As it stands now how would you vote on Europe ?

Great concept in my opinion but is being run by imbeciles. Will have to be get the fook out from me.

As it stands now opt out.

Get out we do not have to be in the eu to trade with them look at other countries ,we need to get our country back

100% OUT!

Out.

100% OUT!

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In.

100% out! We want to control our own borders and live in our own democracy and that's something we can't do as members of the EU.

It's a potty most are il informed on the subject.

Immigrants supply a net profit ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497 ) to the UK. Many people leave the UK using laws we would lose if we left.

Beyond that much immigration is non-EU related (non-EU immigration (go to a hospital ward some time and see how awesome the Phillipino staff are) refugee, student, illegal) so wouldn't drastically change, those already here would likely gain some rights of citizen ship or dual citizen ship or amnesty too so that wouldn't have a drastic effect on number of "non-Brittans" (if you're so xenophobic you think it matters)

The true figure in laws is always overstated as people seem to think that because a law is EU created that the UK Hhad no involvement in it ( https://fullfact.org/europe/eu_make_uk_law-29587 ).

It needs reform that much is clear too long has it thought it was above reform for no real good reason. The concept remains good, really it should be a global market rather than just European as technology grows at the rate it is it's going to go that way anyway.

Cheerio Europe

In, because I'm not a Little Englander.

if we pull out of europe wales would be in deep shit-as one of the "poorer" areas of europe we get loads of funding from the EU for a multitude of things ranging from regional grants for local projects to essential funding for education,transport etc-can you see that Eton boy in in number ten giving us those millions instead?

Cameron is going to abuse his position.

He has already change the law so that in the month leading to the vote there are no restrictions of funding either campaign.

The more he does it the more I want to vote out.

To those saying out, you do realise that Wales benefits a massive amount because of the EU? Especially in the poorer parts of Wales, the amount of money we get from the EU is something many of you would simply not believe.

The sad thing is, thanks to our right wing media, we only hear the bad things about being in the EU and never hear about the good things.

It's a potty most are il informed on the subject.

Immigrants supply a net profit ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497 ) to the UK. Many people leave the UK using laws we would lose if we left.

Beyond that much immigration is non-EU related (non-EU immigration (go to a hospital ward some time and see how awesome the Phillipino staff are) refugee, student, illegal) so wouldn't drastically change, those already here would likely gain some rights of citizen ship or dual citizen ship or amnesty too so that wouldn't have a drastic effect on number of "non-Brittans" (if you're so xenophobic you think it matters)

The true figure in laws is always overstated as people seem to think that because a law is EU created that the UK Hhad no involvement in it ( https://fullfact.org/europe/eu_make_uk_law-29587 ).

It needs reform that much is clear too long has it thought it was above reform for no real good reason. The concept remains good, really it should be a global market rather than just European as technology grows at the rate it is it's going to go that way anyway.

Controlled immigration yes. Immigrants that come here to work and add to the economy of the UK yes. But where you are getting confused with most people's objections is not those that want to come and work it's those flocking in that claim benefits for themselves and there families back in there own land. Terrorists and criminals flocking to our shores. Ethnic Gypsies from Eastern Europe who only add to the crime statistics. Adding to a national Health system that cannot cope with the demands of modern Britain. If you can't afford to feed your family don't invite your neighbours around for steak and wine Chief.

Considering we cannot control our borders and letting in non skilled migrants in to abuse our nhs and insurance systems I'm voting out if you wanna see mohammed the most popular name in Britain in ten years you lot carry on

if we pull out of europe wales would be in deep shit-as one of the "poorer" areas of europe we get loads of funding from the EU for a multitude of things ranging from regional grants for local projects to essential funding for education,transport etc-can you see that Eton boy in in number ten giving us those millions instead?

Why should we have to beg/suck up to the Europeans when we want to spend our own money?
Out of Europe means we can contol how we spend our money.

if we pull out of europe wales would be in deep shit-as one of the "poorer" areas of europe we get loads of funding from the EU for a multitude of things ranging from regional grants for local projects to essential funding for education,transport etc-can you see that Eton boy in in number ten giving us those millions instead?

we do get funding but it's match funding ,remember that the government would have more money to hand to fund Wales as we wouldnt be paying into the eu anymore

Out. The EU is acting more and more like a unified political state, and getting involved in disputes elsewhere, like the Ukraine. The Yanks want us in there to do their bidding.

Probably in but I'm not convinced and I'll see what the arguments are. One argument is that it works both ways so if I want to live in France I can. Annis, you might not be able to retire to Majorca if we're not in the EU

We must stay in

There really is no option, we must stay in Europe. Wales benefitted to the tune of over £2bln last year alone. It would ring a death knell to the valleys, the west and north Wales if we left Europe. Don't believe the lies of the right wing press.

With all the talk of immigration on this thread here is an interesting graphic showing immigration into Wales, no not from Europe or Asia but from England. Interesting

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As much as the right wing types would like to make us believe it, Immigration is a non issue in Wales. I like to think that we can see through the politics of hate preached by the likes of UKIPs but unfortunately as the general election showed, there are many that are only too happy to lap up what the Daily Mail etc spout , like a dog eating it's own shit.

There really is no option, we must stay in Europe. Wales benefitted to the tune of over £2bln last year alone. It would ring a death knell to the valleys, the west and north Wales if we left Europe. Don't believe the lies of the right wing press.

With all the talk of immigration on this thread here is an interesting graphic showing immigration into Wales, no not from Europe or Asia but from England. Interesting

That shows an image of Wales with percentage of people born in those areas.
Where does it mention immigration and especially those coming from England?

As much as the right wing types would like to make us believe it, Immigration is a non issue in Wales. I like to think that we can see through the politics of hate preached by the likes of UKIPs but unfortunately as the general election showed, there are many that are only too happy to lap up what the Daily Mail etc spout , like a dog eating it's own shit.

Well it now seems obvious that we have just wasted £millions on a democratic general election to find out what the people of this country want/think/need and it could all have been saved by just listening to you? As obviously you know what is best for all of us and anyone who disagrees with your opinions is wrong.

The only politics of hate are those spouted by socialists with their envy and jealousy of people with aspirations to better themselves and not just be told what is right/good for them, as you want them to do
So thanks for the advice, but I will decide what is right and proper for me, I do not need your discriminating, bully boy, abusive opinions.

Any money "donated" by the EU is only them deciding what we can do with the money we gave them anyway. Better to be out of the failed ideology and get our freedom back to decide things for ourselves - something else you no doubt disagree with as you like to decide for everybody else.

As much as the right wing types would like to make us believe it, Immigration is a non issue in Wales. I like to think that we can see through the politics of hate preached by the likes of UKIPs but unfortunately as the general election showed, there are many that are only too happy to lap up what the Daily Mail etc spout , like a dog eating it's own shit.

Well it now seems obvious that we have just wasted £millions on a democratic general election to find out what the people of this country want/think/need and it could all have been saved by just listening to you? As obviously you know what is best for all of us and anyone who disagrees with your opinions is wrong.

The only politics of hate are those spouted by socialists with their envy and jealousy of people with aspirations to better themselves and not just be told what is right/good for them, as you want them to do
So thanks for the advice, but I will decide what is right and proper for me, I do not need your discriminating, bully boy, abusive opinions.

Any money "donated" by the EU is only them deciding what we can do with the money we gave them anyway. Better to be out of the failed ideology and get our freedom back to decide things for ourselves - something else you no doubt disagree with as you like to decide for everybody else.

I must say you seem rather indignant by his answer but in essence he's right.We as a country get far more out of the EU than we put in.When you say we I'm assuming you mean the english as very little welsh taxpayers money goes in.We in Wales are quite sizable beneficiaries to EU funding and to be honest I would like to see Wales have its say on whether Wales wants to stay in because if it comes to a vote and the english want to come out as it stands so will Wales,Scotland and Northern Ireland.

I would vote out because I'm fed up of English arrogance (I know Scotland and Wales would then go independent and rejoin the EU block) and would rather the rest of Europe become more like Germany, which I think is a far superior country to the UK and a better role model economically and socially to follow. The country is cleaner, the people have more respect, they are more family orientated with a better work ethic and they have a strong emphasis on being a manufacturing nation. Also, they are much better at sport. If you look at the Germanic influence on countries near Germany, you will see that it has been great for them. The more this spreads in a peaceful manner through policy and integration the better. Personally, I would kick England out of the EU and push forward with further integration of a European superstate. England don't want to be a part of that cause they're so far up their own backsides and suffer from an arrogant superiority complex. England suffers from a delusional island mentality and looks down upon not only those in mainland Europe but also many look down on the Scots and the Welsh.

Controlled immigration yes. Immigrants that come here to work and add to the economy of the UK yes. But where you are getting confused with most people's objections is not those that want to come and work it's those flocking in that claim benefits for themselves and there families back in there own land. Terrorists and criminals flocking to our shores. Ethnic Gypsies from Eastern Europe who only add to the crime statistics. Adding to a national Health system that cannot cope with the demands of modern Britain. If you can't afford to feed your family don't invite your neighbours around for steak and wine Chief.

Daft analogy. The skilled in the UK leave and head off to Germany, Australia and America for a better life. Some find the grass is greener, others don't. Thats a different argument. A more fitting analogy is, when you cant feed yourself you want the neighbours to come around with food or you're going to starve. Without foreign investment and migrants working the UK is crippled.

The UK will unfortunately need migrants, including low skilled migrants, until it becomes a self sustaining country. This went out of the window with poor policy elsewhere, an entitled society and the abolishment of a manufacturing nation with a large dependence on the service sector. Considering the current debt levels plus interest that migration is going to be needed for some time.

Let me ask you a couple of questions:

1) Who takes the jobs of the low skilled migrants who get stopped from coming in? The youth today are spoilt and many simply wont work cleaning petrol stations, washing cars, picking the fruits in the fields or working in McDonalds. The society is sick and has harvested a mentality whereby these 'menial' occupations are looked down upon. Everyone wants to be working in the service sector on a middle class income and the mentality of the young today is a far cry from that when you were a lad where Brits had a good work ethic and a family-centred outlook. Over the last couple of decades that all went to pot.

2) How is the debt going to be tackled when the money these immigrants contribute is lost? The debt interest repayments alone currently stand at more than half the EDUCATION budget. For a country that bleats on about how superior it is to a lot of others, that is an international disgrace. Education and health should be the areas of the budget getting the most money but in the backwards UK they get very little and even more cuts are made putting professionals under more strain.

It's time to wake up and realise that the UK is finished and the government couldn't care less about how the average Brit lives. They have one aim and that is to protect their own interests through policies of protectionism and oppressive economic and social intervention in your daily lives infringing upon the liberal freedoms each and every one of us should have as a divine right. However, their mentality is if you know what people are doing and control them by shaping their lives through policy, you can shape the outcome, which is exactly what they do and have been doing for years.

If you want a happy life then leave the UK. Its no surprise 9/10 expats are more happier abroad.

http://www.robinsonsrelo.com/survey-90- ... er-abroad/

If you want a happy life then leave the UK. Its no surprise 9/10 expats are more happier abroad.

Thats true,but as soon as they get sick or injured they soon come running back to Blighty to get fixed on our NHS.

Thats true,but as soon as they get sick or injured they soon come running back to Blighty to get fixed on our NHS.

This isn't true. Expats in Europe get an European Health Insurance Card. Only older retired people tend to return for the NHS. Most working population pay into an insurance style system and get better healthcare than they would get off the NHS. I wouldn't return. I'd rather go private here.