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Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:52 pm
' DERBY COUNTY SAY, "WE WANT AT LEAST" '
Derby County say they want at least £2.5mill for Johnny Russell and Cardiff are way off.
' UPDATED '
Johnny Russell is now and established member of the Scotland squadJohnny Russell is now and established member of the Scotland squad
Cardiff City will have to pay at least £2.5m to tempt winger Johnny Russell away from Derby County - nearly double the fee they were hoping could land the Scottish international.
Russell opened pre-season for County in sizzling form and scored in their opening fixture against Grimsby Town.
Manager Paul Clement was delighted with Russell’s performance after he went on for the second half at Blundell Park and Derby want to keep him in their squad.
Sources in the midlands suggest County could yet be tempted by the right offer, but Cardiff would have to pay £2.5m or more.
Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:01 pm
Im not surprised.
Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:04 pm
At least he's for sale
Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:05 pm
Annis,are we going to pay that?
Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:07 pm
Blue1989 wrote:Annis,are we going to pay that?
NO, Cameron
Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:19 pm
We can rule Russell out then.
Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:33 pm
Blue1989 wrote:We can rule Russell out then.
Depends on how much we want to pay him. If he thinks we can offer him a contract well in excess of what Derby will pay him, then he will put pressure on Derby to let him go. Its wages, not fees that are important at Championship level, and nearly all the power is with the player.
Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:47 pm
Forever Blue wrote:' DERBY COUNTY SAY, "WE WANT AT LEAST" '
Derby County say they want at least £2.5mill for Johnny Russell and Cardiff are way off.
We were never going to get him for £800',000 maybe £1.5 mill will be enough, but will he want to come here???
Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:55 pm
oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Forever Blue wrote:' DERBY COUNTY SAY, "WE WANT AT LEAST" '
Derby County say they want at least £2.5mill for Johnny Russell and Cardiff are way off.
We were never going to get him for £800',000 maybe £1.5 mill will be enough, but will he want to come here???
If they sign Gray then Russell surely won't be getting games so he may decide at this point he needs to be playing first team football to progress in the Scotland team
Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:57 pm
Weimann. Ince. Bent. Now gray.. That's what you call spending. They will win the league in my opinion.
Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:58 pm
Reza wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Forever Blue wrote:' DERBY COUNTY SAY, "WE WANT AT LEAST" '
Derby County say they want at least £2.5mill for Johnny Russell and Cardiff are way off.
We were never going to get him for £800',000 maybe £1.5 mill will be enough, but will he want to come here???
If they sign Gray then Russell surely won't be getting games so he may decide at this point he needs to be playing first team football to progress in the Scotland team
Hope so I really like this guy
Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:03 pm
Just wait for the headline
Cardiff withdraw interest in Russell.
Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:05 pm
Should offer Noone in a swap deal. Hes highly rated by their fans and values are similar. Fresh start would for them and Noone will come good again. Hes gone stale with us
Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:21 pm
I think I speak for most Derby fans when I say i'd rather have Russell over Noone. Also, anyone got a link to the Gray rumours? I've heard nothing to say we're interested in him, and for the price Birmingham want I hope we aren't!
Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:22 pm
Cardiff City told only £2.5m offer will tempt Derby County to sell Johnny Russell
15:19, 13 JULY 2015
BY TERRY PHILLIPS
Sources in the midlands suggest County could yet be tempted by the right offer, but Cardiff would have to pay £2.5m or more
Johnny Russell is now and established member of the Scotland squadJohnny Russell is now and established member of the Scotland squad
Cardiff City will have to pay at least £2.5m to tempt winger Johnny Russell away from Derby County - nearly double the fee they were hoping could land the Scottish international.
Russell opened pre-season for County in sizzling form and scored in their opening fixture against Grimsby Town.
Manager Paul Clement was delighted with Russell’s performance after he went on for the second half at Blundell Park and Derby want to keep him in their squad.
Sources in the midlands suggest County could yet be tempted by the right offer, but Cardiff would have to pay £2.5m or more.
Russell was Derby’s best player against Grimsby, replacing summer signing Tom Ince after half-time and outshining his rival for the wide berth.
The stance at Derby remains that they will keep Russell, who even after the arrival of Ince is certainly one of their best wide men.
Derby made it clear a few weeks ago that Russell was not for sale, but Cardiff have kept their interest alive.
They have not made a firm offer, but Russell is still highly placed among their list of targets for the summer.
The 25-year-old is a firm favourite among Derby fans, having made the move from Dundee United in a £750,000 transfer two years ago. He has made 87 appearances for County, scoring 17 goals.
Cardiff are unlikely to pay a big fee for Russell because they are well blessed with wingers with after loan signing Sammy Ameobi joined Matty Kennedy, Craig Noone, Anthony Pilkington and Kadeem Harris in the first team squad.
Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:38 pm
It'll be £1.25million with addons that will take it to £1.5 million.
Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:39 pm
If the A list and B list was constructed with players like Murphy and Russell on the A list there's no way that the club could get away in purchasing these players for peanuts. If the 800K bid for Russell is true then it was obvious from the outset that that bid was way below the market value for an international who had a good season last year.
What is the point in the club having an A list when it is unlikely that they will splash the cash to get them. 4m for Murphy was way over the top and I think the club were right in moving on however it will be interesting to see if the club go back in with a 1.75/2m bid for Russell.
This transfer window will show the club's ambition or lack off. An ambitious club who want to get promoted cannot progress if they solely dip into the bargain basement alone. Even though Derby have had a strong squad for a number of seasons they have splashed the cash this summer to strengthen further. It may backfire but I would say that they are in a far better position to get to the promised land than we are. It would be nice to add a few quality players to our current squad.
Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:02 pm
"Johnny Russell is now an established member of the Scotland squad."
Is that a joke, he's made two substitute appearances in two friendlies

In a very average Scotland team

I think people are getting carried away with this guy. He is worth £1.3 million at most. With the midfielders that Derby are signing he will be lucky to get a game, so if he has ambitions on going with the Scotland squad to the European Championships, then he needs regular first team football, that could swing his transfer our way
Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:08 pm
bridgendbluebird30 wrote:If the A list and B list was constructed with players like Murphy and Russell on the A list there's no way that the club could get away in purchasing these players for peanuts. If the 800K bid for Russell is true then it was obvious from the outset that that bid was way below the market value for an international who had a good season last year.
What is the point in the club having an A list when it is unlikely that they will splash the cash to get them. 4m for Murphy was way over the top and I think the club were right in moving on however it will be interesting to see if the club go back in with a 1.75/2m bid for Russell.
This transfer window will show the club's ambition or lack off. An ambitious club who want to get promoted cannot progress if they solely dip into the bargain basement alone. Even though Derby have had a strong squad for a number of seasons they have splashed the cash this summer to strengthen further. It may backfire but I would say that they are in a far better position to get to the promised land than we are. It would be nice to add a few quality players to our current squad.
Agree with this. It all feels very strange.
Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:12 pm
Wayne S wrote:It'll be £1.25million with addons that will take it to £1.5 million.
If its £1.25 m then surely it will get rejected even if it rises to £1.5 m. Derby want £2.5 m so now we will see how ambitious we are about this season.
Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:13 pm
If he's worth 2m offer it! Not a lot money in grand scheme of things!
Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:14 pm
He is a bloody good player he's got everything at this level class act rather we keep him
Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:20 pm
Blue1989 wrote:Wayne S wrote:It'll be £1.25million with addons that will take it to £1.5 million.
If its £1.25 m then surely it will get rejected even if it rises to £1.5 m. Derby want £2.5 m so now we will see how ambitious we are about this season.
You don't do much bartering I assume.

If they are quoting 2.5 they will be settling under 2
Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:15 pm
If we won't pay the £2.5m look elsewhere because we can't waste much time!
Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:38 pm
pembroke allan wrote:If he's worth 2m offer it! Not a lot money in grand scheme of things!

Maybe it's the price we are paying for not selling enough season tickets? Another 5,000 @ £400 = £2m.
Fans can't expect big money signings when many have not shown the commitment the Club would want before spending big.
Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:07 pm
bridgendbluebird30 wrote:If the A list and B list was constructed with players like Murphy and Russell on the A list there's no way that the club could get away in purchasing these players for peanuts. If the 800K bid for Russell is true then it was obvious from the outset that that bid was way below the market value for an international who had a good season last year.
What is the point in the club having an A list when it is unlikely that they will splash the cash to get them. 4m for Murphy was way over the top and I think the club were right in moving on however it will be interesting to see if the club go back in with a 1.75/2m bid for Russell.
This transfer window will show the club's ambition or lack off. An ambitious club who want to get promoted cannot progress if they solely dip into the bargain basement alone. Even though Derby have had a strong squad for a number of seasons they have splashed the cash this summer to strengthen further. It may backfire but I would say that they are in a far better position to get to the promised land than we are. It would be nice to add a few quality players to our current squad.
Lack of ambition/sensible business, depends on the way you look at it. We blew our purse once look where it got us.
Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:39 am
nubbsy wrote:bridgendbluebird30 wrote:If the A list and B list was constructed with players like Murphy and Russell on the A list there's no way that the club could get away in purchasing these players for peanuts. If the 800K bid for Russell is true then it was obvious from the outset that that bid was way below the market value for an international who had a good season last year.
What is the point in the club having an A list when it is unlikely that they will splash the cash to get them. 4m for Murphy was way over the top and I think the club were right in moving on however it will be interesting to see if the club go back in with a 1.75/2m bid for Russell.
This transfer window will show the club's ambition or lack off. An ambitious club who want to get promoted cannot progress if they solely dip into the bargain basement alone. Even though Derby have had a strong squad for a number of seasons they have splashed the cash this summer to strengthen further. It may backfire but I would say that they are in a far better position to get to the promised land than we are. It would be nice to add a few quality players to our current squad.
Lack of ambition/sensible business, depends on the way you look at it. We blew our purse once look where it got us.
But what's 2 mill to Tan?
Another few thousand season tickets purchased before the season starts plus the savings for the 8 or so players allegedly leaving & it's peanuts.
He's saying we're going for promotion so we have to strengthen & bring in better than we have. Every team does it if they have ambition & that's what Tan keeps spouting.
Speculate to accumulate.
Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:55 am
This will determine whether City (or in reality Tan) has any intent on a promotion campaign.
Q. What is the optimum way of recovering his football debt?
A. Plough more money in to a decent squad and get back into the PL, and then the club becomes a marketable asset. A mid table (at best) Championship club is only going to attract punt bids, if at all.
Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:43 am
Danny Says wrote:This will determine whether City (or in reality Tan) has any intent on a promotion campaign.
Q. What is the optimum way of recovering his football debt?
A. Plough more money in to a decent squad and get back into the PL, and then the club becomes a marketable asset. A mid table (at best) Championship club is only going to attract punt bids, if at all.
But we cannot just pump money into the team nowadays. Financial Fair Play stops that.
We stay within budget or the fines are astronomical. Owners cannot just add extra finances unless it is for the development of facilities and the like.
We have 8 players on the books that need to go BEFORE others are brought in. It's no good buying first and then being stuck with the others.
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