We complain about being swarmed with immigrants...

David Charter Freital
Last updated at 12:01AM, August 10 2015



There are no swastikas on display but old demons are stirring in towns across Germany. Resentment towards asylum seekers is growing as the country struggles to find accommodation for the record numbers arriving.

At least 450,000 are expected to claim refugee status in Europe’s richest nation this year, leading the authorities to order more small communities to take a share of the newcomers. The greatest number of migrant arrivals was last month — 79,000, mainly from Syria, Iraq, Africa and the Balkans.

In the first half of this year, there were 202 attacks on refugee accommodation, already more than the total for the whole of last year.

The scale of the influx facing Germany is significant: the country had 40 per cent of all new asylum applications in the entire European Union in the first three months of the year, ten times as many as the UK.

Freital, a town of 40,000 close to Dresden in the former east German state of Saxony, is using a former hotel to house 300 asylum seekers, and is on the front line of German resistance to the new wave of foreigners. The streets are calm and there is no racist graffiti, yet resentment is close to the surface.

“There are many Nazis here in Freital,” said Rene Otto, 32, a builder who has joined weekly protests outside the hotel. “There are many who think that Germany should take care of its own people first. We have been taking care way too much of other countries for decades, because we had to.”

Mr Otto was one of several locals willing to speak out in a way that would have been unimaginable a generation ago by Germans who felt bound by postwar taboos to be nice to foreigners. “For me this is not racism, it is public opinion,” he said. “I am saying we have taken in enough, there has to be an end to it at some point.”

A pensioner agreed. “No one wants these idiots here,” he said. “Ninety per cent of the population does not want them here.”
A 60-year-old woman walking her dog near the asylum hostel said: “I am not against foreigners, but what they are doing. Noise, brawling, shouting, praying, stuff like that. And they approach you, accost you.”

“Andreas M”, 58, who was photographed last week giving supporters of the Freital asylum seekers a Nazi salute, may face prosecution for making the banned gesture. A car belonging to a left-wing politician seen as supporting the migrants was firebombed last week.

Refugees say that they fear for their safety in the German town that they had spent thousands of pounds and months of dangerous travel to reach.

The scale of the influx facing Germany is significant: the country had 40 per cent of all new asylum applications in the entire European Union in the first three months of the year, ten times as many as the UK.

The dont fill in applications over here though, they just hop on the back of vans!

Hadn't considered that!.

I wonder if all these " hug a benefit chaser" would volunteer to have,say 6 or 7 of them living with them in their home? Somehow I doubt it

Immigration is good for the UK. You do not hold a certain right to land just because you were fortunate to be born there. Get off your high horses and think about humanity for a second.

How many are you going to take in then Mr. Blackblue ?

Immigration is good for the UK. You do not hold a certain right to land just because you were fortunate to be born there. Get off your high horses and think about humanity for a second.

Guess you'll be paying my share of the taxes towards their benefit claims, then.

Immigration is good for the UK. You do not hold a certain right to land just because you were fortunate to be born there. Get off your high horses and think about humanity for a second.

Guess you'll be paying my share of the taxes towards their benefit claims, then.

You should be more worried about Vodaphone; IKEA; Amazon; Boots; Starbucks...the list goes on, paying the £85billion they owe in corporation tax.

How many are you going to take in then Mr. Blackblue ?

None, because I do not live in the UK due to:

1) Tax being too high - very expensive for startups in business - overregulation is ridiculous as well
2) A culture of dependency, most of whom are white Brits popping out children in their teen years for fun - chav culture - its like everyone is trying to outcompete one another in wearing the best tracksuit
3) A spoilt generation whereby people only really care about themselves and have little regard for others anymore
4) It is pretty much a police state of control - high fines, lots of rules controlling your life, CCTV everywhere, speed cameras have motorists in a state of paranoia, etc. - infringing upon liberal freedoms to the point of driving you insane
5) The lack of diversity and things to do plus terrible weather - here I can frequent beaches regularly and enjoy myself
6) A rampant binge drinking culture and a generation who cant have fun without a drink - this is often the result of chronic underlying depression - which is also why many are on medications like Ritalin or resort to just playing video games 24/7 in isolation
7) The property market is a joke. Nobody in their right mind will pay £200k for a 3 bedroom house that isn't detached and probably in some horrible suburb when you can get much better abroad with a garden, swimming pool and take advantage of globalisation.
8) Health care is going down the pan for numerous reasons but the most notable is fiscal mismanagement of governments over the last few decades - due to the lower tax its easier to put the extra money saved into paying for private healthcare abroad which is incredible
9) The lack of justice when it comes to criminality is absurd - the UK is full of idiots who bash immigrants coming to the country but are happy to give a rapist 3 years, or 18 months with good behaviour, cause everyone must be rehabilitated - what a joke. However, if you don't pay taxes you'll probably get 10+ years without question. What a lovely country.
10) The military are not given the protection and equipment they need - they are also advised not to wear their uniform on their own streets for fear of a terrorist attack
11) There is a dumbed down culture in the UK with everyone obsessed with trivial crap - big brother, x factor, all that nonsense as opposed to what truly matters - its no surprised literacy and numeracy standards are falling when there is a trivial culture in the UK and kids who try hard are actually bullied and called nerds or geeks etc. as if its bad to want to do well
12) The UK is full of miserable people who put others with a 'get go' attitude down for doing well - if you try to do well there are negative nellies everywhere telling you 'oh that wont work' or 'you cant do that' because of their own insecurities - they are annoying and only seek to drag you down to their own level because they haven't got the motivation and drive to do anything themselves - everyone is just intent on becoming a white collar worker helping the corporates get even richer
13) Political correctness is a virus - the UK is a country whereby if someone says 'Im proud to be black' they're applauded and paraded around for it. If someone says 'im proud to be white' they're slated, called racist and called EDL or UKIP lovers. Do you know how moronic that comes across to anyone with any sense of rational or logical thought? People outside of the UK laugh at the idiocy of this nonsense.
14) Public service costs are a joke due to privatisation of almost everything - trains are expensive in comparison to elsewhere, taxis are a rip off just like everywhere else, buses are congested and often full of chavs blazing the latest music whilst stinking of marijuana. However, if you opt to drive instead to avoid all of that you have to pay a small fortune every year for the privilege.
15) Finally, the hypocrisy is astounding. The UK, well actually mostly England, goes around with its snooty nose acting like its some sort of utopian paradise and the best country in the world. These morons are totally oblivious to the fact that the Empire is long gone and England is now an overpriced violent chav infested dump. This is a country that slates everyone else for corruption or their problems yet has numerous pedophiles riddled through the establishment, has things like Rotherham going on, numerous expenses scandals and other scandals like price fixing in certain industries. However, wonderful old Britain, is much better than everywhere else....of course it is.

Until you experience being liberated from all the above nonsense you will never know what its truly like to be free. Alternatively you can continue deluding yourselves and believing Britain is still great.

How many are you going to take in then Mr. Blackblue ?

None, because I do not live in the UK due to:

1) Tax being too high - very expensive for startups in business - overregulation is ridiculous as well
2) A culture of dependency, most of whom are white Brits popping out children in their teen years for fun - chav culture - its like everyone is trying to outcompete one another in wearing the best tracksuit
3) A spoilt generation whereby people only really care about themselves and have little regard for others anymore
4) It is pretty much a police state of control - high fines, lots of rules controlling your life, CCTV everywhere, speed cameras have motorists in a state of paranoia, etc. - infringing upon liberal freedoms to the point of driving you insane
5) The lack of diversity and things to do plus terrible weather - here I can frequent beaches regularly and enjoy myself
6) A rampant binge drinking culture and a generation who cant have fun without a drink - this is often the result of chronic underlying depression - which is also why many are on medications like Ritalin or resort to just playing video games 24/7 in isolation
7) The property market is a joke. Nobody in their right mind will pay £200k for a 3 bedroom house that isn't detached and probably in some horrible suburb when you can get much better abroad with a garden, swimming pool and take advantage of globalisation.
8) Health care is going down the pan for numerous reasons but the most notable is fiscal mismanagement of governments over the last few decades - due to the lower tax its easier to put the extra money saved into paying for private healthcare abroad which is incredible
9) The lack of justice when it comes to criminality is absurd - the UK is full of idiots who bash immigrants coming to the country but are happy to give a rapist 3 years, or 18 months with good behaviour, cause everyone must be rehabilitated - what a joke. However, if you don't pay taxes you'll probably get 10+ years without question. What a lovely country.
10) The military are not given the protection and equipment they need - they are also advised not to wear their uniform on their own streets for fear of a terrorist attack
11) There is a dumbed down culture in the UK with everyone obsessed with trivial crap - big brother, x factor, all that nonsense as opposed to what truly matters - its no surprised literacy and numeracy standards are falling when there is a trivial culture in the UK and kids who try hard are actually bullied and called nerds or geeks etc. as if its bad to want to do well
12) The UK is full of miserable people who put others with a 'get go' attitude down for doing well - if you try to do well there are negative nellies everywhere telling you 'oh that wont work' or 'you cant do that' because of their own insecurities - they are annoying and only seek to drag you down to their own level because they haven't got the motivation and drive to do anything themselves - everyone is just intent on becoming a white collar worker helping the corporates get even richer
13) Political correctness is a virus - the UK is a country whereby if someone says 'Im proud to be black' they're applauded and paraded around for it. If someone says 'im proud to be white' they're slated, called racist and called EDL or UKIP lovers. Do you know how moronic that comes across to anyone with any sense of rational or logical thought? People outside of the UK laugh at the idiocy of this nonsense.
14) Public service costs are a joke due to privatisation of almost everything - trains are expensive in comparison to elsewhere, taxis are a rip off just like everywhere else, buses are congested and often full of chavs blazing the latest music whilst stinking of marijuana. However, if you opt to drive instead to avoid all of that you have to pay a small fortune every year for the privilege.
15) Finally, the hypocrisy is astounding. The UK, well actually mostly England, goes around with its snooty nose acting like its some sort of utopian paradise and the best country in the world. These morons are totally oblivious to the fact that the Empire is long gone and England is now an overpriced violent chav infested dump. This is a country that slates everyone else for corruption or their problems yet has numerous pedophiles riddled through the establishment, has things like Rotherham going on, numerous expenses scandals and other scandals like price fixing in certain industries. However, wonderful old Britain, is much better than everywhere else....of course it is.

Until you experience being liberated from all the above nonsense you will never know what its truly like to be free. Alternatively you can continue deluding yourselves and believing Britain is still great.

I don't think he wanted a 3 page essay on how to portray yourself as a self righteous prick. I mean, you sound bitter about something and now your trying to justify the choices you've made or the life you lived on a football forum, it's quite bizarre. You create your own reality and obviously the one you've been living in in the uk was very dissatisfying, I'm sorry that you've clearly had such a shit time but the way you generalise and assume everyone in the uk is living in this reality your describing is quite laughable really.

How many are you going to take in then Mr. Blackblue ?

None, because I do not live in the UK due to:

1) Tax being too high - very expensive for startups in business - overregulation is ridiculous as well
2) A culture of dependency, most of whom are white Brits popping out children in their teen years for fun - chav culture - its like everyone is trying to outcompete one another in wearing the best tracksuit
3) A spoilt generation whereby people only really care about themselves and have little regard for others anymore
4) It is pretty much a police state of control - high fines, lots of rules controlling your life, CCTV everywhere, speed cameras have motorists in a state of paranoia, etc. - infringing upon liberal freedoms to the point of driving you insane
5) The lack of diversity and things to do plus terrible weather - here I can frequent beaches regularly and enjoy myself
6) A rampant binge drinking culture and a generation who cant have fun without a drink - this is often the result of chronic underlying depression - which is also why many are on medications like Ritalin or resort to just playing video games 24/7 in isolation
7) The property market is a joke. Nobody in their right mind will pay £200k for a 3 bedroom house that isn't detached and probably in some horrible suburb when you can get much better abroad with a garden, swimming pool and take advantage of globalisation.
8) Health care is going down the pan for numerous reasons but the most notable is fiscal mismanagement of governments over the last few decades - due to the lower tax its easier to put the extra money saved into paying for private healthcare abroad which is incredible
9) The lack of justice when it comes to criminality is absurd - the UK is full of idiots who bash immigrants coming to the country but are happy to give a rapist 3 years, or 18 months with good behaviour, cause everyone must be rehabilitated - what a joke. However, if you don't pay taxes you'll probably get 10+ years without question. What a lovely country.
10) The military are not given the protection and equipment they need - they are also advised not to wear their uniform on their own streets for fear of a terrorist attack
11) There is a dumbed down culture in the UK with everyone obsessed with trivial crap - big brother, x factor, all that nonsense as opposed to what truly matters - its no surprised literacy and numeracy standards are falling when there is a trivial culture in the UK and kids who try hard are actually bullied and called nerds or geeks etc. as if its bad to want to do well
12) The UK is full of miserable people who put others with a 'get go' attitude down for doing well - if you try to do well there are negative nellies everywhere telling you 'oh that wont work' or 'you cant do that' because of their own insecurities - they are annoying and only seek to drag you down to their own level because they haven't got the motivation and drive to do anything themselves - everyone is just intent on becoming a white collar worker helping the corporates get even richer
13) Political correctness is a virus - the UK is a country whereby if someone says 'Im proud to be black' they're applauded and paraded around for it. If someone says 'im proud to be white' they're slated, called racist and called EDL or UKIP lovers. Do you know how moronic that comes across to anyone with any sense of rational or logical thought? People outside of the UK laugh at the idiocy of this nonsense.
14) Public service costs are a joke due to privatisation of almost everything - trains are expensive in comparison to elsewhere, taxis are a rip off just like everywhere else, buses are congested and often full of chavs blazing the latest music whilst stinking of marijuana. However, if you opt to drive instead to avoid all of that you have to pay a small fortune every year for the privilege.
15) Finally, the hypocrisy is astounding. The UK, well actually mostly England, goes around with its snooty nose acting like its some sort of utopian paradise and the best country in the world. These morons are totally oblivious to the fact that the Empire is long gone and England is now an overpriced violent chav infested dump. This is a country that slates everyone else for corruption or their problems yet has numerous pedophiles riddled through the establishment, has things like Rotherham going on, numerous expenses scandals and other scandals like price fixing in certain industries. However, wonderful old Britain, is much better than everywhere else....of course it is.

Until you experience being liberated from all the above nonsense you will never know what its truly like to be free. Alternatively you can continue deluding yourselves and believing Britain is still great.

Paid your student loan back yet? You free loading hypocrite.

he obviously hates the UK, at least he had the good sense to piss off out of this country.

as for migrants, barely any of those that arrive in the UK or Germany are genuine asylum seekers as they travel through several safe countries before setting up here. if they want to move here they should do so legally and join the queue. i'm happy for a pro rata number of genuine asylum seekers to be assigned to the UK in accordance with our population, but the economic migrants at calais should be arrested and put on their way. they are not wanted in the UK.

Paid your student loan back yet? You free loading hypocrite.

I'm paying it back and no, I didn't freeload at all. My parents have paid more than enough tax to cover the costs of my education tenfold.

You create your own reality

Not really true though is it? You can delude yourself that this is the case but the reality is, whilst you do make your own choices, you do them within an environment, through laws, policy, and regulations, that are set in place for you by those in power.

Did you create the reality in which you had to pay high taxes plus national insurance? Did you create the reality in which the UK is full of speed cameras and you get told which colour bin to put your rubbish in? The most control you really have over your own reality is you can assess all the environments on offer around the world and then choose the one which best aligns with the way in which you wish to live. Now if you wish to continue living in an Orwellian state that has the social values of a Brave New World then be my guest but there are plenty of people who do not. It is no coincidence that 90% of expats are happier abroad and that those in the most educated professions, such as medicine, are usually the first to jump ship leaving a brain drain in the UK, which is why the NHS needs to be propped up with doctors from India.

he obviously hates the UK, at least he had the good sense to piss off out of this country.

The UK would be the greatest country in the world if:

a) We hadn't joined the EU
b) Kept our links with the Commonwealth extremely strong creating a political and economical empire around the world
c) Hadn't allowed the Labour Party and Conservatives to fiscally drive the country into the ground
d) Rebalanced our economy to stop it being dependent solely on a service sector
e) Invested more in education and health rather than wasting it on vanity projects and debt interest repayments

So yes, I am bitter. I am bitter that one of the once greatest countries in the world, has been driven right down into the gutter by self loathing arseholes from Eton who only have an interest in serving themselves and the rich.

You create your own reality

Not really true though is it? You can delude yourself that this is the case but the reality is, whilst you do make your own choices, you do them within an environment, through laws, policy, and regulations, that are set in place for you by those in power.

Did you create the reality in which you had to pay high taxes plus national insurance? Did you create the reality in which the UK is full of speed cameras and you get told which colour bin to put your rubbish in? The most control you really have over your own reality is you can assess all the environments on offer around the world and then choose the one which best aligns with the way in which you wish to live. Now if you wish to continue living in an Orwellian state that has the social values of a Brave New World then be my guest but there are plenty of people who do not. It is no coincidence that 90% of expats are happier abroad and that those in the most educated professions, such as medicine, are usually the first to jump ship leaving a brain drain in the UK, which is why the NHS needs to be propped up with doctors from India.

No but I'm living in a reality where these things don't phase me. I'm 25, earn a good wage so I don't have to stress about tax, drive in the speed limit so I don't worry about cameras and couldn't give a rats arse what colour my bin is. I'm working my way towards moving abroad in a few years too, for reasons of my own but trust me I won't look back with such resentment and write sermons on forums of the evils of the Weston world. just except it and move on because all this ranting preaching isn't good for you.

he obviously hates the UK, at least he had the good sense to piss off out of this country.

The UK would be the greatest country in the world if:

a) We hadn't joined the EU
b) Kept our links with the Commonwealth extremely strong creating a political and economical empire around the world
c) Hadn't allowed the Labour Party and Conservatives to fiscally drive the country into the ground
d) Rebalanced our economy to stop it being dependent solely on a service sector
e) Invested more in education and health rather than wasting it on vanity projects and debt interest repayments

So yes, I am bitter. I am bitter that one of the once greatest countries in the world, has been driven right down into the gutter by self loathing arseholes from Eton who only have an interest in serving themselves and the rich.

you whine about the dependancy culture on another thread but the reason they queue up in calais is because of the ease of access to state benefits and housing.

of course legal skilled immigration is a good thing, but there is no need for mass unskilled illegal immigration. we could begin to move forwards as a country if the PC brigade stopped shouting down common sense that the average joe on the street agrees with. if we want to keep the western standard of living we can't keep accepting hundreds of thousands more.

yes i was lucky enough to be born in a developed country, but life is unfair. i shouldn't have to share this tiny island with millions of other people who want to be here just for more money. i don't believe communism is the way forwards.

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Points taken on board. Where do you plan on going, if you don't mind asking?

You create your own reality

Not really true though is it? You can delude yourself that this is the case but the reality is, whilst you do make your own choices, you do them within an environment, through laws, policy, and regulations, that are set in place for you by those in power.

Did you create the reality in which you had to pay high taxes plus national insurance? Did you create the reality in which the UK is full of speed cameras and you get told which colour bin to put your rubbish in? The most control you really have over your own reality is you can assess all the environments on offer around the world and then choose the one which best aligns with the way in which you wish to live. Now if you wish to continue living in an Orwellian state that has the social values of a Brave New World then be my guest but there are plenty of people who do not. It is no coincidence that 90% of expats are happier abroad and that those in the most educated professions, such as medicine, are usually the first to jump ship leaving a brain drain in the UK, which is why the NHS needs to be propped up with doctors from India.

No but I'm living in a reality where these things don't phase me. I'm 25, earn a good wage so I don't have to stress about tax, drive in the speed limit so I don't worry about cameras and couldn't give a rats arse what colour my bin is. I'm working my way towards moving abroad in a few years too, for reasons of my own but trust me I won't look back with such resentment and write sermons on forums of the evils of the Weston world. just except it and move on because all this ranting preaching isn't good for you.

Superbly put Nubbsy.
Bitter & twisted comes to mind ... all on a football forum!

x

Points taken on board. Where do you plan on going, if you don't mind asking?

No I don't mind, there's a few options that would benefit my trade skills; Canada and Australia are probably the front runners but who knows!

I think Balkanblue would feel at home with The Tea Party.There are plenty of like minded individuals there railing against taxes and immigrants.Trouble is most of them are unable to articulate a coherent argument; at least BB has an opinion, perhaps he should apply for your his card and help out the Hockey moms.He obviously hates the UK fair enough f*cking stay where you are
and leave us who live in this shitehole alone, it has its faults but it still a great place to live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS4C7bvHv2w

Immigration is good for the UK. You do not hold a certain right to land just because you were fortunate to be born there. Get off your high horses and think about humanity for a second.

Guess you'll be paying my share of the taxes towards their benefit claims, then.

You should be more worried about Vodaphone; IKEA; Amazon; Boots; Starbucks...the list goes on, paying the £85billion they owe in corporation tax.

You sir! Are the first person I've seen on this message board to say that. You are completely right. Tax fraud dwarves the benefit bill. That extra £85billion (provably more than that) could do wonders for our country. But there's too much corruption.

Immigration is good for the UK. You do not hold a certain right to land just because you were fortunate to be born there. Get off your high horses and think about humanity for a second.

Guess you'll be paying my share of the taxes towards their benefit claims, then.

You should be more worried about Vodaphone; IKEA; Amazon; Boots; Starbucks...the list goes on, paying the £85billion they owe in corporation tax.

You sir! Are the first person I've seen on this message board to say that. You are completely right. Tax fraud dwarves the benefit bill. That extra £85billion (provably more than that) could do wonders for our country. But there's too much corruption.

Exactly what Russel brand is trying to tell everyone, to look at the bigger picture and stop focusing on the distractions the government put in place for us.

You create your own reality

Not really true though is it? You can delude yourself that this is the case but the reality is, whilst you do make your own choices, you do them within an environment, through laws, policy, and regulations, that are set in place for you by those in power.

Did you create the reality in which you had to pay high taxes plus national insurance? Did you create the reality in which the UK is full of speed cameras and you get told which colour bin to put your rubbish in? The most control you really have over your own reality is you can assess all the environments on offer around the world and then choose the one which best aligns with the way in which you wish to live. Now if you wish to continue living in an Orwellian state that has the social values of a Brave New World then be my guest but there are plenty of people who do not. It is no coincidence that 90% of expats are happier abroad and that those in the most educated professions, such as medicine, are usually the first to jump ship leaving a brain drain in the UK, which is why the NHS needs to be propped up with doctors from India.

90% of expats go abroad tolled it over the licals as far as I can see. If you've decided to leave that is your prerogative, if this country doesn't suit you that's fine too, other than that you can shove your self-righteous opinions up your well to do arse. Try putting your efforts into the place you have chosen to live instead of criticising someone else's home. You obviously failed here in some way.

Immigration is good for the UK. You do not hold a certain right to land just because you were fortunate to be born there. Get off your high horses and think about humanity for a second.

Guess you'll be paying my share of the taxes towards their benefit claims, then.

You should be more worried about Vodaphone; IKEA; Amazon; Boots; Starbucks...the list goes on, paying the £85billion they owe in corporation tax.

You sir! Are the first person I've seen on this message board to say that. You are completely right. Tax fraud dwarves the benefit bill. That extra £85billion (provably more than that) could do wonders for our country. But there's too much corruption.

The entire system is tailored for that reason.

They move the sticks to allow the rich and powerful to reap the rewards, while we all squabble over the pennies.

Just because it is within the law, the ultra rich think it is morally ok to do what they do. The law is an ass. As are many of the laws. People have forgotten that the law is effectively a set of guidelines set by the powerful, to control the masses. The people who set them are not better than you or me.

The Tories have looked over the country post crash. A period when growth would have taken place whoever was in charge. They really have not done as much as people make out.

Immigration is good for the UK. You do not hold a certain right to land just because you were fortunate to be born there. Get off your high horses and think about humanity for a second.

Guess you'll be paying my share of the taxes towards their benefit claims, then.

You should be more worried about Vodaphone; IKEA; Amazon; Boots; Starbucks...the list goes on, paying the £85billion they owe in corporation tax.

Spot on. Everything else pales in significance to the money owed by the banks and those cunts.