Do we need to send ground forces after ISIS?

What are people's thoughts on this?

I bet we know who their leaders are and where they are? So why not just take the bstards out ? Should done it to Saddam would have prevented thousands of deaths!

f*cking nuke the Isis held areas. f**k it if it means other casualties too then so be it they should have fought them off instead of allowing them to take over their land

I bet we know who their leaders are and where they are? So why not just take the bstards out ? Should done it to Saddam would have prevented thousands of deaths!

These fuckers wouldn't have been around had we not got rid of Saddham.

I think it's too late for that. Should have done it a long time ago.

Only way now would be to bomb the shit out of a specific area then send in troops to finish them off. They also need to target the leaders and cut off their communication even if that means taking down the internet and all mobile phone towers.

We got more of a case to send troops in against isis vthan any other war recently

Who is "we"? The UK? I'd like to see a world effort - USA, Russia, China, a European force plus a significant force from the Middle East. A huge military effort that would smash them.

Won't happen though.

f*cking nuke the Isis held areas. f**k it if it means other casualties too then so be it they should have fought them off instead of allowing them to take over their land

That would mean nuking ourselves,Some parts of Britain are gone.

f*cking nuke the Isis held areas. f**k it if it means other casualties too then so be it they should have fought them off instead of allowing them to take over their land

That would mean nuking ourselves,Some parts of Britain are gone.

So where in Britian do Isis control then ?

f*cking nuke the Isis held areas. f**k it if it means other casualties too then so be it they should have fought them off instead of allowing them to take over their land

That would mean nuking ourselves,Some parts of Britain are gone.

So where in Britian do Isis control then ?

Not control but have very deep routes in Cardiff for a start. 5 cardiff lads went out this week to fight for isis.

f*cking nuke the Isis held areas. f**k it if it means other casualties too then so be it they should have fought them off instead of allowing them to take over their land

You should be some sort of political leader. Nuke them and kill thousands of innocents, and who are the bad guys then? Tit

f*cking nuke the Isis held areas. f**k it if it means other casualties too then so be it they should have fought them off instead of allowing them to take over their land

You should be some sort of political leader. Nuke them and kill thousands of innocents, and who are the bad guys then? Tit

Stopped WW2 very quickly

f*cking nuke the Isis held areas. f**k it if it means other casualties too then so be it they should have fought them off instead of allowing them to take over their land

That would mean nuking ourselves,Some parts of Britain are gone.

So where in Britian do Isis control then ?

Not control but have very deep routes in Cardiff for a start. 5 cardiff lads went out this week to fight for isis.

But I said 'Isis held areas'

f*cking nuke the Isis held areas. f**k it if it means other casualties too then so be it they should have fought them off instead of allowing them to take over their land

You should be some sort of political leader. Nuke them and kill thousands of innocents, and who are the bad guys then? Tit

Stopped WW2 very quickly

This isn't world war 2 and it's not 1944. And where do you propose we nuke since they are world wide?

To be fair mate you post alot of political views and you seen well versed on a few subjects but when you say something like this it's hard to take you seriously, you sound like alot of people I work with in fact.

Isis is a mere creation of the us administration which was used as a tool to dislodge Assad. However it's back fired. If America and Britain didn't f**k with the Middle East there wouldn't be a problem..

So because of the mess Blair and Bush have made, I think we should go in Iraq AND syria to finish it once and for all and leave iran alone.

Even though I don't want to see British servicemen and women killed but I can't help feel sorry for the innocents in that region who are getting slaughtered through the negligence of previous American and British governments.

However if we were to go back in we wouldn't send a large amount of troops I don't think. This government has already fucked our armed forces and are tight as f**k with the budget. Was actually surprised they announced they're spending an extra £280mil a year on the falklands defences.

They want to round up all the suspected scum like Choudrey in this country and close all these Islamic colleges. Stop pussyfooting around. The boundaries have changed. also any illegals booted straight out.

They want to round up all the suspected scum like Choudrey in this country and close all these Islamic colleges. Stop pussyfooting around. The boundaries have changed. also any illegals booted straight out.

Correct
The War is here for us.

We can't stop people travelling, giving aid, holidaying; in a war zone.

They are hell bent on converting or killing. The country is getting radicalised right before our eyes.
Has been for many years with the shield of the race card behind them.

Even Cameron himself admits that the whole religion is sympathetic to IS and the rest. (remember the 9/11 whoops of delight by workers in Panasonic factory Cardiff??)

White people being stopped going in to areas of Bradford and Luton by people telling them that that area is now 'under sharia law'
Grange town Cardiff is another hot spot.

If people think this will go away without a fight, they are seriously deluded.

Clamp down, deport, no more schools and mosques.
we know our governments have played a part in this in the past, but not our people.
It's time for our government to look after us for a change and give us our freedom and democracy back.

Should have sent troops a long time ago

Seems to me that we "SLEEPWALKING" into a massive world crisis.

It's here already and I do not understand why "the west" seems to be justifying standing back and hoping it will all sort itself out in the middle east ? clearly it will come / has come to our shores and will continue to do so.

What is the sensible and effective answer?

Years of loony left and lovey liberal policies is to blame here in GB.

Bloooobirds Forever !!!

We were a vote away from bombing Syria forces who were the enemy of ISIS. Think about that for a second. In Libya we provided close air support for Al Qaeda and almost did the same thing for ISIS in Syria.

No.

We missed the chance with Syria.

Now hundreds of thousands are dead in the space of 4 years.

Muslims have every right to aggreived for what has happened. The west allowed assad to drop barrel bombs in civilian areas without thought. Assad is the modern Hitler and we have allowed him to prosper.

In the grand scheme of things, these attacks are f**k all.

Some have got radical idea like nuke them, some not so much radical like close the islamic colleges down. The answer usually lies in dealing with the root of the problem. You can pick off the leaves of a stingy nettle but unless you kill its root the leaf will grow back.

To me the problem lies in the teaching of Islam.

We were a vote away from bombing Syria forces who were the enemy of ISIS. Think about that for a second. In Libya we provided close air support for Al Qaeda and almost did the same thing for ISIS in Syria.

Correct

Seems to me that we "SLEEPWALKING" into a massive world crisis.

It's here already and I do not understand why "the west" seems to be justifying standing back and hoping it will all sort itself out in the middle east ? clearly it will come / has come to our shores and will continue to do so.

What is the sensible and effective answer?

Years of loony left and lovey liberal policies is to blame here in GB.

Bloooobirds Forever !!!

It's not just lefty liberal, it's also right capital and globalisation too. Selling arms/foreign politics/ oils etc

Some have got radical idea like nuke them, some not so much radical like close the islamic colleges down. The answer usually lies in dealing with the root of the problem. You can pick off the leaves of a stingy nettle but unless you kill its root the leaf will grow back.

To me the problem lies in the teaching of Islam.

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Agreed - sort the root out

They are nutty knotweeds

They use Islam to galvanise support. The religious leader of ISIS is just a front.

The crux of the matter is that they have seen their homes and familiea killed at a constant rate for years. This is about revenge. Religion divides and that is what they want.

The disregard for innocent human life in this thread is staggering, who's side are you actually on?

No.

We missed the chance with Syria.

Now hundreds of thousands are dead in the space of 4 years.

Muslims have every right to aggreived for what has happened. The west allowed assad to drop barrel bombs in civilian areas without thought. Assad is the modern Hitler and we have allowed him to prosper.

In the grand scheme of things, these attacks are f**k all.

Assad is preferable to ISIS. He was fighting them. I would be tempted to use any weapons at my disposal against them.

Sadly, it's too late for a lot of countries. The UK, France and Turkey have already been infiltrated and the problems will only continue to spread. Many of these Muslims have become 'sleepers' in Europe like that man in France and then will attack when they feel it is right to do so. If it wasn't for the security forces, the UK and France would be home to many more attacks because the problem lies within and is an ideological virus.

The West took too long to take action and should have hit instantly when IS assumed control of Raqqa by carpet bombing the place. Instead, they've let the virus spread and manifest and now its dispersed even more than they could have imagined and more violently than they could have imagined.

Furthermore, Erdogan is pro Islam and Turkey is essentially a backdoor into Europe for Islamic extremism. Also, people must look at how Islam came to be in Turkey in the first place. This country was once predominantly Christian and is now around 98% Muslim. A lot of this was achieved through genocide. Mention Armenia in Turkey and all hell will break loose. Turkey have the military capability to wipe a lot of them out and push them quite far back. This alone tells you where the governments priorities lay. People also seem to forget the invasion of Spain and why IS now want to take back 'Andalusia'.

The biggest threat though is this attitude of nonchalance from those in power in the west. There is no true leader ready to take the action required. This virus will continue to spread until its completely wiped out and the longer people remain indifferent or try to brush it off as a minimal issue, the further it spreads. This attitude of the west combined with the self determination and lack of respect for human life of Islamic State, will see many more lives lost and more countries taken.

Islamic State knows Tunisia is fairly liberal and a highly respected tourist destination favoured by Westerners. It attacks it for that very reason to bring down the tourism industry, destabilise the economy and then take advantage of people going through tough social issues. It is harder to convince someone who is struggling to come join your cause than it is to convince someone working and doing fairly okay. Tunisian GDP will crumble now due to these events, thousands of jobs will be lost and Islamic State will try to take advantage of those desperate and vulnerable people.

No.

We missed the chance with Syria.

Now hundreds of thousands are dead in the space of 4 years.

Muslims have every right to aggreived for what has happened. The west allowed assad to drop barrel bombs in civilian areas without thought. Assad is the modern Hitler and we have allowed him to prosper.

In the grand scheme of things, these attacks are f**k all.

Assad is preferable to ISIS. He was fighting them. I would be tempted to use any weapons at my disposal against them.

Depressed.

Muslims are killing each other, bombing mosques. Racist attacks in uk -62% of victims are white.

Majority of all Muslim countries are dictatorships.
You can't force democracy on countries who are culturally and religiously not in line with its values.
That's where we went wrong

How can the west be held responsible for Assad?
He is supported by Russia
Plus, Saudi, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar and Pakistan all have troops, arms and technology to sort stuff out in their back yard.

The arab spring has been a poison chalice and allowed terror racist groups to be galvanised.

This is ethnic cleansing, a war like nazis against the Jews. Call it revenge but many of these murderers were born in western countries, free to practice their religion, live and prosper. (ironically after their parents and grandparents lift their countries for better lives)
What revenge do they want?

Why is it that millions flee these countries and try to go to west? The Muslim world is full oil, products and heroin and is rich rich enough to get people out of poverty.

Trouble is its a car crash of dictators and bigoted strands of religion.

They whip up the sheep into believing that we are all evil and must be destroyed

No.

We missed the chance with Syria.

Now hundreds of thousands are dead in the space of 4 years.

Muslims have every right to aggreived for what has happened. The west allowed assad to drop barrel bombs in civilian areas without thought. Assad is the modern Hitler and we have allowed him to prosper.

In the grand scheme of things, these attacks are f**k all.

Assad is preferable to ISIS. He was fighting them. I would be tempted to use any weapons at my disposal against them.

Preferable for you. In case ISIS turn up on your doorstep, which isn't going to happen as we've had 3 major terrorist incidents on these isles in over a decade.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-wo ... ps-3048719

The threat is frankly non existent. Hysteria created by western media that doesn't even begin to show the heartache that is occurring in the middle east.

It is all about protecting your own interests. And the western media and people turn a blind eye to Assad as he killing other Muslims. A muslim killing a muslim is a non story in our world.

I've put this on here so many times now but:

AMMAN The death toll after nearly four years of civil war in Syria has risen to 210,060, nearly half of them civilians, but the real figure is probably much higher, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said on Saturday.7 Feb 2015

We should have executed Assad. We didn't. It could have destroyed the influence of the country that wishes to harm us most, Iran.

Sadly, it's too late for a lot of countries. The UK, France and Turkey have already been infiltrated and the problems will only continue to spread. Many of these Muslims have become 'sleepers' in Europe like that man in France and then will attack when they feel it is right to do so. If it wasn't for the security forces, the UK and France would be home to many more attacks because the problem lies within and is an ideological virus.

The West took too long to take action and should have hit instantly when IS assumed control of Raqqa by carpet bombing the place. Instead, they've let the virus spread and manifest and now its dispersed even more than they could have imagined and more violently than they could have imagined.

Furthermore, Erdogan is pro Islam and Turkey is essentially a backdoor into Europe for Islamic extremism. Also, people must look at how Islam came to be in Turkey in the first place. This country was once predominantly Christian and is now around 98% Muslim. A lot of this was achieved through genocide. Mention Armenia in Turkey and all hell will break loose. Turkey have the military capability to wipe a lot of them out and push them quite far back. This alone tells you where the governments priorities lay. People also seem to forget the invasion of Spain and why IS now want to take back 'Andalusia'.

The biggest threat though is this attitude of nonchalance from those in power in the west. There is no true leader ready to take the action required. This virus will continue to spread until its completely wiped out and the longer people remain indifferent or try to brush it off as a minimal issue, the further it spreads. This attitude of the west combined with the self determination and lack of respect for human life of Islamic State, will see many more lives lost and more countries taken.

Islamic State knows Tunisia is fairly liberal and a highly respected tourist destination favoured by Westerners. It attacks it for that very reason to bring down the tourism industry, destabilise the economy and then take advantage of people going through tough social issues. It is harder to convince someone who is struggling to come join your cause than it is to convince someone working and doing fairly okay. Tunisian GDP will crumble now due to these events, thousands of jobs will be lost and Islamic State will try to take advantage of those desperate and vulnerable people.

It's a massive shame what's happening in Turkey. I visited there in 2009 as part of a military staff ride and our guide told us in great detail the Liberal version of Islam they held dear as Ataturk (God like status in Turkey) espoused this and the people followed Ataturk above all else. He also said that Saudi Arabia were attempting to infiltrate with Imams spreading 'their' version of Islam. The more I hear from Turkey the sadder I become.