' Negativity '

Morning Guys! Its been a whilst since I posted, maybe even a year but like most I do pop on here from time to time to see and read as to what the going down is at CCFC.

However, and I must admit, the amount of negative posts I read about the club and Tan, on a daily basis is sheer madness.

Yes this board allows people to have there say. Although some of the comments I agree with, I feel this club will never reach its potential of say the 70's or 90's as the fans are just too happy to jump onto anything the club does, as they think they know better.

Since the Sam days we have all moaned and quite rightly about the clubs finances. We have all had a say on the overspend at the club in recent times, yet I see posts about the lack of transfer activity and why we are not spending money this summer. We have a crazy size squad and quite rightly the club are telling Slade that incomings are allowed, once the squad has been trimmed. and savings have been made. I also read about players like Nolan and Barton, why give players at the end of there careers a crazy £30-£40k a week.

We still have players earning excess of £40k a week, and we or any other club in the championship cannot sustain weekly spend like that, so give over.

I also see posts about the club retaining money made from sales. Why not? if the club sells a £6m player. It has to quite rightly pay off debts, whether they are to Tan or anyone else, and quite frankly I'm glad the board are trying to run this club on its own generated funds rather than adding more debt to the club.

This summer I have seen a huge change in the club, the marketing has been far better, the stadium looks fantastic, and the kit is one of the best I've seen from the club. To see so many fans wearing the new blue strip at Fulham, was a sight I have not seen in at least 10 years, and we should get behind the club like we used to.

Lets give Slade our backing, we are still Cardiff City guys and yes we will all have a moan, I don't think that will change. But after one game lets just do what we do best, lets get behind OUR club and see where this season ends up.

Good post.

The way I see it is that Tan is preparing the club the way he only knows best so he can basically get out. I say let him continue because while he is around the lingers of the re-brand will remain.

I have accepted the fact he will be quite comfortable if we remain a Championship side for the rest of his reign here. Promotion to the premier will be a bonus to him obviously but I honestly don't think he is expecting it. Therefore the best we can expect is a sustainable club in the Championship ready for someone else to come in and take us that step further.

Of course I might be surprised and come next season see Tan give it one more go.

Good post.

The way I see it is that Tan is preparing the club the way he only knows best so he can basically get out. I say let him continue because while he is around the lingers of the re-brand will remain.

I have accepted the fact he will be quite comfortable if we remain a Championship side for the rest of his reign here. Promotion to the premier will be a bonus to him obviously but I honestly don't think he is expecting it. Therefore the best we can expect is a sustainable club in the Championship ready for someone else to come in and take us that step further.

Of course I might be surprised and come next season see Tan give it one more go.

100%, this post is not to defend Tan, as I feel the one pulling the strings at the moment is Choo, who quite rightly since his appointment has turned this club around. I just feel that Tan without any past knowledge of British football, and the heritage it brings to its fans, Tan thought be could simple make wholesome changes without the backlash that he got, I honestly think he though we would accept it, although for a period of time the club and fans did. I do however question some of his business acumen, with the players being released and contracts being torn up last year.

From a business perspective, that's the only part of his so called business acumen I question, because some of the decisions last year, on player contracts and transfers has cost US 10's of millions.

If we can steer this club forward, hopefully clear the debt, whether its Tan or another buyer, this club will be a stand out proposition for any potential buyer, that is fact. With the stadium, fans base and the structure at the club and its board being correct, it will look attractive.

Some of the massive clubs in the premier league such as Everton although heavily supported cannot find a buyer as its structure and stadium are not up to scratch. We have the fans, and the stadium, we just need to get behind the club and show the rest of the championship that the CCS can be a fortress and we can do well this year.

Just have to believe.

Good post.

I did enjoy reading your post

Welcome back to posting

Yes Tan wants out ASAP and as much of his money back before goes,like all previous chairmen have done.

I agree with Ian,as long as we stay at least in the Championship whilst Tan makes his departure that's ok with me.
Tan will always be remembered for his despicable Rebrand and his circus show.

As to Sam, Ive said before,Sam made many mistakes and Langston will always scar him,but it was Sam who got our sleeping giant woken and before he came our fan base was 4,000. Sam took us on an unbelievable roller coaster ride,many Love him,many fans blame him for debts,but they are even worse now and there were debts before Sam, our club has always had debts.


Fans have different opinions and we should all Respect each other's

Forget the Rebrand for one minute
The last 15 years has seen the best years on the pitch in our last 50 years.

So on the pitch these are def not bad days

I did enjoy reading your post

Welcome back to posting

Yes Tan wants out ASAP and as much of his money back before goes,like all previous chairmen have done.

I agree with Ian,as long as we stay at least in the Championship whilst Tan makes his departure that's ok with me.
Tan will always be remembered for his despicable Rebrand and his circus show.

As to Sam, Ive said before,Sam made many mistakes and Langston will always scar him,but it was Sam who got our sleeping giant woken and before he came our fan base was 4,000. Sam took us on an unbelievable roller coaster ride,many Love him,many fans blame him for debts,but they are even worse now and there were debts before Sam, our club has always had debts.

Forget the Rebrand for one minute
The last 15 years has seen the best years on the pitch in our last 50 years.

So on the pitch these are def not bad days

I agree, and only being 37 maybe the past 25 years bar two relegations have been the best, nobody can argue. But a part of me also misses the welsh cup finals down the old Arms Park, the cold nights at Ninian Park with a cup of that dreadful Bovril, but growing up we were such a close nit club. The fans, its board and always, and I mean we were always behind its manager. To me this is what has changed most, and has to me my main point.

I feel the biggest changes in modern day football are effecting everyone, even the brand of a club and rules nowadays make it less exciting than I remember. Maybe we as fans have been spoilt, and my point being is that because we are used to winning, or spending money vastly beyond our means, we have become accustomed to it, and almost expect it.

However, I remember the club buying Leo Fortune West and thinking £300k was a crazy amount of money for us, yet in recent times people expect us to spend £40k a week on wages. I know times have changed and money is part of the game, but whilst being in the championship and no current signs that will change in the next year or so, we need to be careful. I understand we have players from our Premier League season on high wages, that was always down to the club not agreeing contracts with relegation clauses, but we should never agree a new player in our current state with such a financial package.

I did enjoy reading your post

Welcome back to posting

Yes Tan wants out ASAP and as much of his money back before goes,like all previous chairmen have done.

I agree with Ian,as long as we stay at least in the Championship whilst Tan makes his departure that's ok with me.
Tan will always be remembered for his despicable Rebrand and his circus show.

As to Sam, Ive said before,Sam made many mistakes and Langston will always scar him,but it was Sam who got our sleeping giant woken and before he came our fan base was 4,000. Sam took us on an unbelievable roller coaster ride,many Love him,many fans blame him for debts,but they are even worse now and there were debts before Sam, our club has always had debts.

Forget the Rebrand for one minute
The last 15 years has seen the best years on the pitch in our last 50 years.

So on the pitch these are def not bad days

I agree, and only being 37 maybe the past 25 years bar two relegations have been the best, nobody can argue. But a part of me also misses the welsh cup finals down the old Arms Park, the cold nights at Ninian Park with a cup of that dreadful Bovril, but growing up we were such a close nit club. The fans, its board and always, and I mean we were always behind its manager. To me this is what has changed most, and has to me my main point.

I feel the biggest changes in modern day football are effecting everyone, even the brand of a club and rules nowadays make it less exciting than I remember. Maybe we as fans have been spoilt, and my point being is that because we are used to winning, or spending money vastly beyond our means, we have become accustomed to it, and almost expect it.

However, I remember the club buying Leo Fortune West and thinking £300k was a crazy amount of money for us, yet in recent times people expect us to spend £40k a week on wages. I know times have changed and money is part of the game, but whilst being in the championship and no current signs that will change in the next year or so, we need to be careful. I understand we have players from our Premier League season on high wages, that was always down to the club not agreeing contracts with relegation clauses, but we should never agree a new player in our current state with such a financial package.

I'm with you on this,we have to be very careful no more Kenwyne Jones contracts etc
No more players leaving like Gestede without clauses.

I to miss those days

This post encompasses all that is good (and bad) about the club at the moment. There were real positives this week at the Fulham game which would have been a great 3 points barring a horrendous gaffe from Moore. The football was flowing and linking was evidently from the training ground which Slade should take credit for.

Spending has, at last, been moderated so that some progress on wages can be made. There is still a lot of room for trimming the large squad and getting rid of big earners who don't represent value for money at this level.

All good!

But you have to admit that there are still issues regarding fan ownership, stadium atmosphere, a lack of bums on seats and general apathy from the 10,000 deserters who were happy to watch Man U and Liverpool but find the prospect of Rotherham beneath their station. Truly pathetic.

The purpose of any forum is to reflect the views of readers and so in a sense, what you get is likely to be a continuous report on the status quo. The negativity comes sometimes from frustration, often from anger and always causes a positive response from somebody, because we don't agree on everything. That's just normal.

Where I think your post is 100% spot on is that the club is at a stage of recovery and consolidation. Things shouldn't be forced or rushed. Yes, try to win every game, but be realistic when things go slightly awry. The players are giving their all at the moment so it is what it is. Is the team ready for top flight again yet? Probably not, but establishing an ethos of togetherness will be infectious and spread to the stands.

Like I said, a very indicative post. Thanks.

AT last someone with a pragmatic outlook. We all recognize that the club has been through a crazy period. We also should recognize that at last we are now trying to turn this out-of-control juggernaut around and we cannot afford to "Buy at Harrods"
I think that if Cardiff City was a company in any other field than football then it would have been closed down years ago and all assets sold off. Lets face it if I could not meet my mortgage payments then the bank would come and re-possess my house.

I am more than happy that a degree of business management is coming into Cardiff City, one bonus IT WAS VERY PLESANT ON THE EYE SATURDAY, THINK I AM GOING TO ENJOY THE SEASON!

This post encompasses all that is good (and bad) about the club at the moment. There were real positives this week at the Fulham game which would have been a great 3 points barring a horrendous gaffe from Moore. The football was flowing and linking was evidently from the training ground which Slade should take credit for.

Spending has, at last, been moderated so that some progress on wages can be made. There is still a lot of room for trimming the large squad and getting rid of big earners who don't represent value for money at this level.

All good!

But you have to admit that there are still issues regarding fan ownership, stadium atmosphere, a lack of bums on seats and general apathy from the 10,000 deserters who were happy to watch Man U and Liverpool but find the prospect of Rotherham beneath their station. Truly pathetic.

The purpose of any forum is to reflect the views of readers and so in a sense, what you get is likely to be a continuous report on the status quo. The negativity comes sometimes from frustration, often from anger and always causes a positive response from somebody, because we don't agree on everything. That's just normal.

Where I think your post is 100% spot on is that the club is at a stage of recovery and consolidation. Things shouldn't be forced or rushed. Yes, try to win every game, but be realistic when things go slightly awry. The players are giving their all at the moment so it is what it is. Is the team ready for top flight again yet? Probably not, but establishing an ethos of togetherness will be infectious and spread to the stands.

Like I said, a very indicative post. Thanks.

100% With you on the fans, I'm one of them, this being my 16th year as a season ticket holder.

The club has shown it has award winning service for away fans, think its three times we have won the so called away fans award out of all 92 clubs. My concern being is that the home fans deserve more, not in daft half time entertainment, but I'd also like to think the club will award fans loyalty.

Don't shoot me here, but when the club re-branded, Tan agreed for all fans to be handed that horrendous red scarf, we all know the stupid reason for it. Why cant he do small things like that in blue? maybe once a season have a free programme, or even a free hot drink? We all know taking our kids to the games inc travel, tickets food and any spend on memorabilia is expensive for any fan these days regardless of your personal wealth. Its these little things the and the club could do to entice fans back to the club, get the feeling of a family club once again. I've seen Annis mention that if Tan connected with the fans better he could be one of the great City owners.

Christ, we all know how badly run it was under Rick Wright but in memory these were some of the best days of my time watching the city, who cared about money, the fans had it all and lets be fair, the football at times was shocking but it was the pull of being down the city that meant more than anything. I think with Choo's help, this is slowly being established, but i also understand the logics of money saving especially in the championship.

This is where I feel the club has lost some of its loyal fans, walking down to Ninian Park on match day back in the day, fans didnt go because it was cold, or it was expensive, or because the egg chasing is on. What did help was when the club had the initiatives for kids with the old Junior Bluebird tickets in the echo, used to cut them out and save a few quid. Kids are the future of any club, not just because they live in Cardiff, but the fans are the club.

Think about it, when was the last time the canton asked all the stands to do the Ayatollah? or when was the last time you heard the old Nathan Blake song? Man Utd still sing about Cantona and Giggs? lets remember the past few years has caused a few issues, we all agree that but lets connect again, lets get CCS buzzing and you all seen it again Man City in the Premier League, the new stadium has it all, what it lacks is the connection between its fans.

We get this connection back, that place will feel like home again.

Been some great posts on here guys. A lot more positive outlook hopefully more will see the positive factors u have brought to light.# Make ccs a fortress again"

Great post.

All valid points above, but the one I wanted to pick up on was about the marketing of the club & how to engage fans. I work in marketing for a well known high street brand, and customer egagement is everything.

Lets not forget that we might be fans but to the club we're customers, as without us there would be no merchandise sales, no food or drink sales but the clubs attempts at marketing are woeful. The Cardiff City brand doesn't stand for anything and is too easily eclipsed by the Premier League big boys; why else do you walk down Queen street and see as many Liverpool or Man Utd stirts as you do Cardiff? You don't see this in cities like Newcastle as an example, as the club are part of the community.

We're a one club city so we should be at the very heart of the community in Cardiff, and this is where the club are out of touch. We could argue all day what is the best way to do this but ultimately the club need to win hearts and minds. Once they've done that the club we love will truely move forward.

This post encompasses all that is good (and bad) about the club at the moment. There were real positives this week at the Fulham game which would have been a great 3 points barring a horrendous gaffe from Moore. The football was flowing and linking was evidently from the training ground which Slade should take credit for.

Spending has, at last, been moderated so that some progress on wages can be made. There is still a lot of room for trimming the large squad and getting rid of big earners who don't represent value for money at this level.

All good!

But you have to admit that there are still issues regarding fan ownership, stadium atmosphere, a lack of bums on seats and general apathy from the 10,000 deserters who were happy to watch Man U and Liverpool but find the prospect of Rotherham beneath their station. Truly pathetic.

The purpose of any forum is to reflect the views of readers and so in a sense, what you get is likely to be a continuous report on the status quo. The negativity comes sometimes from frustration, often from anger and always causes a positive response from somebody, because we don't agree on everything. That's just normal.

Where I think your post is 100% spot on is that the club is at a stage of recovery and consolidation. Things shouldn't be forced or rushed. Yes, try to win every game, but be realistic when things go slightly awry. The players are giving their all at the moment so it is what it is. Is the team ready for top flight again yet? Probably not, but establishing an ethos of togetherness will be infectious and spread to the stands.

Like I said, a very indicative post. Thanks.

There are some excellent, well balanced and thoughtful posts in this thread including yours. There is clearly a lot of love for Cardiff City and I believe when a club like ours is going through a period of recovery and consolidation there are things that the real fans can do to help that process. The negativity that almost inevitably has arisen from the rebrand, a relegation from the Premier League, a disappointing season last year and the appointment of an unpopular manager from the lower leagues has a knock on effect. It takes us on a downward spiral where most people focus on the bad things and this in turn gives the less committed fans the excuse/reason they need to stop supporting the Club, especially when results and performances are poor. Whilst we've had quite a lot of success during the last dozen years or so there have been disappointments too along the way, therefore we have not really had a chance to fully consolidate our support. For example, successive play-off failures had the potential for tipping some fans over the edge. But during this period we have demonstrated that we do have very good levels of support for this league so we know the fans are there. The trick is not letting them get out of the habit of attending games for too long.

There is enough intelligence and goodwill amongst our fans to come up with ideas and initiatives and work perhaps in conjunction with the Club in order to get some of these fans back in the short term as well as coming up with ideas to attract new supporters, particularly younger people, women and ethnic minorities, where I'm convinced there is huge potential.

It surprises me that not many of our so called fans leaders have done anything on a long-term co-ordinated basis to tap into the huge reservoir of enthusiasm, intelligence, knowledge and connections of our existing fan base in order to improve both the attendance and atmosphere at the CCS. It is difficult for individual fans to do things on their own but supporters who have influence, such as the various supporters groups, as well as the leaders of the various forums should perhaps give some thought as to how they can use their position of influence in a positive way to make some good things happen.

Great thread this and hopefully we can get over the point scoring and push our team towards an unexpected promotion.

With regard to the support levels again I think we are doing well. All clubs see a drop in support after a relegation and when you throw in the civil war that broke out after the rebrand 15000 isn't a bad starting point.

I honestly believe we can do something special this season and if we do it will feel far more satisfying than the 2013 promotion.

Reading a lot of posts majority of the negative stuff is about last season! Ffs Its gone we are in a new season, sat performance gives some cause for optimism but after 10 games we will see if its optimism or pessimism?

This post encompasses all that is good (and bad) about the club at the moment. There were real positives this week at the Fulham game which would have been a great 3 points barring a horrendous gaffe from Moore. The football was flowing and linking was evidently from the training ground which Slade should take credit for.

Spending has, at last, been moderated so that some progress on wages can be made. There is still a lot of room for trimming the large squad and getting rid of big earners who don't represent value for money at this level.

All good!

But you have to admit that there are still issues regarding fan ownership, stadium atmosphere, a lack of bums on seats and general apathy from the 10,000 deserters who were happy to watch Man U and Liverpool but find the prospect of Rotherham beneath their station. Truly pathetic.

The purpose of any forum is to reflect the views of readers and so in a sense, what you get is likely to be a continuous report on the status quo. The negativity comes sometimes from frustration, often from anger and always causes a positive response from somebody, because we don't agree on everything. That's just normal.

Where I think your post is 100% spot on is that the club is at a stage of recovery and consolidation. Things shouldn't be forced or rushed. Yes, try to win every game, but be realistic when things go slightly awry. The players are giving their all at the moment so it is what it is. Is the team ready for top flight again yet? Probably not, but establishing an ethos of togetherness will be infectious and spread to the stands.

Like I said, a very indicative post. Thanks.

There are some excellent, well balanced and thoughtful posts in this thread including yours. There is clearly a lot of love for Cardiff City and I believe when a club like ours is going through a period of recovery and consolidation there are things that the real fans can do to help that process. The negativity that almost inevitably has arisen from the rebrand, a relegation from the Premier League, a disappointing season last year and the appointment of an unpopular manager from the lower leagues has a knock on effect. It takes us on a downward spiral where most people focus on the bad things and this in turn gives the less committed fans the excuse/reason they need to stop supporting the Club, especially when results and performances are poor. Whilst we've had quite a lot of success during the last dozen years or so there have been disappointments too along the way, therefore we have not really had a chance to fully consolidate our support. For example, successive play-off failures had the potential for tipping some fans over the edge. But during this period we have demonstrated that we do have very good levels of support for this league so we know the fans are there. The trick is not letting them get out of the habit of attending games for too long.

There is enough intelligence and goodwill amongst our fans to come up with ideas and initiatives and work perhaps in conjunction with the Club in order to get some of these fans back in the short term as well as coming up with ideas to attract new supporters, particularly younger people, women and ethnic minorities, where I'm convinced there is huge potential.

It surprises me that not many of our so called fans leaders have done anything on a long-term co-ordinated basis to tap into the huge reservoir of enthusiasm, intelligence, knowledge and connections of our existing fan base in order to improve both the attendance and atmosphere at the CCS. It is difficult for individual fans to do things on their own but supporters who have influence, such as the various supporters groups, as well as the leaders of the various forums should perhaps give some thought as to how they can use their position of influence in a positive way to make some good things happen.

I agree as a person who runs two companies, marketing has a huge part to play in. However, I think in football, it has to be simple, not confusing. Just a straight forward plan that involves everyone at the club, including its fans!

All ideas put forward must give both parties, equal benefit. If a scheme is introduced to fans, it must be for a purpose and not just to fill the stadium simple because the fixture is low key or its on the same weekend as the Rugby. I mentioned in the above posts simple things, programmes, food & Drink, even flags, anything that takes away some expenditure for a fan during one game over a season.

I also think the club needs to re-evaluate the relationship between its younger fans and the club. As stated above the simple idea of saving tokens in the paper to get cheaper entry for kids should be looked at, maybe open days for kids more often and not just pre season. We have mascots (characters) but do they really represent or increase the want to come to the football by the young fans?

What got me jealous this weekend was watching Bournemouth, a great little club, again not spending past its means, it has its limits and good on them for doing it. Yes it may mean relegation but who cares its the glamour and passion that is football. 11k people crammed into that tiny stadium, and although we know they'll get some hammering's, like we did they will also get days of glory, but I know they are all behind Eddie Howe and the club, to do whatever it can in its first season in the Premier League.

What happened when we were in the Premier League, its simple all the booing and protests got involved in the whole club, and although I agreed with some, I didn't help us one bit. It caused a nasty divide between us fans, annachy between its fans and management team, the papers got involved and it must have hindered the players, be hard not too. Now we are blue, now we are BACK! Lets unite as we always have done and see what happens. Did anyone give Bournemouth a chance at the beginning of last season? even Watford were not given much hope, but dreams come true when they are least expected!

There were only two occasions I felt like a true Cardiff City fan in our premiership year, Man City at home, was simply the best atmosphere I've witnessed at the new stadium, but also Liverpool away. Anyone at the ground that day witnessed the whole CCFC section, pleading, showing passion to the club and its manager. Yes Malky had his faults, even signed a few shockers but one thing I thank him for was the relationship he had with us, scenes I have not witnessed since Eddie May or Frank Burrows.

Morning Guys! Its been a whilst since I posted, maybe even a year but like most I do pop on here from time to time to see and read as to what the going down is at CCFC.

Great post....a forum is a debate but agree we seem to have lots of fans who will moan or try and make something a negative. No more Victor meldrews

However, and I must admit, the amount of negative posts I read about the club and Tan, on a daily basis is sheer madness.

Yes this board allows people to have there say. Although some of the comments I agree with, I feel this club will never reach its potential of say the 70's or 90's as the fans are just too happy to jump onto anything the club does, as they think they know better.

Since the Sam days we have all moaned and quite rightly about the clubs finances. We have all had a say on the overspend at the club in recent times, yet I see posts about the lack of transfer activity and why we are not spending money this summer. We have a crazy size squad and quite rightly the club are telling Slade that incomings are allowed, once the squad has been trimmed. and savings have been made. I also read about players like Nolan and Barton, why give players at the end of there careers a crazy £30-£40k a week.

We still have players earning excess of £40k a week, and we or any other club in the championship cannot sustain weekly spend like that, so give over.

I also see posts about the club retaining money made from sales. Why not? if the club sells a £6m player. It has to quite rightly pay off debts, whether they are to Tan or anyone else, and quite frankly I'm glad the board are trying to run this club on its own generated funds rather than adding more debt to the club.

This summer I have seen a huge change in the club, the marketing has been far better, the stadium looks fantastic, and the kit is one of the best I've seen from the club. To see so many fans wearing the new blue strip at Fulham, was a sight I have not seen in at least 10 years, and we should get behind the club like we used to.

Lets give Slade our backing, we are still Cardiff City guys and yes we will all have a moan, I don't think that will change. But after one game lets just do what we do best, lets get behind OUR club and see where this season ends up.

"NEGATIVITY" lets post POSITIVITY I want to be a happy bunny not a miserable B_____d Lets make sure our glass is HALF FULL

Good Post.

I start this season like any other previously, with the hope that CCFC will do well and succeed off and on the pitch.

However it does not always work out like than.

I enjoy the good times, deal with the bad times and move on. I however will NEVER throw my toys out of the pram and turn my back on a club that represents my City.

Managers and players come and go but come what may - we must stay loyal and support the team/club.

I have a good feeling for this season, last time I had this was when we got promoted - hope I can be right again