" MASSIVE SETBACK FOR FOOTBALL IN BRITAIN "

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Thursday 16th July 2015

" Cardiff City chairman Mehmet Dalman says FA decision on Malky Mackay is 'massive setback for football in Britain'"

BY TERRY PHILLIPS

Bluebirds boss hits out after FA clear Mackay and former Cardiff number two Iain Moody over 'textgate' furore

Cardiff City chairman Mehmet Dalman has described the Football Association’s decision to take no action against Malky Mackay and Iain Moody as a 'massive setback for British football'.

The 11-month investigation into alleged racist, sexist and homophobic messages sent while Mackay and Moody were employed by Cardiff finally came to a conclusion today as the FA revealed no action would be taken.

And a disappointed Dalman told Sky Sports: “This decision is a massive setback for football in Britain in this day and age.

“It suggests our governing body is not prepared to punish people. We did not ask for a life ban or anything like that, but they (Football Association) should have made it clear what they did was wrong."

Club sources have previously suggested Tan would be prepared to take the matter to Fifa, the European Court for Sports Arbitration or judicial review if the FA did not act strongly enough. It remains to be seen what steps, if any, the club will take.

Announcing their findings today, the FA said they had spoken to Mackay and Moody about the inappropriateness of terms used in the messages.

However they stated no action would be taken because the communications were sent in private. The FA say they spoke to 27 witnesses while debating the matter, which included members of Cardiff’s staff.

The messages were sent between June 2011 and March 2014 and an FA statement says they first became aware of them in August 2014.

The statement said: “The FA’s investigation looked at all aspects of the communications, including the context in which the communications were sent.

“The evidence was then reviewed by a QC with particular expertise in sports’ disciplinary proceedings and employment law.

“Having assessed the evidence, and in light of the finding that the communications were sent with a legitimate expectation of privacy, The FA will not be taking disciplinary action against Iain Moody and Malky Mackay in connection with the content of those messages.”

I wish the club and fans would both get over the saga. The love in with Malky is having consequences on many fans backing the club and manager at the moment, and the sooner it's done the better.

Can't even be arsed to read about it now, it's just dragging on

I wish the club and fans would both get over the saga. The love in with Malky is having consequences on many fans backing the club and manager at the moment, and the sooner it's done the better.

Can't even be arsed to read about it now, it's just dragging on

Cal, it's not the club its Tan and its Tan who has kept this saga going, No one else

The two of them made racist ect ect remarks no one can dispute those facts! The FA are at fault for not acting in scudamore affair over private texts ect as they said they would! But Got to laugh at people defending lord malky as some sort of God! And blaming tan for the whole affair! The question us who is in wrong Person who sent texts ect or person who made authorities aware of them?
And it is set back for racism in football as people twice have got off Scot free.

Last edited by pembroke allan on Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.

It's not the club, It's not the fans, it's one man Tan and that's the problem



Everyone on here Supports and Loves Cardiff City, just one man One man Tan Divides us all
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In my opinion, what they did was morally questionable, but not exactly anything illegal. I'd be surprised if most people haven't sent a text or two that wasn't edgy, but if it was sent between two people (not said to the person its about), then it stays as a morale question

The F A have bottled it again
I do not believe malky is anymore racist than me or most people on here or in Britain but saying that what he and moody did unfortunately does bring the game into disrepute so the F A had to act and do something
fine ban whatever but yet again the F A chickened out

It's not the club, It's not the fans, it's one man Tan and that's the problem



Everyone on here Supports and Loves Cardiff City, just one man One man Tan Divides us all
, We all have opinions

Agree with that Annis, it would of benefited the club to of got on with trying to make a success of the club rather than investigating and trying to find more dirt on two ex employees.

I don't think Leicester will start a million pound investigation into their sacked and disgraced players. I'm sure their priority will be to compete next year in the PL.

I don't doubt that many people on here including myself have made distasteful remarks about race etc

But to blame tan here is pure lunacy

He did not put words or actions in malkys mouth or make malky send those texts and emails and to put any blame on tan here shows how bitter some are to him over any little thing even if it isn't his doing

The FA have got around this purely on their private information piece which only came about due to a member high up gettin caught out and not recieving punishment that sent a precedent for anyone found to be doing this privately receiving zero punishment in future, this should have made this case based on that fact and that statement made today easy to deal with and this should have been dealt with 11 months ago the fact it wasn't just makes the FA look like even further imbeciles

I don't doubt that many people on here including myself have made distasteful remarks about race etc

But to blame tan here is pure lunacy

He did not put words or actions in malkys mouth or make malky send those texts and emails and to put any blame on tan here shows how bitter some are to him over any little thing even if it isn't his doing

The FA have got around this purely on their private information piece which only came about due to a member high up gettin caught out and not recieving punishment that sent a precedent for anyone found to be doing this privately receiving zero punishment in future, this should have made this case based on that fact and that statement made today easy to deal with and this should have been dealt with 11 months ago the fact it wasn't just makes the FA look like even further imbeciles

Tan continued a witch hunt,Malky was ruined after he left City,but that was not enough for Tan and every month we would have another daft statement, a bit like how he laughed at us over the rebrand every month,

I don't know how to do a link but there is a decent piece on this by David Conn on The Guardian website.

I don't doubt that many people on here including myself have made distasteful remarks about race etc

But to blame tan here is pure lunacy

He did not put words or actions in malkys mouth or make malky send those texts and emails and to put any blame on tan here shows how bitter some are to him over any little thing even if it isn't his doing

The FA have got around this purely on their private information piece which only came about due to a member high up gettin caught out and not recieving punishment that sent a precedent for anyone found to be doing this privately receiving zero punishment in future, this should have made this case based on that fact and that statement made today easy to deal with and this should have been dealt with 11 months ago the fact it wasn't just makes the FA look like even further imbeciles

Tan continued a witch hunt,Malky was ruined after he left City,but that was not enough for Tan and every month we would have another daft statement, a bit like how he laughed at us over the rebrand every month,

This has nothing to do with the rebrand annis and the fact is brought up here to back up any hatred we have tan is completely irrelevant

Malky was wrong bottom line, this was always going to damage his career club had a duty to report it which they did


FA have now dealt with the matter so that's done and dusted

Whether tan is still pursuing the money he feels he's been defrauded by is another matter and up to him but not matter what anyone thinks of tan himself and the club had a duty to report what was found in those emails and texts under FA rules

Exaggerated headline and the FA have shown themselves weak.

The F A have bottled it again
I do not believe malky is anymore racist than me or most people on here or in Britain but saying that what he and moody did unfortunately does bring the game into disrepute so the F A had to act and do something
fine ban whatever but yet again the F A chickened out

I agree with you on most of this. The only thing I feel that both of them could have been fined for is, as you said, bringing the game into disrepute. However, part of me thinks that the texts were private (as you said, no more racist than you or me), and was only brought into public view by Tan (or whoever on the Cardiff board), and that makes me think that its not actually either of their faults, so shouldn't be charged for that.

f*cking hell why won't Tan and co get over it, move the f**k on

Would like to see the club move on, but regardless of that, it's shameful that the FA have taken no action.

f*cking hell why won't Tan and co get over it, move the f**k on

Spot on Jon, then us fans can

Another embarrassing chapter in our club's turbulent history. Hopefully, this will now be the end of it.

It is always easy to say "move on" when the insult (racist remarks) or the money (the supposed fraud) is not yours. Yes Tan maybe the driver behind pursuing MM but put yourself in his shoes, if someone made remarks you find repulsive and wasted YOUR money to the extent MM did then I bet absolutely that your view would be different.

Mind you the most fascinating thing about this is basically the FA (& the Law) says that being two faced on opinions is OK but being honest and up front is not!

I don't know how to do a link but there is a decent piece on this by David Conn on The Guardian website.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... cist-texts


The instinctive, natural reaction to the Football Association announcement that it will not be charging Malky Mackay or Iain Moody over their foul, shockingly racist text exchanges is to deride the FA – once again – as useless, a bunch of blazers out of touch with modernity.

Yet that time-served exasperation with the FA and all its works is itself out of date now, and would be, perhaps surprisingly, unfair in this case.

The truth about the failure to charge the former manager and head of recruitment at Cardiff City, despite the startlingly crude insults they shared, is that it has not been for the want of trying.

During the nine months the FA has taken since receiving the full report of the text exchanges – which were discovered by Cardiff lawyers in a trawl actually investigating the pair’s financial dealings – the FA governance department investigators have not been whistling around Wembley’s circular corridors unconcerned by the racism expressed. The fact this has turned out to be a straightforward decision that could have been made in days – the text exchanges, however vile, were private and so outside the FA’s current, albeit unsatisfactory rule – in fact shows the FA pushed hard to go beyond that constraint, before finally admitting defeat.

The FA tried to make that clear as long ago as November, after the then Wigan Athletic chairman Dave Whelan appointed Mackay as manager and said he had been tipped off that Mackay would face no charges. Whelan, of course, went on to say Mackay had done “not a lot wrong” to call the Cardiff owner Vincent Tan a “chink” in one text, or say of the agent Phil Smith “nothing like a Jew that sees money slipping through his fingers”. Whelan then went on to make antisemitic remarks of his own which did draw a swift disciplinary charge and six-week ban.

In recent years, through the cases against Luis Suárez, John Terry, Nicolas Anelka, Whelan and others, the FA has undoubtedly shown it has markedly changed in its attitudes and preparedness to act on racist incidents, and Mackay and Moody have not been left lightly investigated.

In its November statement, the FA denied that any assurances had been given to Whelan over Mackay, and said that in fact it had widened its investigation, to see if Mackay’s texts with Moody “indicate a culture in which other acts of a discriminatory nature may have taken place”.

That was a strong signal that the FA already knew, early on, that it would struggle to make a charge stick for the texts, given its rule – apparently, bizarrely, unwritten – that communications expressed privately are not subject to its disciplinary jurisdiction. The chairman, Greg Dyke, famously gave that explanation when the FA took no action against the Premier League chief executive, Richard Scudamore, over sexist exchanges in his emails. Given the virulent, blatant racism in the Mackay and Moody exchanges, the FA decided not to surrender, and to stretch its investigation as it indicated, into the culture Mackay, particularly as the manager, ran at Cardiff, to see if it was discriminatory. That investigative activity, rather than inactivity, is what has filled this stretch of time but finally the FA has had to admit, in a statement seething with frustration and grumbling hints, that it was not going to make anything stick.

There is no reason to doubt that the FA did, as it has stated, follow leads, and interview Mackay and Moody at length, as well as 27 potential witnesses in the UK and overseas. That, to be fair, takes time, as does the consideration of the charges and evidence by a QC, necessary because all of these high-stakes football disciplinaries have now become quasi-courtroom affairs with top QCs engaged by both sides to argue over the meanings of every word.

The “serious concerns” the FA expressed about how some evidence came to it, which it said “necessitated significant further inquiries and liaison with external law enforcement agencies,” was unsatisfactorily cryptic but seems designed to show how time-consuming the investigation was, into a fall-out at Cardiff outstanding for its level of bad feeling.

Lord Ouseley, the chairman of Kick It Out, whose views on anti-racism always demand respect, was scathing about the failure to charge but his exasperation seems more aimed at the rule itself, which protects private communications even when they are made public, than its interpretation in this case.

The rule is subject to a review process which does show up the FA’s modern flaws, being over-long, bureaucratic and prey to vested interests. But, surprising as it may seem given the FA’s long-term reputation and poisonous views expressed in these texts, the decision not to charge appears to have come after investigators tried their best.

It's not the club, It's not the fans, it's one man Tan and that's the problem



Everyone on here Supports and Loves Cardiff City, just one man One man Tan Divides us all
, We all have opinions

For someone who professes his love for the Club how come you take every opportunity to slag off the owner who saved us from disaster. Remember HMRC ? Yet you never criticise the owner who took us to the very brink. Remember the fire sale ?

You never cease to amaze me.

It's not the club, It's not the fans, it's one man Tan and that's the problem



Everyone on here Supports and Loves Cardiff City, just one man One man Tan Divides us all
, We all have opinions

For someone who professes his love for the Club how come you take every opportunity to slag off the owner who saved us from disaster. Remember HMRC ? Yet you never criticise the owner who took us to the very brink. Remember the fire sale ?

You never cease to amaze me.

Agree on this Tan does deserve some of the slagging off he gets but on this aspect I think that Tan was totally in the right The FA have been weak ,just because they were private conversations does not stop Malky being a racist . I was a Malky supporter but after what came out I can not be associated with a racist or any one who supports a racist . Listening to a radio phone in last night nobody was supporting Malky and all felt the FA hide behind the private conversation issue . What if he was having private conversation around match fixing would they remain private I think not

f*cking hell why won't Tan and co get over it, move the f**k on

Spot on Jon, then us fans can

They really do wind me up, I can't stand the sight of either of them. I started to like Dalman after his role in changing us back to blue but it proves that he's just Tan's media monkey.

f*cking hell why won't Tan and co get over it, move the f**k on

Spot on Jon, then us fans can

Couldn't agree more!

f*cking hell why won't Tan and co get over it, move the f**k on

Spot on Jon, then us fans can

Couldn't agree more!

nothing to do with tan this anouncement its from FA dont forget its 9mnths ago tan accused him! and they are pathetic using privacy as excuse to condone MM/MOODY.S behaviour !