Where would we be now had Tan not invested?

This certainly isn't saying it was red or dead. It's a genuine question as to where people think we would be now had TG not persuaded Tan to invest the millions required to pay off HMRC.

What would have happened in the immediate future?

Where would we be now?

Educated debate with scenarios would be gladly received. I'm curious what everyone thinks.

League two best. I think we would have sank and sank. But thats my opinion. All ifs and buts.

Down with Portsmouth- at best

Down with Portsmouth- at best

This.

Down with Portsmouth- at best

Yes we would of been a couple of years ago, but no one can say where we would of been after that?

I would have still have a big passion for CCFC because we wouldn't have had an unrecognisable rebrand for 2 and a half years, whatever league we would be in.

I would have still have a big passion for CCFC because we wouldn't have had an unrecognisable rebrand for 2 and a half years, whatever league we would be in.

Exactly how I would of felt

As far as I'm concerned our club basically died for 3 years anyway, so a relegation would have been easier to stomach for sure.

La Liga.

I am probably in the minority here but I think Ridsdale would have continued to do what he was doing prior to Tan coming in and that is wheeling and dealing, selling players, etc.

And despite the financial noose around our neck at that time we were always competitive on the pitch.

I don't think it would have been as bad as some people believe.

I am probably in the minority here but I think Ridsdale would have continued to do what he was doing prior to Tan coming in and that is wheeling and dealing, selling players, etc.

And despite the financial noose around our neck at that time we were always competitive on the pitch.

I don't think it would have been as bad as some people believe.

Ridsdale was completely out of options.

He had wriggled and squirmed, begged and borrowed, sold almost everything that wasn't nailed down, taken season ticket money early on, at the very least, questionable pretences (money was to be used to strengthen the squad - was used to pay HMRC).

The club had been living from hand to mouth for months. Local businesses were owed millions of pounds and Sam, I mean Langston, were straining at the leash.

I think that we may actually have been worse off than Portsmouth - it was not just administration that was a possibility, total liquidation may have been a worst case scenario.

Ridsdale had no cards left to play.

I am probably in the minority here but I think Ridsdale would have continued to do what he was doing prior to Tan coming in and that is wheeling and dealing, selling players, etc.

And despite the financial noose around our neck at that time we were always competitive on the pitch.

I don't think it would have been as bad as some people believe.

No one to sell Carl. Matthews was the last asset and that fell through.

I'm convinced that so one else would have come in especially after the Wembley finals

We would have dropped like a stone for sure as there was no other options available. I knew coaches just prior who didn't know if they were going to get paid from one week to the next. That said, I think we would have somehow eventually come back to the league position where we are now, with identity preserved and unsaddled of significant debt. I'm hoping that VT has learned his football lesson well and will push us on to where we should have been when he originally 'invested'.

We would have dropped like a stone for sure as there was no other options available. I knew coaches just prior who didn't know if they were going to get paid from one week to the next. That said, I think we would have somehow eventually come back to the league position where we are now, with identity preserved and unsaddled of significant debt. I'm hoping that VT has learned his football lesson well and will push us on to where we should have been when he originally 'invested'.

Certainly don't have issues paying staff anymore.

I wonder if Tan regrets investing? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.

We would have dropped like a stone for sure as there was no other options available. I knew coaches just prior who didn't know if they were going to get paid from one week to the next. That said, I think we would have somehow eventually come back to the league position where we are now, with identity preserved and unsaddled of significant debt. I'm hoping that VT has learned his football lesson well and will push us on to where we should have been when he originally 'invested'.

Certainly don't have issues paying staff anymore.

I wonder if Tan regrets investing? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.

If I were Tan, I would regret having invested and I am certain that he does. As for us, I very much doubt that we would still be in the Football League. Unlike Annis & co I, for one, do not believe in fairies or more to the point fairy godmothers/godfathers.

We would have dropped like a stone for sure as there was no other options available. I knew coaches just prior who didn't know if they were going to get paid from one week to the next. That said, I think we would have somehow eventually come back to the league position where we are now, with identity preserved and unsaddled of significant debt. I'm hoping that VT has learned his football lesson well and will push us on to where we should have been when he originally 'invested'.

Yeh, and we would then somehow move on to win the Premiership, Champions' League and dominate world football - just like Portsmouth have. Dream on. We would have been in deep s..t.

We would have dropped like a stone for sure as there was no other options available. I knew coaches just prior who didn't know if they were going to get paid from one week to the next. That said, I think we would have somehow eventually come back to the league position where we are now, with identity preserved and unsaddled of significant debt. I'm hoping that VT has learned his football lesson well and will push us on to where we should have been when he originally 'invested'.

Yeh, and we would then somehow move on to win the Premiership, Champions' League and dominate world football - just like Portsmouth have. Dream on. We would have been in deep s..t.

Ridiculous comment - where did I ever mention promotion back to PL and beyond? We are an long established Championship side and its my opinion that we would have dropped down and then eventually moved back up to a position similar to where we have been for many years. Our established profile prior to VT was a side that would be challenging for a Championship play-off place, even without significant investment and that's precisely where we should be now, even with Slade at the helm.

We would have dropped like a stone for sure as there was no other options available. I knew coaches just prior who didn't know if they were going to get paid from one week to the next. That said, I think we would have somehow eventually come back to the league position where we are now, with identity preserved and unsaddled of significant debt. I'm hoping that VT has learned his football lesson well and will push us on to where we should have been when he originally 'invested'.

Yeh, and we would then somehow move on to win the Premiership, Champions' League and dominate world football - just like Portsmouth have. Dream on. We would have been in deep s..t.

Ridiculous comment - where did I ever mention promotion back to PL and beyond? We are an long established Championship side and its my opinion that we would have dropped down and then eventually moved back up to a position similar to where we have been for many years. Our established profile prior to VT was a side that would be challenging for a Championship play-off place, even without significant investment and that's precisely where we should be now, even with Slade at the helm.

If as you say, we would have "dropped down". how far exactly ? One Division or two ? And that's assuming that HMRC didn't finish us off completely. As for eventually coming back up, who do you reckon who have financed this. Certainly no Welsh businessman. And where do the fans feature in all this who would have deserted in droves during the drop down the Divisions ?

We would have dropped like a stone for sure as there was no other options available. I knew coaches just prior who didn't know if they were going to get paid from one week to the next. That said, I think we would have somehow eventually come back to the league position where we are now, with identity preserved and unsaddled of significant debt. I'm hoping that VT has learned his football lesson well and will push us on to where we should have been when he originally 'invested'.

Certainly don't have issues paying staff anymore.

I wonder if Tan regrets investing? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.

If I were Tan, I would regret having invested and I am certain that he does. As for us, I very much doubt that we would still be in the Football League. Unlike Annis & co I, for one, do not believe in fairies or more to the point fairy godmothers/godfathers.

Tan virtually destroyed our club any way and broke many fans hearts, the last 3 years for me have been the worst in my 43 years of supporting City,as our pride was taken from us and the soul of the club. Thats my honest feelings regarding Tan owning our club.

What might have been is irrelevant now, we are where we are, we are going to have to back Russell Slade and the team,whatever the situation is because that is what true fans do.
I really hope that when we kick off against Fulham on 8th August we have a decent crowd who really get behind the team and give them a boost as it is pointless slagging them off as it will not help them at all.
The new kit is great, the branding of the front off the stadium is fantastic so there is no excuse not to look forward to the new season with excitement.
With regard to the players, I think that if we cannot sell or loan out Kenwynne Le Fondre and Guerra then Slade should do his best to integrate them into the squad as they are quality players for the Championship

I respect your opinion. although I do not share it. And I have supported the Club for 53 years. So there.

We would have dropped like a stone for sure as there was no other options available. I knew coaches just prior who didn't know if they were going to get paid from one week to the next. That said, I think we would have somehow eventually come back to the league position where we are now, with identity preserved and unsaddled of significant debt. I'm hoping that VT has learned his football lesson well and will push us on to where we should have been when he originally 'invested'.

Yeh, and we would then somehow move on to win the Premiership, Champions' League and dominate world football - just like Portsmouth have. Dream on. We would have been in deep s..t.

Ridiculous comment - where did I ever mention promotion back to PL and beyond? We are an long established Championship side and its my opinion that we would have dropped down and then eventually moved back up to a position similar to where we have been for many years. Our established profile prior to VT was a side that would be challenging for a Championship play-off place, even without significant investment and that's precisely where we should be now, even with Slade at the helm.

If as you say, we would have "dropped down". how far exactly ? One Division or two ? And that's assuming that HMRC didn't finish us off completely. As for eventually coming back up, who do you reckon who have financed this. Certainly no Welsh businessman. And where do the fans feature in all this who would have deserted in droves during the drop down the Divisions ?

Fans have deserted in droves with us still in the championship so would have definitely happened had we dropped divisions.

Atmosphere probably would have been better though.

We would have dropped like a stone for sure as there was no other options available. I knew coaches just prior who didn't know if they were going to get paid from one week to the next. That said, I think we would have somehow eventually come back to the league position where we are now, with identity preserved and unsaddled of significant debt. I'm hoping that VT has learned his football lesson well and will push us on to where we should have been when he originally 'invested'.

Yeh, and we would then somehow move on to win the Premiership, Champions' League and dominate world football - just like Portsmouth have. Dream on. We would have been in deep s..t.

Ridiculous comment - where did I ever mention promotion back to PL and beyond? We are an long established Championship side and its my opinion that we would have dropped down and then eventually moved back up to a position similar to where we have been for many years. Our established profile prior to VT was a side that would be challenging for a Championship play-off place, even without significant investment and that's precisely where we should be now, even with Slade at the helm.

If as you say, we would have "dropped down". how far exactly ? One Division or two ? And that's assuming that HMRC didn't finish us off completely. As for eventually coming back up, who do you reckon who have financed this. Certainly no Welsh businessman. And where do the fans feature in all this who would have deserted in droves during the drop down the Divisions ?

Malky and Allan Whitley said to my face both on different occasions, we would o deff dropped down one division and at worst 2 divisions.

We would have dropped like a stone for sure as there was no other options available. I knew coaches just prior who didn't know if they were going to get paid from one week to the next. That said, I think we would have somehow eventually come back to the league position where we are now, with identity preserved and unsaddled of significant debt. I'm hoping that VT has learned his football lesson well and will push us on to where we should have been when he originally 'invested'.

Yeh, and we would then somehow move on to win the Premiership, Champions' League and dominate world football - just like Portsmouth have. Dream on. We would have been in deep s..t.

Ridiculous comment - where did I ever mention promotion back to PL and beyond? We are an long established Championship side and its my opinion that we would have dropped down and then eventually moved back up to a position similar to where we have been for many years. Our established profile prior to VT was a side that would be challenging for a Championship play-off place, even without significant investment and that's precisely where we should be now, even with Slade at the helm.

If as you say, we would have "dropped down". how far exactly ? One Division or two ? And that's assuming that HMRC didn't finish us off completely. As for eventually coming back up, who do you reckon who have financed this. Certainly no Welsh businessman. And where do the fans feature in all this who would have deserted in droves during the drop down the Divisions ?

You'll have to forgive me as my crystal ball is currently being serviced at Olivanders along with my magic financial wand. But to answer your question then I think we would have dropped one or even two divisions. In regards to financial backers, well, there was no-one else at the time & still no-one else but I'm sure something would have been tabled in the lower leagues at some point, although it may have been a messy consortium and you don't want to go there. In regards to fans, its guaranteed that more fairweathers would have walked leaving the hardcore. So unfortunately, no-one has the detailed answers, even with a fully functioning crystal ball but my view of an eventual climb back to the Championship still remains the same.

We would have dropped like a stone for sure as there was no other options available. I knew coaches just prior who didn't know if they were going to get paid from one week to the next. That said, I think we would have somehow eventually come back to the league position where we are now, with identity preserved and unsaddled of significant debt. I'm hoping that VT has learned his football lesson well and will push us on to where we should have been when he originally 'invested'.

Yeh, and we would then somehow move on to win the Premiership, Champions' League and dominate world football - just like Portsmouth have. Dream on. We would have been in deep s..t.

Ridiculous comment - where did I ever mention promotion back to PL and beyond? We are an long established Championship side and its my opinion that we would have dropped down and then eventually moved back up to a position similar to where we have been for many years. Our established profile prior to VT was a side that would be challenging for a Championship play-off place, even without significant investment and that's precisely where we should be now, even with Slade at the helm.

If as you say, we would have "dropped down". how far exactly ? One Division or two ? And that's assuming that HMRC didn't finish us off completely. As for eventually coming back up, who do you reckon who have financed this. Certainly no Welsh businessman. And where do the fans feature in all this who would have deserted in droves during the drop down the Divisions ?

You'll have to forgive me as my crystal ball is currently being serviced at Olivanders along with my magic financial wand. But to answer your question then I think we would have dropped one or even two divisions. In regards to financial backers, well, there was no-one else at the time & still no-one else but I'm sure something would have been tabled in the lower leagues at some point, although it may have been a messy consortium and you don't want to go there. In regards to fans, its guaranteed that more fairweathers would have walked leaving the hardcore. So unfortunately, no-one has the detailed answers, even with a fully functioning crystal ball but my view of an eventual climb back to the Championship still remains the same.

Had been lower league and no one wanted us before Sam took us on that roller coaster ride. We would have been losing even more money had we had to pay for a 28000 stadium.

I can't believe nobody has pointed out the obvious - wherever we would be we'd have a LOT less debt.

Besides the divide caused by the rebrand Tan's great legacy is massive debt that will take a generation to shake off, if ever.

I can't believe nobody has pointed out the obvious - wherever we would be we'd have a LOT less debt.

Besides the divide caused by the rebrand Tan's great legacy is massive debt that will take a generation to shake off, if ever.

Until the debt gets below 40 million it is still the debt left by Sam and Ridsdale. Not taking into account the million a month we were losing which Tan took us over knowing about but almost stopping his takeover.

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I can't believe nobody has pointed out the obvious - wherever we would be we'd have a LOT less debt.

Besides the divide caused by the rebrand Tan's great legacy is massive debt that will take a generation to shake off, if ever.

You're right of course,but you're also wrong.No matter how big or small your debt is,if your a business and you can't pay it your gone.Thats the position we were in.Of course you may choose to believed the half truths spouted by a few on here but we would have been gone,its that simple and its a matter of record and not someone told me this or that bull.