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Super Joe Mason???

Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:46 pm

Have defended super joe as I believe he is a natural finisher sadly having watched him closely this season he isn't going to cut the mustard. Zero pace but his biggest weakness is that he's just not strong enough, I thought he was awful today and offered nothing. He finds space but he just hasn't the power pace or strength to do anything when he then gets it, am not one for having a go at player and it's better to do it here but who else shares this opinion?

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:47 pm

hes far from a natural finisher


all the natural goalscorers we have had here in the last 10 years im surprised anyone thinks mason is like them

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:57 pm

I've never been a big fan of Mason. I appreciate that he always puts in a shift, but for me he is not a natural finisher and lacks pace. Probably the two most important aspects of being a prolific striker.

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:03 pm

paulh_85 wrote:hes far from a natural finisher


all the natural goalscorers we have had here in the last 10 years im surprised anyone thinks mason is like them


Not comparing him to them, he's not got the worst scoring record but forget his goal scoring he doesn't offer much

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:10 pm

I reckon Joe knows that last miss may cost him his place and ultimately his city career.

1 in 4 is his strike rate, and it won't be enough for a player that offers so little elsewhere.

He has had a stop start career and a few season in league 1 may be good for him, but i reckon that all he is, league 1

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:13 pm

Stringfellow wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:hes far from a natural finisher


all the natural goalscorers we have had here in the last 10 years im surprised anyone thinks mason is like them


Not comparing him to them, he's not got the worst scoring record but forget his goal scoring he doesn't offer much


He lacks pace and strength, and I cant think of many excellent strikers who didnt have either of these. His movement is excellent though and finishing is good. Game changed when we had the direct running and pace of Ameobi.

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:27 pm

llan bluebird wrote:I reckon Joe knows that last miss may cost him his place and ultimately his city career.

1 in 4 is his strike rate, and it won't be enough for a player that offers so little elsewhere.

He has had a stop start career and a few season in league 1 may be good for him, but i reckon that all he is, league 1


Think your right, if you can hit the net often the bad traits in your game are forgiven. Am not judging that miss, he just offers very little

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:40 pm

Probably get some stick fir this but as far as i'm concerned he offers f**k all. Seems an honest lad as a player but too slow, weak, and finishes 1 in 4. I hate running a City player down like this but I think our fans over rate him. Yes, he has scored goals for us but his 1st touch is terrible, he constantly looks like he's running in treacle. Just doesnt do it for me as a player. Met him a couple of times and comes across as a shy person but gentleman to say the least. Not goid enough for us wether we want to get promoted or consolidate!

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:49 pm

Give doyle a run out

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:03 pm

Doyle is clinical, he would have slotted the clear cut chances Mason had today. Give Doyle a chance

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:06 am

Stringfellow wrote:Have defended super joe as I believe he is a natural finisher sadly having watched him closely this season he isn't going to cut the mustard. Zero pace but his biggest weakness is that he's just not strong enough, I thought he was awful today and offered nothing. He finds space but he just hasn't the power pace or strength to do anything when he then gets it, am not one for having a go at player and it's better to do it here but who else shares this opinion?


Too weak??

Seriously watch the game back was a superb outlet first 60 mins just a shame he didn't get the suppport first half

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:51 am

He had a perfectly good goal disallowed. Get off his back.

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:39 am

No one is on his back...people are responding to what they saw...he was eased off almost every ball he had..he was weak and has no pace..those are facts about yesterday...I also said it after the QPR game...he not up to this division

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:09 am

Against Fulham he had a one on one and messed up the same as yesterday.
There was another chance when a pass by Whitts released him ,and he did look like he was running in treacle .

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:36 am

nojac wrote:Against Fulham he had a one on one and messed up the same as yesterday.
There was another chance when a pass by Whitts released him ,and he did look like he was running in treacle .


Same at QPR.

Joe Mason does not belong anywhere near our first team.

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:03 am

Sure a lot of people were saying he's our MAIN MAN at the start of the season :? But I do believe he needs to be dropped and I would of definitely took him off for Doyle for last 15 -20 yesterday :ayatollah:

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:04 am

I also thought he was poor yesterday. He was waiting for the ball to come to him where I was always taught you go to the ball. I feel he has the skills to be a very good championship player but doesn't seem to have the strength to cope with big defenders and lacks a half yard of pace.

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:12 am

if doyle butchered those opportunities or heaven forbid Revell, this place would have been in meltdown.

Noone, Fabio and Mason get free passes no other players get on here.

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:54 am

Yep ! Most worrying was the miss at the end.

2-0 up, last kick of the game, clear one on one with the keeper, no pressure yet never looked like scoring.

I would bet serious money on Doyle or Ameobi slotting that one in. Mason has had his chance, time for a change I think.

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:41 am

He scored yesterday. Dubious decision and if we hadn't won it would have been rightly all over the message board. He has a scoring touch IMO.

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:07 am

I posted this in another thread:-

Can't disagree with you more, as Mason was definitely up for it, making some superb off the ball runs which unfortunately on too many occasions, went unrewarded with a decent pass to him. It was only in the last couple of minutes that he was picked out with a superb pass, which I accept he should have scored from.

However, IMO, Mason should have been subbed around the 75th or 80th minute, as he seemed spent, having run his B*llocks off up front and in defence on occasion and should have been replaced by Doyle or Noone!

He also scored a goal which should not have been disallowed and I'm just hoping that if Kenwynne Jones is not fit for Forest next Saturday, that Doyle plays up front alongside him and not the one dimensional Alex Revell!

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:10 am

looked like the right decision to me (disallowed goal)

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:26 am

paulh_85 wrote:looked like the right decision to me (disallowed goal)

The goalie has to have 2 hands on the ball and be in control of it, the footage shows the ball being on the ground and he appears to gather it the same time as Mason puts it in the net!

If the goalie had the ball in his hand or hands in the air, or held tightly to his chest whilst lying on the ground, I'd say that it was rightly ruled out, but as the ball was on the ground as he goes to gather it, the same time as Mason kicks it into the net, then I don't believe it should have been disallowed!

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:58 am

Overthemoon wrote:I posted this in another thread:-

Can't disagree with you more, as Mason was definitely up for it, making some superb off the ball runs which unfortunately on too many occasions, went unrewarded with a decent pass to him. It was only in the last couple of minutes that he was picked out with a superb pass, which I accept he should have scored from.

However, IMO, Mason should have been subbed around the 75th or 80th minute, as he seemed spent, having run his B*llocks off up front and in defence on occasion and should have been replaced by Doyle or Noone!

He also scored a goal which should not have been disallowed and I'm just hoping that if Kenwynne Jones is not fit for Forest next Saturday, that Doyle plays up front alongside him and not the one dimensional Alex Revell!


Difference of opinion then, I don't disagree he ran his bollocks off found good space and at times received awkward passes and I think it was a goal. Decent lad, good attitude but needs to be stronger as his lack of pace already leaves him with an uphill task. :bluebird:

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:05 pm

Stringfellow wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:I posted this in another thread:-

Can't disagree with you more, as Mason was definitely up for it, making some superb off the ball runs which unfortunately on too many occasions, went unrewarded with a decent pass to him. It was only in the last couple of minutes that he was picked out with a superb pass, which I accept he should have scored from.

However, IMO, Mason should have been subbed around the 75th or 80th minute, as he seemed spent, having run his B*llocks off up front and in defence on occasion and should have been replaced by Doyle or Noone!

He also scored a goal which should not have been disallowed and I'm just hoping that if Kenwynne Jones is not fit for Forest next Saturday, that Doyle plays up front alongside him and not the one dimensional Alex Revell!


Difference of opinion then, I don't disagree he ran his bollocks off found good space and at times received awkward passes and I think it was a goal. Decent lad, good attitude but needs to be stronger as his lack of pace already leaves him with an uphill task. :bluebird:

I agree about his lack of pace, but the timing of his runs seem to compensate!

He made some superb runs yesterday and as I said earlier, he was rarely picked out by our midfielders!

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:53 pm

Overthemoon wrote:
Stringfellow wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:I posted this in another thread:-

Can't disagree with you more, as Mason was definitely up for it, making some superb off the ball runs which unfortunately on too many occasions, went unrewarded with a decent pass to him. It was only in the last couple of minutes that he was picked out with a superb pass, which I accept he should have scored from.

However, IMO, Mason should have been subbed around the 75th or 80th minute, as he seemed spent, having run his B*llocks off up front and in defence on occasion and should have been replaced by Doyle or Noone!

He also scored a goal which should not have been disallowed and I'm just hoping that if Kenwynne Jones is not fit for Forest next Saturday, that Doyle plays up front alongside him and not the one dimensional Alex Revell!


Difference of opinion then, I don't disagree he ran his bollocks off found good space and at times received awkward passes and I think it was a goal. Decent lad, good attitude but needs to be stronger as his lack of pace already leaves him with an uphill task. :bluebird:

I agree about his lack of pace, but the timing of his runs seem to compensate!

He made some superb runs yesterday and as I said earlier, he was rarely picked out by our midfielders!


I'm sorry but I've got to disagree. The reason why none of our midfielders, or back four, could pick him out was his timing of runs was way out. Either too early and he's offside or just nit gambling and leaving it too late making the passer look stupid.

It's a real shame because you can't help liking him because of his attitude but his lack of pace will mean the top of the Championship is too high a level for him and I would be surprised if he got much more than 10 goals in a season even if he played every game.

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:01 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
Stringfellow wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:I posted this in another thread:-

Can't disagree with you more, as Mason was definitely up for it, making some superb off the ball runs which unfortunately on too many occasions, went unrewarded with a decent pass to him. It was only in the last couple of minutes that he was picked out with a superb pass, which I accept he should have scored from.

However, IMO, Mason should have been subbed around the 75th or 80th minute, as he seemed spent, having run his B*llocks off up front and in defence on occasion and should have been replaced by Doyle or Noone!

He also scored a goal which should not have been disallowed and I'm just hoping that if Kenwynne Jones is not fit for Forest next Saturday, that Doyle plays up front alongside him and not the one dimensional Alex Revell!


Difference of opinion then, I don't disagree he ran his bollocks off found good space and at times received awkward passes and I think it was a goal. Decent lad, good attitude but needs to be stronger as his lack of pace already leaves him with an uphill task. :bluebird:

I agree about his lack of pace, but the timing of his runs seem to compensate!

He made some superb runs yesterday and as I said earlier, he was rarely picked out by our midfielders!


I'm sorry but I've got to disagree. The reason why none of our midfielders, or back four, could pick him out was his timing of runs was way out. Either too early and he's offside or just nit gambling and leaving it too late making the passer look stupid.

It's a real shame because you can't help liking him because of his attitude but his lack of pace will mean the top of the Championship is too high a level for him and I would be surprised if he got much more than 10 goals in a season even if he played every game.

I agree he may not score as many goals for us as we would like, but I think that it'll be his lack of pace that holds him back, not his movement!

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:33 pm

Overthemoon wrote:I posted this in another thread:-

Can't disagree with you more, as Mason was definitely up for it, making some superb off the ball runs which unfortunately on too many occasions, went unrewarded with a decent pass to him. It was only in the last couple of minutes that he was picked out with a superb pass, which I accept he should have scored from.

However, IMO, Mason should have been subbed around the 75th or 80th minute, as he seemed spent, having run his B*llocks off up front and in defence on occasion and should have been replaced by Doyle or Noone!

He also scored a goal which should not have been disallowed and I'm just hoping that if Kenwynne Jones is not fit for Forest next Saturday, that Doyle plays up front alongside him and not the one dimensional Alex Revell!


Totally agree I rmplore anyone to watch that game back again and point out how much he got outmuscled it wasn't very much at all

He held the ball up well made some cracking runs and deserved a goal worst part for him was that miss at the end

Re: Super Joe Mason???

Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:41 pm

Probably should have had a goal and was knackered at the end after a pretty good performance.

Lots of people ready to knock him which is sad but expected, people say Slade should have used the third sub we didn't use on him but who knows if Marshall or Morrison or someone had some sort of knock they didn't know might force another change.