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POLL - Next Labour leader?

Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:57 pm

Getting closer to their leadership election now, who does everyone feel will be the next leader of the Labour Party?

Andy Burnham is the best option, for me.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:28 pm

Corbyn is the only Labour option available. The rest are closet Tories pretending to stand up for the 99% working class whilst behind closed doors continuing to pander to the rife and rampant corporatism that is crippling and dividing western societies. When will people learn that having a McDonalds, Starbucks and Apple store on every corner is not the key to a successful and happy society? It is a quick superficial and materialistic fix trying to appease people and keep them occupied. Capitalism is evil and doesn't bring true happiness. It is as bad as communism. Communism starves society and sees people as producers to serve the state and get rich. Capitalism overfeeds society until it becomes sick and only sees people as consumers to exploit to get rich. Both systems are inherently evil and two sides of the same coin.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:30 pm

Dunno, don't care. No vote for me. this is a football forum. Might be worth starting an off topic off this forum for non football chat

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:38 pm

Andy Burnham for me :thumbright:

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:49 pm

Bluebirds-1927 wrote:Andy Burnham for me :thumbright:

Hes a joke.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:51 pm

Andy Burnham says Labour cannot abstain and then does so himself. Absolute moron.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:57 pm

Burnham the best of a bad Field - but great for me as a Tory boy !!! ha, ha - hail the abuse :!:

Blooobirds Forever !!! :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluebird:

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:00 pm

Yvette cooper.apart from when she puts about 2 hundred facial emotions into every sentence.

Would have been Chuka Umunna

Burnham is shite. Looks like a thunderbird and harps on about being a northerner.

Kendall..... As pm? Next

Corbyn for a laugh. Why not. At least he is his own man and stands by what he believes in.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:23 pm

Don't really care since Blair and how he messed the country up.

Always used to vote Labour - never will again - they no longer represent the working people of this country :old:

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:38 pm

Corbyn

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:56 pm

Labour are as good as finished, they've fucked this country right up. Scummy, horrible party.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:23 pm

Depressed Blue wrote:Yvette cooper.apart from when she puts about 2 hundred facial emotions into every sentence.

Would have been Chuka Umunna

Burnham is shite. Looks like a thunderbird and harps on about being a northerner.

Kendall..... As pm? Next

Corbyn for a laugh. Why not. At least he is his own man and stands by what he believes in.


Looks Like A Thunderbird :lol: :lol: :lol: :laughing6: :laughing6: :thumbup:

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:36 pm

Jeremy Corbyn of course, the only credible choice. Labour needs to connect with its roots and stop being Blairite "Tory Light". To get on in life you need to stick up for what you believe in, not run with the hares and the hounds!

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:51 am

drivingblue wrote:
Depressed Blue wrote:Yvette cooper.apart from when she puts about 2 hundred facial emotions into every sentence.

Would have been Chuka Umunna

Burnham is shite. Looks like a thunderbird and harps on about being a northerner.

Kendall..... As pm? Next

Corbyn for a laugh. Why not. At least he is his own man and stands by what he believes in.


Looks Like A Thunderbird :lol: :lol: :lol: :laughing6: :laughing6: :thumbup:


I didn't think of it!

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Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:33 am

murphy wrote:Labour are as good as finished, they've fucked this country right up. Scummy, horrible party.


NHS, Minimum Wage, Employment Rights, Fox Hunting Ban to mention 4 of things this horrible scummy party is responsible for.

Only the ignorant and uninformed state Labour "fucked the country right up". No they never reckless banks did that and no matter which party was in power at the time the economy would have faced a financial crash. Indeed in the 2 years from the financial crash until the 2010 election Labour managed the crisis very well and the economy was growing when they left power.

Where the last Labour Government really fucked up was with its immigration policy which had a huge impact on its natural support in working class areas.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:45 am

City Slicker wrote:Jeremy Corbyn of course, the only credible choice. Labour needs to connect with its roots and stop being Blairite "Tory Light". To get on in life you need to stick up for what you believe in, not run with the hares and the hounds!


I met Jeremy Corbyn briefly at the Labour leader hustings at City Hall 2 weeks ago and he is a very genuine fella who thinks outside the box.

However, Labour need more than its root support if they are to gain power again. If you want a Labour Government then it has to be a Blairite version because traditional support alone is not big enough to deliver one. Blair will now be mainly remembered for the Iraq war which is sad because his Government made massive investments in the NHS, Education and other public services which had been devastated by 18 years of Tory rule before 1997.

Yvette Cooper is my choice (as a member I will be voting in the leadership election) as I believe David Cameron has a huge problem with women and it would be interesting to see him at PMQ's against a smooth operator like YC. Also she would have wider appeal and Labour needs its own version of Nicola Sturgeon to take on the SNP in Scotland.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:15 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
murphy wrote:Labour are as good as finished, they've fucked this country right up. Scummy, horrible party.


NHS, Minimum Wage, Employment Rights, Fox Hunting Ban to mention 4 of things this horrible scummy party is responsible for.

Only the ignorant and uninformed state Labour "fucked the country right up". No they never reckless banks did that and no matter which party was in power at the time the economy would have faced a financial crash. Indeed in the 2 years from the financial crash until the 2010 election Labour managed the crisis very well and the economy was growing when they left power.

Where the last Labour Government really fucked up was with its immigration policy which had a huge impact on its natural support in working class areas.


Exactly, the country is overrun with immigrants putting a strain on NHS and education facilities. Lets not forget many of them immigrants want to kill us and are also brainwashing british born muslims into feeling the same. Only worse its going to get thanks to labour.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:28 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
murphy wrote:Labour are as good as finished, they've fucked this country right up. Scummy, horrible party.


NHS, Minimum Wage, Employment Rights, Fox Hunting Ban to mention 4 of things this horrible scummy party is responsible for.

Only the ignorant and uninformed state Labour "fucked the country right up". No they never reckless banks did that and no matter which party was in power at the time the economy would have faced a financial crash. Indeed in the 2 years from the financial crash until the 2010 election Labour managed the crisis very well and the economy was growing when they left power.

Where the last Labour Government really fucked up was with its immigration policy which had a huge impact on its natural support in working class areas.


Gordon Brown wanted complete control of the banks (he admitted in a speech before becoming leader) and that is what "******" them, and us up. Heard the saying Safe as the Bank of England? Well it was safe for 200 years until Brown intefered in it.
Labour only created worthless, bureaucratic pen pushing public service jobs to make it look like jobs were created. These were funded by tax and borrow policies with future generations left to pay for it. They were short term pre-election fixes that created a welfare dependant population.
The NHS is a national disaster and it is nothing to do with funding but incompetence of management and staff. Or do you believe that people will care more if they are paid more?
The immigration policy was to get more labour votes as traditionally immigrants vote Labour. So it was a deliberate policy that looks to have backfired on them, and the country as a whole will now suffer. As you say this has created a massive drain on public services, education and housing. Millions of people flooding the country has changed the natural balance of communities and over whelmed the local services.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:29 am

No one gives a flyin fek about Communist Labour anymore - waste of a poll alert!! :lol:

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:40 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
City Slicker wrote:Jeremy Corbyn of course, the only credible choice. Labour needs to connect with its roots and stop being Blairite "Tory Light". To get on in life you need to stick up for what you believe in, not run with the hares and the hounds!


I met Jeremy Corbyn briefly at the Labour leader hustings at City Hall 2 weeks ago and he is a very genuine fella who thinks outside the box.

However, Labour need more than its root support if they are to gain power again. If you want a Labour Government then it has to be a Blairite version because traditional support alone is not big enough to deliver one. Blair will now be mainly remembered for the Iraq war which is sad because his Government made massive investments in the NHS, Education and other public services which had been devastated by 18 years of Tory rule before 1997.

Yvette Cooper is my choice (as a member I will be voting in the leadership election) as I believe David Cameron has a huge problem with women and it would be interesting to see him at PMQ's against a smooth operator like YC. Also she would have wider appeal and Labour needs its own version of Nicola Sturgeon to take on the SNP in Scotland.


1. Labour will lose massive support if it goes the Blairite route
2. Blair, just like the Tories, also pandered to the corporate elite so lets get that fact straight
3. Labour needs to provide a genuine alternative - not a light version of Tory austerity
4. Labour needs to win back working class UKIP voters, dent the leftist SNP, win back Greens, bring back the disillusioned no voters and gain new voters. Corbyn is the only one left enough to achieve any of that.
5. To go the Blairite route again would just prove once again that Labour is in it for itself at the expense of the electorate and will do whatever it takes to win, even if that means selling out on its true values and turning its back on those it claimed to and initially represented.

Corbyn is the only one who'll get my vote and I know loads around my age who feel the same. He speaks his mind and says it like it is and stands up for true Old Labour values, back when the UK was a country that had more people who cared about other people. Now it is becoming an Americanised cesspit of materialism and money worshipping with everyone only focused on themselves. The rest of them are just corporatist public relations puppets.

The two people the corporate elites and political elites who cuddle up to them hate at the moment are Corbyn, which is why theres already talk of a possible coup (how very democratic) and Nigel Farage, who wants to stand up to them and stop their monopoly by cutting regulations which would allow a lot more SME's to become competitive in a freer and fairer market.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:50 am

As a Conservative, I would love Corbyn to be elected, which would mean the Socialist's being in the political wilderness for at least a decade

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:14 pm

balkanblue wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
City Slicker wrote:Jeremy Corbyn of course, the only credible choice. Labour needs to connect with its roots and stop being Blairite "Tory Light". To get on in life you need to stick up for what you believe in, not run with the hares and the hounds!


I met Jeremy Corbyn briefly at the Labour leader hustings at City Hall 2 weeks ago and he is a very genuine fella who thinks outside the box.

However, Labour need more than its root support if they are to gain power again. If you want a Labour Government then it has to be a Blairite version because traditional support alone is not big enough to deliver one. Blair will now be mainly remembered for the Iraq war which is sad because his Government made massive investments in the NHS, Education and other public services which had been devastated by 18 years of Tory rule before 1997.

Yvette Cooper is my choice (as a member I will be voting in the leadership election) as I believe David Cameron has a huge problem with women and it would be interesting to see him at PMQ's against a smooth operator like YC. Also she would have wider appeal and Labour needs its own version of Nicola Sturgeon to take on the SNP in Scotland.


1. Labour will lose massive support if it goes the Blairite route
2. Blair, just like the Tories, also pandered to the corporate elite so lets get that fact straight
3. Labour needs to provide a genuine alternative - not a light version of Tory austerity
4. Labour needs to win back working class UKIP voters, dent the leftist SNP, win back Greens, bring back the disillusioned no voters and gain new voters. Corbyn is the only one left enough to achieve any of that.
5. To go the Blairite route again would just prove once again that Labour is in it for itself at the expense of the electorate and will do whatever it takes to win, even if that means selling out on its true values and turning its back on those it claimed to and initially represented.

Corbyn is the only one who'll get my vote and I know loads around my age who feel the same. He speaks his mind and says it like it is and stands up for true Old Labour values, back when the UK was a country that had more people who cared about other people. Now it is becoming an Americanised cesspit of materialism and money worshipping with everyone only focused on themselves. The rest of them are just corporatist public relations puppets.

The two people the corporate elites and political elites who cuddle up to them hate at the moment are Corbyn, which is why theres already talk of a possible coup (how very democratic) and Nigel Farage, who wants to stand up to them and stop their monopoly by cutting regulations which would allow a lot more SME's to become competitive in a freer and fairer market.



Hear hear!

Going Blairite again will be a disaster. It will just feed into Tory hands and shift the nation even more to the right as a whole. These present twats who are in power will however do all that is needed to get Labour ideals back in power because they will hang themselves with their ridiculous anti poor policies and soon alienate all the working class aspirationists who voted for them. Politics goes in circles and the day will come when people will realise they have been duped and will be voting in droves for an "Anti-Tory" coalition to rid us of this evil menace. If Labour starts reeducating people now on the values of their core beliefs they can be at the vanguard of a new anti-right movement which will inspire us all.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:18 pm

balkanblue wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
City Slicker wrote:Jeremy Corbyn of course, the only credible choice. Labour needs to connect with its roots and stop being Blairite "Tory Light". To get on in life you need to stick up for what you believe in, not run with the hares and the hounds!


I met Jeremy Corbyn briefly at the Labour leader hustings at City Hall 2 weeks ago and he is a very genuine fella who thinks outside the box.

However, Labour need more than its root support if they are to gain power again. If you want a Labour Government then it has to be a Blairite version because traditional support alone is not big enough to deliver one. Blair will now be mainly remembered for the Iraq war which is sad because his Government made massive investments in the NHS, Education and other public services which had been devastated by 18 years of Tory rule before 1997.

Yvette Cooper is my choice (as a member I will be voting in the leadership election) as I believe David Cameron has a huge problem with women and it would be interesting to see him at PMQ's against a smooth operator like YC. Also she would have wider appeal and Labour needs its own version of Nicola Sturgeon to take on the SNP in Scotland.


1. Labour will lose massive support if it goes the Blairite route
2. Blair, just like the Tories, also pandered to the corporate elite so lets get that fact straight
3. Labour needs to provide a genuine alternative - not a light version of Tory austerity
4. Labour needs to win back working class UKIP voters, dent the leftist SNP, win back Greens, bring back the disillusioned no voters and gain new voters. Corbyn is the only one left enough to achieve any of that.
5. To go the Blairite route again would just prove once again that Labour is in it for itself at the expense of the electorate and will do whatever it takes to win, even if that means selling out on its true values and turning its back on those it claimed to and initially represented.

Corbyn is the only one who'll get my vote and I know loads around my age who feel the same. He speaks his mind and says it like it is and stands up for true Old Labour values, back when the UK was a country that had more people who cared about other people. Now it is becoming an Americanised cesspit of materialism and money worshipping with everyone only focused on themselves. The rest of them are just corporatist public relations puppets.

The two people the corporate elites and political elites who cuddle up to them hate at the moment are Corbyn, which is why theres already talk of a possible coup (how very democratic) and Nigel Farage, who wants to stand up to them and stop their monopoly by cutting regulations which would allow a lot more SME's to become competitive in a freer and fairer market.



Hear hear!

Going Blairite again will be a disaster. It will just feed into Tory hands and shift the nation even more to the right as a whole. These present twats who are in power will however do all that is needed to get Labour ideals back in power because they will hang themselves with their ridiculous anti poor policies and soon alienate all the working class aspirationists who voted for them. Politics goes in circles and the day will come when people will realise they have been duped and will be voting in droves for an "Anti-Tory" coalition to rid us of this evil menace. If Labour starts reeducating people now on the values of their core beliefs they can be at the vanguard of a new anti-right movement which will inspire us all.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:40 pm

Kendall is the only one who might win the 2020 election, she has the right balance between left wing and right wing ideas to gain the central ground any serious UK political party needs in order to win an election.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:29 pm

mjw6150 wrote:Kendall is the only one who might win the 2020 election, she has the right balance between left wing and right wing ideas to gain the central ground any serious UK political party needs in order to win an election.


She is a deluded closet Tory who wants to pander to the right. You may as well vote for the Tories. The only difference between those at the right of Labour and the Tories is they stick the austerity knife in slower from behind. At least the Tories have the decency to openly admit to despising you, cater to the economic elite and look you in the face when they do it.

Blairite politics is based on deceit and pandering to Tories on the false premise of actually caring for the poorest in society. Its a complete con. If you're dumb enough to be roped into voting for it then quite frankly you deserve all the cuts and Tory-light policies that come your way, nevermind the support they have for furthering authoritarian social policy infringing upon the civil liberties of everyone.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:44 pm

balkanblue wrote:Corbyn is the only Labour option available. The rest are closet Tories pretending to stand up for the 99% working class whilst behind closed doors continuing to pander to the rife and rampant corporatism that is crippling and dividing western societies. When will people learn that having a McDonalds, Starbucks and Apple store on every corner is not the key to a successful and happy society? It is a quick superficial and materialistic fix trying to appease people and keep them occupied. Capitalism is evil and doesn't bring true happiness. It is as bad as communism. Communism starves society and sees people as producers to serve the state and get rich. Capitalism overfeeds society until it becomes sick and only sees people as consumers to exploit to get rich. Both systems are inherently evil and two sides of the same coin.


A great post. Personally, I don't believe in all of the policies of any of the parties. I would say out of everyone my views are more left centre. I believe everyone should chip in to make society work but unfortunately there will always be those that take advantage of that system at the top and at the bottom. How do we deal with that? Society has been striving since the dawn of time to solve that problem.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:53 pm

Zabier wrote:
balkanblue wrote:Corbyn is the only Labour option available. The rest are closet Tories pretending to stand up for the 99% working class whilst behind closed doors continuing to pander to the rife and rampant corporatism that is crippling and dividing western societies. When will people learn that having a McDonalds, Starbucks and Apple store on every corner is not the key to a successful and happy society? It is a quick superficial and materialistic fix trying to appease people and keep them occupied. Capitalism is evil and doesn't bring true happiness. It is as bad as communism. Communism starves society and sees people as producers to serve the state and get rich. Capitalism overfeeds society until it becomes sick and only sees people as consumers to exploit to get rich. Both systems are inherently evil and two sides of the same coin.


A great post. Personally, I don't believe in all of the policies of any of the parties. I would say out of everyone my views are more left centre. I believe everyone should chip in to make society work but unfortunately there will always be those that take advantage of that system at the top and at the bottom. How do we deal with that? Society has been striving since the dawn of time to solve that problem.


Easy answer: collective reward and responsibility for all and education on the perils of the malaise of ego.

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:39 pm

Who's left to vote for labour? The poor won't cause they Shit all over us the rich wants torys the only ones left is the middle class but it's ukip for me :thumbup:

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:32 pm

If Corbyn got in then they are fucked for a generation. It's Michael Foot all over again and look what happened to him!!! Pmsl

Re: POLL - Next Labour leader?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:22 pm

It is odd that people think the destruction of the left will be good for them.

It will be bad for every single one of us if the tories have free reign.

However much you laud their running of the economy post crash.