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Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:21 pm

I have been thinking about our loan signings over the last few seasons and to be honest whoever is recommending some of these signings needs to be looked at.

Last year our season long loan was Etuhu, I know he was injured for long spells but I think I seen enough to know that his first touch was awful and his second touch was a tackle.

The year before the season long was Eddie, a cult hero for all the wrong reasons, I joined in with the chants and was ecstatic when he finally scored but he was not good enough.

These players were brought in on big money, I know we also had Routledge and Chopra on loan the season before last but we didn't need a scout to tell us how good any of those were, the same could be said of Quincy too, my question is about the unknown loan players we are bringing in and on good money.

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:27 pm

I personally think the loan system should be scrapped apart from short term emergency loans for injury cover. The game should be about the best squad doing well rather than which manager has the best contacts.

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:56 pm

We really need to sort out our loan system. Blackpool and Forest relied on the loan system whilst Leicester and WBA also had 1 or 2 good loanees.

I think us and Swansea missed a trick last season with regards to loans.

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:09 pm

I think what carl is actually saying is Our Senior Scouting Good Enough. I think this should actually be a new thread. My answer would be a def No

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:16 pm

carlccfc wrote:I have been thinking about our loan signings over the last few seasons and to be honest whoever is recommending some of these signings needs to be looked at.

Last year our season long loan was Etuhu, I know he was injured for long spells but I think I seen enough to know that his first touch was awful and his second touch was a tackle.

The year before the season long was Eddie, a cult hero for all the wrong reasons, I joined in with the chants and was ecstatic when he finally scored but he was not good enough.

These players were brought in on big money, I know we also had Routledge and Chopra on loan the season before last but we didn't need a scout to tell us how good any of those were, the same could be said of Quincy too, my question is about the unknown loan players we are bringing in and on good money.



carl

there is an amazing story regarding us signing eddie it was a deal done by our ex chairman and an agent without spoiling steve's book suffice to say it was a suprise when eddie turned up at the club and not another american international striker.

with regards to other shit loan signings you have to distinguish between what was the best deal for the club or the best deal for a certain persons back pocket

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:19 pm

i agree, ethuh, was pure shit, eddy was a circus act :roll:

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:30 pm

steve davies wrote:
carlccfc wrote:I have been thinking about our loan signings over the last few seasons and to be honest whoever is recommending some of these signings needs to be looked at.

Last year our season long loan was Etuhu, I know he was injured for long spells but I think I seen enough to know that his first touch was awful and his second touch was a tackle.

The year before the season long was Eddie, a cult hero for all the wrong reasons, I joined in with the chants and was ecstatic when he finally scored but he was not good enough.

These players were brought in on big money, I know we also had Routledge and Chopra on loan the season before last but we didn't need a scout to tell us how good any of those were, the same could be said of Quincy too, my question is about the unknown loan players we are bringing in and on good money.



carl

there is an amazing story regarding us signing eddie it was a deal done by our ex chairman and an agent without spoiling steve's book suffice to say it was a suprise when eddie turned up at the club and not another american international striker.

with regards to other shit loan signings you have to distinguish between what was the best deal for the club or the best deal for a certain persons back pocket



Shit, you mean we could have had Clint Dempsey ??

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:40 pm

yeah, dempsey .the one who scored a 20yarder against ingerland :ayatollah:

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:52 pm

steve davies wrote:
carlccfc wrote:I have been thinking about our loan signings over the last few seasons and to be honest whoever is recommending some of these signings needs to be looked at.

Last year our season long loan was Etuhu, I know he was injured for long spells but I think I seen enough to know that his first touch was awful and his second touch was a tackle.

The year before the season long was Eddie, a cult hero for all the wrong reasons, I joined in with the chants and was ecstatic when he finally scored but he was not good enough.

These players were brought in on big money, I know we also had Routledge and Chopra on loan the season before last but we didn't need a scout to tell us how good any of those were, the same could be said of Quincy too, my question is about the unknown loan players we are bringing in and on good money.



carl

there is an amazing story regarding us signing eddie it was a deal done by our ex chairman and an agent without spoiling steve's book suffice to say it was a suprise when eddie turned up at the club and not another american international striker.

with regards to other shit loan signings you have to distinguish between what was the best deal for the club or the best deal for a certain persons back pocket


Look forward to reading it Steve :ayatollah:

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:05 pm

an amazing story,,,,,, yeah no other fucker wanted him and he came to us, yeah f*cking amazing, he was shit, :roll:

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:21 pm

ninianblue wrote:an amazing story,,,,,, yeah no other fucker wanted him and he came to us, yeah f*cking amazing, he was shit, :roll:

no ninian dj was not expecting eddie at all but a different american international striker who has played on loan in the premier league

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:23 pm

steve davies wrote:
carlccfc wrote:I have been thinking about our loan signings over the last few seasons and to be honest whoever is recommending some of these signings needs to be looked at.

Last year our season long loan was Etuhu, I know he was injured for long spells but I think I seen enough to know that his first touch was awful and his second touch was a tackle.

The year before the season long was Eddie, a cult hero for all the wrong reasons, I joined in with the chants and was ecstatic when he finally scored but he was not good enough.

These players were brought in on big money, I know we also had Routledge and Chopra on loan the season before last but we didn't need a scout to tell us how good any of those were, the same could be said of Quincy too, my question is about the unknown loan players we are bringing in and on good money.



carl

there is an amazing story regarding us signing eddie it was a deal done by our ex chairman and an agent without spoiling steve's book suffice to say it was a suprise when eddie turned up at the club and not another american international striker.

with regards to other shit loan signings you have to distinguish between what was the best deal for the club or the best deal for a certain persons back pocket


was the supposed striker brian mcbride?

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:41 pm

["cwmbranbluebird"][steve davies"]["carlccfc"]I have been thinking about our loan signings over the last few seasons and to be honest whoever is recommending some of these signings needs to be looked at.

Last year our season long loan was Etuhu, I know he was injured for long spells but I think I seen enough to know that his first touch was awful and his second touch was a tackle.

The year before the season long was Eddie, a cult hero for all the wrong reasons, I joined in with the chants and was ecstatic when he finally scored but he was not good enough.

These players were brought in on big money, I know we also had Routledge and Chopra on loan the season before last but we didn't need a scout to tell us how good any of those were, the same could be said of Quincy too, my question is about the unknown loan players we are bringing in and on good money


carl

there is an amazing story regarding us signing eddie it was a deal done by our ex chairman and an agent without spoiling steve's book suffice to say it was a suprise when eddie turned up at the club and not another american international striker.

with regards to other shit loan signings you have to distinguish between what was the best deal for the club or the best deal for a certain persons back pocket

was the supposed striker brian mcbride?[/quote]


yes fulham conned them a treat

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:56 pm

steve davies wrote:
ninianblue wrote:an amazing story,,,,,, yeah no other fucker wanted him and he came to us, yeah f*cking amazing, he was shit, :roll:

no ninian dj was not expecting eddie at all but a different american international striker who has played on loan in the premier league


Landon Donovan?

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:08 pm

Danson Furnace wrote:
steve davies wrote:
ninianblue wrote:an amazing story,,,,,, yeah no other fucker wanted him and he came to us, yeah f*cking amazing, he was shit, :roll:

no ninian dj was not expecting eddie at all but a different american international striker who has played on loan in the premier league


Landon Donovan?


Brian McBride :D

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:11 pm

He was expecting Andy Johnson :lol:

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:13 pm

i can imagine DJ sending riddler to the cottage for mcbride (proven prem player) and the yorkshire big nose wanker coming back with eddie and a new audi. :twisted:

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:34 pm

Carl, if what's said about the loan players above is true then can you really put that down to scouting?

I'd presume that the majority of our scouting that takes place comes from Scotland. In that case I'd say our scouting network is very good. Also, most of our England based signings have either been through old connections through DJ and Ridsdale. The only England based player I'd think we signed through our scouting network would be Roger Johnson and (nearly) Ashley Williams.

I go agree though that our loan signings have been absolutely shocking under Ridsdale and DJ. Konstantinopolous, Heaton, Turnbull, Etuhu, Quincy, Eddie.

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:01 pm

I spoke to Man Citys academy manager last season who was down to watch Kelvin. He openly admitted Kelvin is shite in the air but great in his natural position as a wide sided midfielder. He could not understand why DJ was insting on playing him up front.

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:14 pm

RobbieS wrote:I spoke to Man Citys academy manager last season who was down to watch Kelvin. He openly admitted Kelvin is shite in the air but great in his natural position as a wide sided midfielder. He could not understand why DJ was insting on playing him up front.


i have always thought that, looked good when he came on against crystal palace. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:31 pm

how about danny shittu out of favour at bolton, playing in the world cup
good replacement for gypes
been reported hes been offered a million pound contract to play for Kayserispor of the Turkish league, that just over 19k per week
could get im on loan or on a cheap if he wants to play in the uk leagues

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:37 pm

shittu is definitely solid. would love to have him in the team instead of hudson :D

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:18 pm

Eddy was shite for the first half of the season and I'm not alone in thinking that I thought he looked good after he got used to playing in our league. Second half of his season with us, I thought he looked good and I bet he would have played better than Jay when we fooked up in the last four games of 2008/9.

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:28 am

carlccfc wrote:I have been thinking about our loan signings over the last few seasons and to be honest whoever is recommending some of these signings needs to be looked at.

Last year our season long loan was Etuhu, I know he was injured for long spells but I think I seen enough to know that his first touch was awful and his second touch was a tackle.

The year before the season long was Eddie, a cult hero for all the wrong reasons, I joined in with the chants and was ecstatic when he finally scored but he was not good enough.

These players were brought in on big money, I know we also had Routledge and Chopra on loan the season before last but we didn't need a scout to tell us how good any of those were, the same could be said of Quincy too, my question is about the unknown loan players we are bringing in and on good money.


Carl

I think it is right to say that the only scout the club employs is a Scottish based one.

Also that Eddie Johnson was signed , and the club committed to paying £1m of wages over a season , without anyone at the club having seen him play live.

Keith

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:47 pm

since62 wrote:
carlccfc wrote:I have been thinking about our loan signings over the last few seasons and to be honest whoever is recommending some of these signings needs to be looked at.

Last year our season long loan was Etuhu, I know he was injured for long spells but I think I seen enough to know that his first touch was awful and his second touch was a tackle.

The year before the season long was Eddie, a cult hero for all the wrong reasons, I joined in with the chants and was ecstatic when he finally scored but he was not good enough.

These players were brought in on big money, I know we also had Routledge and Chopra on loan the season before last but we didn't need a scout to tell us how good any of those were, the same could be said of Quincy too, my question is about the unknown loan players we are bringing in and on good money.


Carl

I think it is right to say that the only scout the club employs is a Scottish based one.

Also that Eddie Johnson was signed , and the club committed to paying £1m of wages over a season , without anyone at the club having seen him play live.

Keith


Shocking really Keith

Re: Loan Signings and our scouts

Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:53 pm

carlccfc wrote:I have been thinking about our loan signings over the last few seasons and to be honest whoever is recommending some of these signings needs to be looked at.

Last year our season long loan was Etuhu, I know he was injured for long spells but I think I seen enough to know that his first touch was awful and his second touch was a tackle.

The year before the season long was Eddie, a cult hero for all the wrong reasons, I joined in with the chants and was ecstatic when he finally scored but he was not good enough.

These players were brought in on big money, I know we also had Routledge and Chopra on loan the season before last but we didn't need a scout to tell us how good any of those were, the same could be said of Quincy too, my question is about the unknown loan players we are bringing in and on good money.



The prob is Carl, As I was telling you on the phone, The Riddler had cut back on the scouting by 70% and those that are left are on peanuts. Also the accademy has been Run right down in the last 3 years.
I dont know who recommended these players but DJ and The Riddler are in my opinion to blame.