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Bluebirds-1927 wrote:Andy Burnham for me
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Depressed Blue wrote:Yvette cooper.apart from when she puts about 2 hundred facial emotions into every sentence.
Would have been Chuka Umunna
Burnham is shite. Looks like a thunderbird and harps on about being a northerner.
Kendall..... As pm? Next
Corbyn for a laugh. Why not. At least he is his own man and stands by what he believes in.
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:51 am
drivingblue wrote:Depressed Blue wrote:Yvette cooper.apart from when she puts about 2 hundred facial emotions into every sentence.
Would have been Chuka Umunna
Burnham is shite. Looks like a thunderbird and harps on about being a northerner.
Kendall..... As pm? Next
Corbyn for a laugh. Why not. At least he is his own man and stands by what he believes in.
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:33 am
murphy wrote:Labour are as good as finished, they've fucked this country right up. Scummy, horrible party.
Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:45 am
City Slicker wrote:Jeremy Corbyn of course, the only credible choice. Labour needs to connect with its roots and stop being Blairite "Tory Light". To get on in life you need to stick up for what you believe in, not run with the hares and the hounds!
Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:15 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:murphy wrote:Labour are as good as finished, they've fucked this country right up. Scummy, horrible party.
NHS, Minimum Wage, Employment Rights, Fox Hunting Ban to mention 4 of things this horrible scummy party is responsible for.
Only the ignorant and uninformed state Labour "fucked the country right up". No they never reckless banks did that and no matter which party was in power at the time the economy would have faced a financial crash. Indeed in the 2 years from the financial crash until the 2010 election Labour managed the crisis very well and the economy was growing when they left power.
Where the last Labour Government really fucked up was with its immigration policy which had a huge impact on its natural support in working class areas.
Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:28 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:murphy wrote:Labour are as good as finished, they've fucked this country right up. Scummy, horrible party.
NHS, Minimum Wage, Employment Rights, Fox Hunting Ban to mention 4 of things this horrible scummy party is responsible for.
Only the ignorant and uninformed state Labour "fucked the country right up". No they never reckless banks did that and no matter which party was in power at the time the economy would have faced a financial crash. Indeed in the 2 years from the financial crash until the 2010 election Labour managed the crisis very well and the economy was growing when they left power.
Where the last Labour Government really fucked up was with its immigration policy which had a huge impact on its natural support in working class areas.
Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:29 am
Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:40 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:City Slicker wrote:Jeremy Corbyn of course, the only credible choice. Labour needs to connect with its roots and stop being Blairite "Tory Light". To get on in life you need to stick up for what you believe in, not run with the hares and the hounds!
I met Jeremy Corbyn briefly at the Labour leader hustings at City Hall 2 weeks ago and he is a very genuine fella who thinks outside the box.
However, Labour need more than its root support if they are to gain power again. If you want a Labour Government then it has to be a Blairite version because traditional support alone is not big enough to deliver one. Blair will now be mainly remembered for the Iraq war which is sad because his Government made massive investments in the NHS, Education and other public services which had been devastated by 18 years of Tory rule before 1997.
Yvette Cooper is my choice (as a member I will be voting in the leadership election) as I believe David Cameron has a huge problem with women and it would be interesting to see him at PMQ's against a smooth operator like YC. Also she would have wider appeal and Labour needs its own version of Nicola Sturgeon to take on the SNP in Scotland.
Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:50 am
Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:14 pm
balkanblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:City Slicker wrote:Jeremy Corbyn of course, the only credible choice. Labour needs to connect with its roots and stop being Blairite "Tory Light". To get on in life you need to stick up for what you believe in, not run with the hares and the hounds!
I met Jeremy Corbyn briefly at the Labour leader hustings at City Hall 2 weeks ago and he is a very genuine fella who thinks outside the box.
However, Labour need more than its root support if they are to gain power again. If you want a Labour Government then it has to be a Blairite version because traditional support alone is not big enough to deliver one. Blair will now be mainly remembered for the Iraq war which is sad because his Government made massive investments in the NHS, Education and other public services which had been devastated by 18 years of Tory rule before 1997.
Yvette Cooper is my choice (as a member I will be voting in the leadership election) as I believe David Cameron has a huge problem with women and it would be interesting to see him at PMQ's against a smooth operator like YC. Also she would have wider appeal and Labour needs its own version of Nicola Sturgeon to take on the SNP in Scotland.
1. Labour will lose massive support if it goes the Blairite route
2. Blair, just like the Tories, also pandered to the corporate elite so lets get that fact straight
3. Labour needs to provide a genuine alternative - not a light version of Tory austerity
4. Labour needs to win back working class UKIP voters, dent the leftist SNP, win back Greens, bring back the disillusioned no voters and gain new voters. Corbyn is the only one left enough to achieve any of that.
5. To go the Blairite route again would just prove once again that Labour is in it for itself at the expense of the electorate and will do whatever it takes to win, even if that means selling out on its true values and turning its back on those it claimed to and initially represented.
Corbyn is the only one who'll get my vote and I know loads around my age who feel the same. He speaks his mind and says it like it is and stands up for true Old Labour values, back when the UK was a country that had more people who cared about other people. Now it is becoming an Americanised cesspit of materialism and money worshipping with everyone only focused on themselves. The rest of them are just corporatist public relations puppets.
The two people the corporate elites and political elites who cuddle up to them hate at the moment are Corbyn, which is why theres already talk of a possible coup (how very democratic) and Nigel Farage, who wants to stand up to them and stop their monopoly by cutting regulations which would allow a lot more SME's to become competitive in a freer and fairer market.
Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:18 pm
balkanblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:City Slicker wrote:Jeremy Corbyn of course, the only credible choice. Labour needs to connect with its roots and stop being Blairite "Tory Light". To get on in life you need to stick up for what you believe in, not run with the hares and the hounds!
I met Jeremy Corbyn briefly at the Labour leader hustings at City Hall 2 weeks ago and he is a very genuine fella who thinks outside the box.
However, Labour need more than its root support if they are to gain power again. If you want a Labour Government then it has to be a Blairite version because traditional support alone is not big enough to deliver one. Blair will now be mainly remembered for the Iraq war which is sad because his Government made massive investments in the NHS, Education and other public services which had been devastated by 18 years of Tory rule before 1997.
Yvette Cooper is my choice (as a member I will be voting in the leadership election) as I believe David Cameron has a huge problem with women and it would be interesting to see him at PMQ's against a smooth operator like YC. Also she would have wider appeal and Labour needs its own version of Nicola Sturgeon to take on the SNP in Scotland.
1. Labour will lose massive support if it goes the Blairite route
2. Blair, just like the Tories, also pandered to the corporate elite so lets get that fact straight
3. Labour needs to provide a genuine alternative - not a light version of Tory austerity
4. Labour needs to win back working class UKIP voters, dent the leftist SNP, win back Greens, bring back the disillusioned no voters and gain new voters. Corbyn is the only one left enough to achieve any of that.
5. To go the Blairite route again would just prove once again that Labour is in it for itself at the expense of the electorate and will do whatever it takes to win, even if that means selling out on its true values and turning its back on those it claimed to and initially represented.
Corbyn is the only one who'll get my vote and I know loads around my age who feel the same. He speaks his mind and says it like it is and stands up for true Old Labour values, back when the UK was a country that had more people who cared about other people. Now it is becoming an Americanised cesspit of materialism and money worshipping with everyone only focused on themselves. The rest of them are just corporatist public relations puppets.
The two people the corporate elites and political elites who cuddle up to them hate at the moment are Corbyn, which is why theres already talk of a possible coup (how very democratic) and Nigel Farage, who wants to stand up to them and stop their monopoly by cutting regulations which would allow a lot more SME's to become competitive in a freer and fairer market.
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:29 pm
mjw6150 wrote:Kendall is the only one who might win the 2020 election, she has the right balance between left wing and right wing ideas to gain the central ground any serious UK political party needs in order to win an election.
Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:44 pm
balkanblue wrote:Corbyn is the only Labour option available. The rest are closet Tories pretending to stand up for the 99% working class whilst behind closed doors continuing to pander to the rife and rampant corporatism that is crippling and dividing western societies. When will people learn that having a McDonalds, Starbucks and Apple store on every corner is not the key to a successful and happy society? It is a quick superficial and materialistic fix trying to appease people and keep them occupied. Capitalism is evil and doesn't bring true happiness. It is as bad as communism. Communism starves society and sees people as producers to serve the state and get rich. Capitalism overfeeds society until it becomes sick and only sees people as consumers to exploit to get rich. Both systems are inherently evil and two sides of the same coin.
Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:53 pm
Zabier wrote:balkanblue wrote:Corbyn is the only Labour option available. The rest are closet Tories pretending to stand up for the 99% working class whilst behind closed doors continuing to pander to the rife and rampant corporatism that is crippling and dividing western societies. When will people learn that having a McDonalds, Starbucks and Apple store on every corner is not the key to a successful and happy society? It is a quick superficial and materialistic fix trying to appease people and keep them occupied. Capitalism is evil and doesn't bring true happiness. It is as bad as communism. Communism starves society and sees people as producers to serve the state and get rich. Capitalism overfeeds society until it becomes sick and only sees people as consumers to exploit to get rich. Both systems are inherently evil and two sides of the same coin.
A great post. Personally, I don't believe in all of the policies of any of the parties. I would say out of everyone my views are more left centre. I believe everyone should chip in to make society work but unfortunately there will always be those that take advantage of that system at the top and at the bottom. How do we deal with that? Society has been striving since the dawn of time to solve that problem.
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