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WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:02 pm

WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY


Vincent Tan will meet Russell Slade,Vincent Tan has the final say at Cardiff City

By Terry Phillips

Friday 28th August 2015

The Bluebirds’ four-man transfer committee has been in full session for well over a year now, often staying in contact by telephone and video link.


Who is part of Cardiff City’s transfer committee?

Cardiff City owner Vincent Tan
Club owner Vincent Tan, who is usually based in Malaysia. Plays a full part on the transfer committee - and comes up with his own ideas.

Chairman Mehmet Dalman, who lives and works in London. He is a regular visitor to Cardiff on matchdays and other occasions. Director who has powers to make executive decisions. Plays a leading role in transfer negotiations.

Chief executive Ken Choo, who works from Cardiff City Stadium. He runs the non-football side: finance, operations, commercial, legal, communications, human resources.

Manager Russell Slade, whose main base is at City’s Vale of Glamorgan Resort training headquarters working with his squad.




Why and when was it set up?
Ken Choo and Mehmet DalmanKen Choo and Mehmet Dalman
During the summer of 2014 when chairman Mehmet Dalman took on a new executive role, working closely with Vincent Tan.

At the time they were joined by manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and Choo, who was general manager at that stage and is now chief executive.


The quartet hold the key to Bluebirds’ transfers and all of them have to agree before any new player is signed.

A major reason it was set up was the issues Tan and former boss Malky Mackay had over players signed, particularly £8m flop Andrea Cornelius.

Explaining the new committee, Dalman said: “We have a transfer committee to ensure we have full transparency.

“Both the owner and manager can see exactly what is happening and are part of every decision.

“Ultimately, of course, unless the manager agrees we would not go ahead with a proposed deal.

“But it is crucial that all transfer dealings are open and transparent.”

Read more: Cardiff City press conference LIVE: Breaking news as Russell Slade faces the media

Who decides on targets?

All four members of the committee can put forward the names of players they feel would strengthen Cardiff’s squad.

Tan clearly holds strong opinions and puts forward possible signings, but he has said that all four must agree before a deal is done.

Slade also has a big input and Dalman has said that unless the manager agrees the committee would not go ahead with a proposed transfer.






Who deals with the negotiations?


Chairman Mehmet Dalman has played a major role in negotiations. He flew to France to conduct negotiations with Lorient when Bruno Manga, City’s player of the year last season, was brought in.

The transfer fee was £3.5m, which was some way lower than the wrongly reported £5m.

Dalman was also the key man in bringing Sammy Ameobi to Cardiff on loan from Newcastle. Wolves were hot favourites to snap up Ameobi, but Dalman spoke to Newcastle manager Steve McClaren and then the player to convince them Cardiff was the right place to be.


Tan and Choo have a big say on how much money is available to sign players and the chief executive works closely with Dalman.

Slade’s focus is on football and once a target has been identified and accepted by the committee he lets Choo and Dalman get on with negotiations. He is, though, kept informed.






Who has the final say on arrivals and departures?

Vincent Tan, clearly, holds the power at Cardiff City, but he has also made it clear he wants transfers to be dealt with in the right way.

The agreement is that there must be full transparency and that all four members must agree before City sign anybody. Manager Slade has a strong voice if he doesn’t feel a player is right for Cardiff, while Choo will advise on the financial side.

Dalman leads negotiations once transfer talks start and he, too, has major influence on signings.





How often is Vincent Tan in contact with the rest of the committee?
It’s clear he takes a big interest in Cardiff City and speaks to all members of the committee on a regular basis at least.

He has a daily input through Choo, speaks to Dalman two or three times a week and often chats to Slade.



' Examples of how committee has worked/hasn’t worked '

Bruno Ecuele Manga was player of the season last year

Positives: Bruno Manga, City’s player of the year last season, and Sammy Ameobi are good examples of the committee deciding on the men they wanted to sign and going flat out to bring them in. Captain Sean Morrison and winger Anthony Pilkington are other positive examples.

Negatives: Adam Le Fondre, Guido Burgstaller, Javi Guerra, Tom Adeyemi. No explanation required here.

Guido Burgstaller flopped
23 players brought in by the committee:
Bruno Manga (from Lorient, £3.5m)

Sean Morrison (Reading, £2.5m)

Adam Le Fondre (Reading, £2.17m)

Tom Adeyemi (Birmingham City, £800,000)

Anthony Pilkington (Norwich City, £875,000)

Stuart O’Keefe (Crystal Palace, £400,000)

Guido Burgstaller (Rapid Vienna, £500,000)

Alex Revell (Rotherham United, £158,000)

Scott Malone (Millwall, £90,000)

Kagisho Dikgacoi (Crystal Palace, free transfer)

Federico Macheda (Manchester United, free transfer)

Javi Guerra (Real Valladolid CF, free transfer)

Danny Gabbidon (Crystal Palace, free transfer)

Ravel Morrison (West Ham, loan)

Conor McAleny (Everton, loan)

Semi Ajayi (Arsenal, loan)

Lee Peltier (Huddersfield, small fee)

Matthew Kennedy (Everton, small fee)

Eoin Doyle (Chesterfield, £400,000 plus add-ons)

Sammy Ameobi (Newcastle, loan)

Jordan Blaise (Bordeaux, free)

Semi Ajayi (Arsenal, free)

Gabriel Tamas (Steaua Bucharest, free)

Total fees spent: £11.39m



21 senior players out:
Steven Caulker (to QPR, £8m)

Gary Medel (Inter Milan, £6m)

Jordon Mutch (QPR, £5m)

John Brayford (Sheffield United, £1.6m)

Mats Daehli (SC Freiburg, £1m)

Fraizer Campbell (Crystal Palace, £800,000)

Kenwyne Jones (Bournemouth, loan fee £600,000)

Don Cowie (Wigan Athletic, free transfer)

Jo Inge Berget (Malmo, free transfer)

Simon Lappin (St Johnstone, free transfer)

Kevin Catherine (Saint-Etienne, loan)

Tommy Smith (Brentford, free)

Matthew Connolly (Watford, loan)

Magnus Wolff Eikrem (Malmo, free)

Juan Cala (Granada CF, free)

Guido Burgstaller (Nuremberg, free)

Filip Kiss (Ross County and now Haugusund, loan)

Andrew Taylor (Wigan Athletic, free)

Kevin McNaughton (Wigan Athletic, free)

Mark Hudson (Huddersfield, nominal fee)

Kim Bo-kyung (unattached, contract terminated by mutual consent)

Transfer fees brought in by committee: £23m

Re: WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:08 pm

Gary medal wasn't 6 m also we sold the French lad for 1 m this year

Re: WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:14 pm

Whatever happened to signing good young hungry British players from lower league clubs like all the top clubs did for years must be lots out there !!!!

Re: WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:18 pm

Its safe to say they all have input obviously tan can have final say but does he all the time? Don't think so if Slade stays in budgets set! But one thing for sure its working as we seem to be stabilising and so far not gone backwards playing wise, In fact so far looks promising. :thumbup:
PS and we are just one of a growing number using comittees to decide Ins and out player wise. :old:

Re: WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:21 pm

wez1927 wrote:Gary medal wasn't 6 m also we sold the French lad for 1 m this year


Wez, Terry Phillips is going to make mistakes.

I was more interested in how the decisions are really made :ayatollah:

Re: WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:23 pm

Forever Blue wrote:WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY


Vincent Tan will meet Russell Slade,Vincent Tan has the final say at Cardiff City

By Terry Phillips

Friday 28th August 2015

The Bluebirds’ four-man transfer committee has been in full session for well over a year now, often staying in contact by telephone and video link.


Who is part of Cardiff City’s transfer committee?

Cardiff City owner Vincent Tan
Club owner Vincent Tan, who is usually based in Malaysia. Plays a full part on the transfer committee - and comes up with his own ideas.

Chairman Mehmet Dalman, who lives and works in London. He is a regular visitor to Cardiff on matchdays and other occasions. Director who has powers to make executive decisions. Plays a leading role in transfer negotiations.

Chief executive Ken Choo, who works from Cardiff City Stadium. He runs the non-football side: finance, operations, commercial, legal, communications, human resources.

Manager Russell Slade, whose main base is at City’s Vale of Glamorgan Resort training headquarters working with his squad.




Why and when was it set up?
Ken Choo and Mehmet DalmanKen Choo and Mehmet Dalman
During the summer of 2014 when chairman Mehmet Dalman took on a new executive role, working closely with Vincent Tan.

At the time they were joined by manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and Choo, who was general manager at that stage and is now chief executive.


The quartet hold the key to Bluebirds’ transfers and all of them have to agree before any new player is signed.

A major reason it was set up was the issues Tan and former boss Malky Mackay had over players signed, particularly £8m flop Andrea Cornelius.

Explaining the new committee, Dalman said: “We have a transfer committee to ensure we have full transparency.

“Both the owner and manager can see exactly what is happening and are part of every decision.

“Ultimately, of course, unless the manager agrees we would not go ahead with a proposed deal.

“But it is crucial that all transfer dealings are open and transparent.”

Read more: Cardiff City press conference LIVE: Breaking news as Russell Slade faces the media

Who decides on targets?

All four members of the committee can put forward the names of players they feel would strengthen Cardiff’s squad.

Tan clearly holds strong opinions and puts forward possible signings, but he has said that all four must agree before a deal is done.

Slade also has a big input and Dalman has said that unless the manager agrees the committee would not go ahead with a proposed transfer.






Who deals with the negotiations?


Chairman Mehmet Dalman has played a major role in negotiations. He flew to France to conduct negotiations with Lorient when Bruno Manga, City’s player of the year last season, was brought in.

The transfer fee was £3.5m, which was some way lower than the wrongly reported £5m.

Dalman was also the key man in bringing Sammy Ameobi to Cardiff on loan from Newcastle. Wolves were hot favourites to snap up Ameobi, but Dalman spoke to Newcastle manager Steve McClaren and then the player to convince them Cardiff was the right place to be.


Tan and Choo have a big say on how much money is available to sign players and the chief executive works closely with Dalman.

Slade’s focus is on football and once a target has been identified and accepted by the committee he lets Choo and Dalman get on with negotiations. He is, though, kept informed.






Who has the final say on arrivals and departures?

Vincent Tan, clearly, holds the power at Cardiff City, but he has also made it clear he wants transfers to be dealt with in the right way.

The agreement is that there must be full transparency and that all four members must agree before City sign anybody. Manager Slade has a strong voice if he doesn’t feel a player is right for Cardiff, while Choo will advise on the financial side.

Dalman leads negotiations once transfer talks start and he, too, has major influence on signings.





How often is Vincent Tan in contact with the rest of the committee?
It’s clear he takes a big interest in Cardiff City and speaks to all members of the committee on a regular basis at least.

He has a daily input through Choo, speaks to Dalman two or three times a week and often chats to Slade.



' Examples of how committee has worked/hasn’t worked '

Bruno Ecuele Manga was player of the season last year

Positives: Bruno Manga, City’s player of the year last season, and Sammy Ameobi are good examples of the committee deciding on the men they wanted to sign and going flat out to bring them in. Captain Sean Morrison and winger Anthony Pilkington are other positive examples.

Negatives: Adam Le Fondre, Guido Burgstaller, Javi Guerra, Tom Adeyemi. No explanation required here.

Guido Burgstaller flopped
23 players brought in by the committee:
Bruno Manga (from Lorient, £3.5m)

Sean Morrison (Reading, £2.5m)

Adam Le Fondre (Reading, £2.17m)

Tom Adeyemi (Birmingham City, £800,000)

Anthony Pilkington (Norwich City, £875,000)

Stuart O’Keefe (Crystal Palace, £400,000)

Guido Burgstaller (Rapid Vienna, £500,000)

Alex Revell (Rotherham United, £158,000)

Scott Malone (Millwall, £90,000)

Kagisho Dikgacoi (Crystal Palace, free transfer)

Federico Macheda (Manchester United, free transfer)

Javi Guerra (Real Valladolid CF, free transfer)

Danny Gabbidon (Crystal Palace, free transfer)

Ravel Morrison (West Ham, loan)

Conor McAleny (Everton, loan)

Semi Ajayi (Arsenal, loan)

Lee Peltier (Huddersfield, small fee)

Matthew Kennedy (Everton, small fee)

Eoin Doyle (Chesterfield, £400,000 plus add-ons)

Sammy Ameobi (Newcastle, loan)

Jordan Blaise (Bordeaux, free)

Semi Ajayi (Arsenal, free)

Gabriel Tamas (Steaua Bucharest, free)

Total fees spent: £11.39m



22 senior players out:
Steven Caulker (to QPR, £8m)

Gary Medel (Inter Milan, £10m)

Jordon Mutch (QPR, £5m)

John Brayford (Sheffield United, £1.6m)

Kevin Theophile-Catherine,1.45)

Mats Daehli (SC Freiburg, £1m)

Fraizer Campbell (Crystal Palace, £800,000)

Kenwyne Jones (Bournemouth, loan fee £600,000)

Don Cowie (Wigan Athletic, free transfer)

Jo Inge Berget (Malmo, free transfer)

Simon Lappin (St Johnstone, free transfer)

Kevin Catherine (Saint-Etienne, loan)

Tommy Smith (Brentford, free)

Matthew Connolly (Watford, loan)

Magnus Wolff Eikrem (Malmo, free)

Juan Cala (Granada CF, free)

Guido Burgstaller (Nuremberg, free)

Filip Kiss (Ross County and now Haugusund, loan)

Andrew Taylor (Wigan Athletic, free)

Kevin McNaughton (Wigan Athletic, free)

Mark Hudson (Huddersfield, nominal fee)

Kim Bo-kyung (unattached, contract terminated by mutual consent)

Transfer fees brought in by committee: £28.45m


Negatives: Adam Le Fondre, Guido Burgstaller, Javi Guerra, Tom Adeyemi. No explanation required here.

Guido Burgstaller flopped
23 players brought in by the committee:
Bruno Manga (from Lorient, £3.5m)

Sean Morrison (Reading, £2.5m)

Adam Le Fondre (Reading, £2.17m)

Tom Adeyemi (Birmingham City, £800,000)

Anthony Pilkington (Norwich City, £875,000)

Stuart O’Keefe (Crystal Palace, £400,000)

Guido Burgstaller (Rapid Vienna, £500,000)

Alex Revell (Rotherham United, £158,000)

Scott Malone (Millwall, £90,000)

Kagisho Dikgacoi (Crystal Palace, free transfer)

Federico Macheda (Manchester United, free transfer)

Javi Guerra (Real Valladolid CF, free transfer)

Danny Gabbidon (Crystal Palace, free transfer)

Ravel Morrison (West Ham, loan)

Conor McAleny (Everton, loan)

Semi Ajayi (Arsenal, loan)

Lee Peltier (Huddersfield, small fee)

Matthew Kennedy (Everton, small fee)

Eoin Doyle (Chesterfield, £400,000 plus add-ons)

Sammy Ameobi (Newcastle, loan)

Jordan Blaise (Bordeaux, free)

Semi Ajayi (Arsenal, free)

Gabriel Tamas (Steaua Bucharest, free)

Total fees spent: £11.39m



21 senior players out:
Steven Caulker (to QPR, £8m)

Gary Medel (Inter Milan, £6m)

Jordon Mutch (QPR, £5m)

John Brayford (Sheffield United, £1.6m)

Mats Daehli (SC Freiburg, £1m)

Fraizer Campbell (Crystal Palace, £800,000)

Kenwyne Jones (Bournemouth, loan fee £600,000)

Don Cowie (Wigan Athletic, free transfer)

Jo Inge Berget (Malmo, free transfer)

Simon Lappin (St Johnstone, free transfer)

Kevin Catherine (Saint-Etienne, loan)

Tommy Smith (Brentford, free)

Matthew Connolly (Watford, loan)

Magnus Wolff Eikrem (Malmo, free)

Juan Cala (Granada CF, free)

Guido Burgstaller (Nuremberg, free)

Filip Kiss (Ross County and now Haugusund, loan)

Andrew Taylor (Wigan Athletic, free)

Kevin McNaughton (Wigan Athletic, free)

Mark Hudson (Huddersfield, nominal fee)

Kim Bo-kyung (unattached, contract terminated by mutual consent)

Transfer fees brought in by committee: £23m

Re: WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:27 pm

Our transfers are being dealt much more sensible now we are learning from the mistakes. :thumbright: :sladein: :ayatollah:

Re: WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Sat Aug 29, 2015 9:23 am

Tan has always had the final say and rightly so. But he should take the stick as well as the plaudits.

Re: WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Sat Aug 29, 2015 9:56 am

Why do you feel the need to quote the OP in your reply takes up half the f*cking page :roll:

Re: WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:01 am

Forever Blue wrote:Tan has always had the final say and rightly so. But he should take the stick as well as the plaudits.




Come on annis tan very rarely if anytime he's got praised for anything he's done regardless of it being players In or out, its usually tans fault if Wrong and credit anyone else if good! But maybe at last he is getting it Right with help of choo/dalman/Slade. :thumbup:

Re: WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:42 am

So with suck profits in transfers why is the debt constantly raising then ?

Re: WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:43 am

So with constant profits in transfers why is the debt constantly raising then ?

Re: WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:05 pm

Rydogsccfc wrote:Our transfers are being dealt much more sensible now we are learning from the mistakes. :thumbright: :sladein: :ayatollah:


Agreed.

Re: WHO REALLY DECIDES ON THE TRANSFERS IN & OUT AT CITY

Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:20 pm

Military Junta wrote:So with suck profits in transfers why is the debt constantly raising then ?




Is it? Was said it will have been reduced next time accounts out! But then again figures can be massaged to suite anyone's agenda? :laughing6: