in a war zone, you are not being persecuted or shot at etc.
If Wales was invaded by the Irish - I would leave but I wouldnt travel as far away as Russia - I would go to Scotland or England.
I feel desperatley sorry for all these people - and their but for the grace of God etc - they need to be given help - food - shelter and protection where they are first and foremost.
ps - Where is Russia ? , where is China, where is Saudi Arabia and the other muslim countries in all of this - those are countries and their leaders are the real villains in all of this.
The Russians are supporting the Syrian government, the Muslim countries are all supporting one faction or another in the civil war. Not sure about China, though. Don't think that they have any particular vested interest. Enough problems in their own neck of the woods.
Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:09 pm
Brighton & Hove Albion wrote:We're being asked if we have spare rooms for migrants. Have you any spare for any?
I know the liberals like the BBC and Sky love showing peaceful Muslims etc but honestly, do you want these Muslims here?, Where are all the women and children?
Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:34 pm
balkanblue wrote:Nothing like war mongering propaganda to get the masses supporting your warped ideology.

It's not fiction but reality. Stop reading and watching the BBC and Sky news and the Gurdian newspaper. They're playing on your emotions. 95% of the refugees are economic migrants. 60% in Hungary are wealthier than the locals.
Germany is heading for carnage. 800,000 this year and they predict 1.2 million next year. Sweden give automatic residency to migrants. Sweden is rape capital of Europe and carried out by 99% Muslims.
The press hide from the public barbaric activities that are going on as they're politically correct. Go and search and you'll see what's happening and what is in store.
Europe have opened the doors and this migration is the tip of the iceberg. The lefties are not worried but I am and so should all the UK citizens.
Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:42 pm
balkanblue wrote:They say it because they are inhumane entitled prats spoilt by western civilisation and have lost their compassion for fellow human beings. That is the cold truth. Western civilisation has turned society to focus on things rather than people.
Notice how Jordan has taken 1.5 million refugees in with little news coverage. It has massive camps set up for them and is doing its best to provide for them. The UK since 2011 has taken in 5000. An absolute embarrassment and disgrace.
Cue the bigoted morons abuse me and others from a platform of privilege.
You don't have a monopoly on compassion and humane sensitivities, just because others believe that there is another way of dealing with this crisis.
I notice you have cast a wide net and abused others before anyone has abused you.
I also notice that you have no answers just outrage.
You mention Western Civilisations without mentioning that the Middle East, Syria being in Western Asia has seen constant warring and hate between different factions for centuries long before Bush and Blair were ever involved.
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