" DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:37 am
" DAVE JONES "
Monday 1st June 2015
By Steve Tucker
On the anniversary of Dave Jones' Cardiff City sacking, Steve Tucker reappraises the Bluebirds boss who he simply couldn't get along with him.
Dave Jones will always be remembered as the 'nearly man' to Cardiff City fans
It was four years ago this week Cardiff City sacked perhaps one of the most divisive managers the club has had in its entire history.
May 30, 2011, was a momentous day in Bluebirds’ folklore. There was the small matter of arch-rivals Swansea City pipping them to become the first Welsh side to reach the Premier League via a momentous play-off win at Wembley whilst earlier had come the news Dave Jones had been shown the door at the capital club.
That one finds it hard to work out if this was a case of ‘a good day to bury bad news’ or ‘a bad day to bury good news’ perhaps typifies the mixed emotions the former Bluebirds boss still evokes within the Cardiff-faithful.
What was certain though was that when Jones was axed, six years and five days after taking over, he became the Bluebirds’ fourth-longest serving manager ever on a very long list of names.
Only the legendary Fred Stewart, of 1927 and all that fame, the redoubtable Cyril Spiers and, the man widely regarded as the greatest Bluebirds boss ever, Jimmy Scoular stayed longer at the helm. Stewart, Spiers and Scoular are still wildly popular, much -loved figures, even if time has perhaps shaved off the rough edges of memory, but Jones remains more problematic and there is one basic reason for it, the 58-year-old was essentially unlikeable.
Now I have to lay my cards on the table here.
Myself and Jones enjoyed a tortured, fractious relationship. That’s when we had a relationship at all as I was banned by him probably as often as I was allowed in his presence.
Dave Jones banned Steve Tucker from his press conferences
Jones didn’t like me or my writing, he’s not alone there anyway.
I vexed him and most certainly irritated him.
I remember once writing that the Cardiff defence had ‘collapsed like a clown’s car’ and he was far from happy.
I recall too, in a move as woefully pretentious as it was a clever, using an analogy between a Cardiff match and Emily Bronte’s classic novel Wuthering Heights. Jones was perplexed.
It was simple really, we didn’t get along.
But it was not just me. Jones’ strange assertion on one occasion to reporters to have ‘a rubbish (not his exact word) trip home’ from Liverpool rankled, his constant under-playing of the enormity of the South Wales derby irked supporters and his perceived air of belligerence and self-satisfaction was far from attractive to many.
Indeed ‘Jones the Moan,’ as he was dubbed by certain sections, once complained no-one got his sense of humour, he was right, in fact, only one man did, Dave Jones.
Whilst casting around for reasons for this, one is naturally drawn to the horrendous false allegations of child abuse Jones had to endure in 1999-2000 whilst in charge at Southampton. It was a profound injustice that would surely affect anyone, a nightmare that might easily totally destroy a man without the inner strength and self-belief Jones himself possessed. Whether that is at the root or not is moot. Those in the media who had contact with him before those dark days hardly paint him as an avuncular figure, in truth.
But if image was one thing, and it is arguable whether that is even an issue for a football manager after all, where Jones will be ultimately judged is in the way he actually managed the Cardiff side on and off the pitch, and again there we see the contradictions and that seem to define the man himself.
Jones will, of course, be remembered as the ‘nearly-man’ of Cardiff City. The person who came so close to taking them up, but, often in heart-breaking and sometimes in absurd fashion, saw the big prize snatched away.
Blackpool at Wembley, Reading in the play-offs in his latter days, the madness of the 6-0 thrashing at Preston have all contributed to the air of failure that hangs over his time at Cardiff. Even one of his greatest moments, the FA Cup final appearance in 2008, is dogged by dissent over his decisions. What? No Aaron Ramsey to start?
Kevin McNaughton and Ross McCormack in absolute despair at the final whistle
But, as time goes by, we realise Jones’ time at the Bluebirds was about much more than all that. On the pitch it is a case now of perhaps not knowing what we had until it was gone.
Despite the disappointments, Jones’ brand of football and the men he assembled to play it was, at its best, breathtaking. Cavalier without being suicidal, patient, but prone to bursts of inspiration.
The Bluebirds were often a joy to watch, better on the eye than the class of Malky Mackay who finally achieved promotion and, compared to Russell Slade’s current crop, virtually the Brazil side of 1970.
Let’s not beat about the bush here, when it came to recruitment, especially on the near nonexistent budgets he often laboured under, Jones was virtually a genius.
The list of hits is lengthy. Michael Chopra, Jay Bothroyd, Jason Koumas, Peter Whittingham, Roger Johnson, Glenn Loovens, Kevin McNaughton, Craig Bellamy, many have gone on to become Bluebirds legends and almost all were secured for modest price-tags or on loan.
Sure, for every hit there was a miss. Iwan Redan? Guylain Ndumbu-Nsungu anyone? But, in fairness, most often they were gambles brought in for next to nothing.
Also in Jones’ favour is the fact that having built up his stars he had to watch them sold from under him, but still he managed once more to build a side capable of challenging at the top end of the Championship.
And despite his outward demeanour, in the dressing room where it really mattered, Jones apparently did have the ability to inspire. He seemed to possess the knack of bringing out the best in his men, even those who had failed elsewhere.
Although even here lies a contradiction of sorts. Particularly latterly in his reign we hear of divisions in the Cardiff camp, lack of discipline amongst players and a lack of focus at the task in hand.
Whether true or not, for many it remains a fundamental reason why Jones’ men never quite managed to reach the promised land.
Dave Jones was many things at Cardiff. A failure, a success; a tactical genius, a maker of mistakes; a curmudgeon and an inspirer and leader of men. Funnily enough they are all probably true.
But, in the end, if one cannot find the enthusiasm still to praise Jones, it is surely time to reappraise the man who may have failed in his mission, but who without doubt laid the foundations upon which the club’s Premier League dream was finally built.
Monday 1st June 2015
By Steve Tucker
On the anniversary of Dave Jones' Cardiff City sacking, Steve Tucker reappraises the Bluebirds boss who he simply couldn't get along with him.
Dave Jones will always be remembered as the 'nearly man' to Cardiff City fans
It was four years ago this week Cardiff City sacked perhaps one of the most divisive managers the club has had in its entire history.
May 30, 2011, was a momentous day in Bluebirds’ folklore. There was the small matter of arch-rivals Swansea City pipping them to become the first Welsh side to reach the Premier League via a momentous play-off win at Wembley whilst earlier had come the news Dave Jones had been shown the door at the capital club.
That one finds it hard to work out if this was a case of ‘a good day to bury bad news’ or ‘a bad day to bury good news’ perhaps typifies the mixed emotions the former Bluebirds boss still evokes within the Cardiff-faithful.
What was certain though was that when Jones was axed, six years and five days after taking over, he became the Bluebirds’ fourth-longest serving manager ever on a very long list of names.
Only the legendary Fred Stewart, of 1927 and all that fame, the redoubtable Cyril Spiers and, the man widely regarded as the greatest Bluebirds boss ever, Jimmy Scoular stayed longer at the helm. Stewart, Spiers and Scoular are still wildly popular, much -loved figures, even if time has perhaps shaved off the rough edges of memory, but Jones remains more problematic and there is one basic reason for it, the 58-year-old was essentially unlikeable.
Now I have to lay my cards on the table here.
Myself and Jones enjoyed a tortured, fractious relationship. That’s when we had a relationship at all as I was banned by him probably as often as I was allowed in his presence.
Dave Jones banned Steve Tucker from his press conferences
Jones didn’t like me or my writing, he’s not alone there anyway.
I vexed him and most certainly irritated him.
I remember once writing that the Cardiff defence had ‘collapsed like a clown’s car’ and he was far from happy.
I recall too, in a move as woefully pretentious as it was a clever, using an analogy between a Cardiff match and Emily Bronte’s classic novel Wuthering Heights. Jones was perplexed.
It was simple really, we didn’t get along.
But it was not just me. Jones’ strange assertion on one occasion to reporters to have ‘a rubbish (not his exact word) trip home’ from Liverpool rankled, his constant under-playing of the enormity of the South Wales derby irked supporters and his perceived air of belligerence and self-satisfaction was far from attractive to many.
Indeed ‘Jones the Moan,’ as he was dubbed by certain sections, once complained no-one got his sense of humour, he was right, in fact, only one man did, Dave Jones.
Whilst casting around for reasons for this, one is naturally drawn to the horrendous false allegations of child abuse Jones had to endure in 1999-2000 whilst in charge at Southampton. It was a profound injustice that would surely affect anyone, a nightmare that might easily totally destroy a man without the inner strength and self-belief Jones himself possessed. Whether that is at the root or not is moot. Those in the media who had contact with him before those dark days hardly paint him as an avuncular figure, in truth.
But if image was one thing, and it is arguable whether that is even an issue for a football manager after all, where Jones will be ultimately judged is in the way he actually managed the Cardiff side on and off the pitch, and again there we see the contradictions and that seem to define the man himself.
Jones will, of course, be remembered as the ‘nearly-man’ of Cardiff City. The person who came so close to taking them up, but, often in heart-breaking and sometimes in absurd fashion, saw the big prize snatched away.
Blackpool at Wembley, Reading in the play-offs in his latter days, the madness of the 6-0 thrashing at Preston have all contributed to the air of failure that hangs over his time at Cardiff. Even one of his greatest moments, the FA Cup final appearance in 2008, is dogged by dissent over his decisions. What? No Aaron Ramsey to start?
Kevin McNaughton and Ross McCormack in absolute despair at the final whistle
But, as time goes by, we realise Jones’ time at the Bluebirds was about much more than all that. On the pitch it is a case now of perhaps not knowing what we had until it was gone.
Despite the disappointments, Jones’ brand of football and the men he assembled to play it was, at its best, breathtaking. Cavalier without being suicidal, patient, but prone to bursts of inspiration.
The Bluebirds were often a joy to watch, better on the eye than the class of Malky Mackay who finally achieved promotion and, compared to Russell Slade’s current crop, virtually the Brazil side of 1970.
Let’s not beat about the bush here, when it came to recruitment, especially on the near nonexistent budgets he often laboured under, Jones was virtually a genius.
The list of hits is lengthy. Michael Chopra, Jay Bothroyd, Jason Koumas, Peter Whittingham, Roger Johnson, Glenn Loovens, Kevin McNaughton, Craig Bellamy, many have gone on to become Bluebirds legends and almost all were secured for modest price-tags or on loan.
Sure, for every hit there was a miss. Iwan Redan? Guylain Ndumbu-Nsungu anyone? But, in fairness, most often they were gambles brought in for next to nothing.
Also in Jones’ favour is the fact that having built up his stars he had to watch them sold from under him, but still he managed once more to build a side capable of challenging at the top end of the Championship.
And despite his outward demeanour, in the dressing room where it really mattered, Jones apparently did have the ability to inspire. He seemed to possess the knack of bringing out the best in his men, even those who had failed elsewhere.
Although even here lies a contradiction of sorts. Particularly latterly in his reign we hear of divisions in the Cardiff camp, lack of discipline amongst players and a lack of focus at the task in hand.
Whether true or not, for many it remains a fundamental reason why Jones’ men never quite managed to reach the promised land.
Dave Jones was many things at Cardiff. A failure, a success; a tactical genius, a maker of mistakes; a curmudgeon and an inspirer and leader of men. Funnily enough they are all probably true.
But, in the end, if one cannot find the enthusiasm still to praise Jones, it is surely time to reappraise the man who may have failed in his mission, but who without doubt laid the foundations upon which the club’s Premier League dream was finally built.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:37 am
one thing, it was rarely dull - and often exciting, with some fabulous goals. I truly think that if Jones had had a quality defensive CM then things could have been different.
Never liked the man, but respected what he did - some sections of the Canton stand singing "getting sacked in the morning" near the end of the Reading debacle, quickly hushed out by large sections of the ground, including me.
It was right he went when he did.
As for discipline issues with the players - it always amuses me to read this manager or that manager had discipline problems etc, well it is the players behaving badly not the manager. Long gone are the days when a football manager could properly discipline his players, just as long gone are the days when teachers are treated with any respect by kids in schools nowadays.
Anyhow CTID
Never liked the man, but respected what he did - some sections of the Canton stand singing "getting sacked in the morning" near the end of the Reading debacle, quickly hushed out by large sections of the ground, including me.
It was right he went when he did.
As for discipline issues with the players - it always amuses me to read this manager or that manager had discipline problems etc, well it is the players behaving badly not the manager. Long gone are the days when a football manager could properly discipline his players, just as long gone are the days when teachers are treated with any respect by kids in schools nowadays.
Anyhow CTID
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:42 am
I think that this is a great piece that sums up Dave Jones. Well done Tucker.
I didn't like the guy but some of the football was breathtaking and not seen since although he also made some howlers.
I don't think he was great at managing youngsters. Ramsey was not given enough game time and his treatment of Matthews was a disgrace. There were other youngsters during his tenure who were not, in my opinion, given enough time and could have benefited from going out on loan rather than let go.
I am not sure how much influence Jones had over player contracts but under his leadership we let Ledley, Matthews and Jay leave for nothing. Criminal if you ask me but in all fairness that might not be Jones's fault.
I didn't like the guy but some of the football was breathtaking and not seen since although he also made some howlers.
I don't think he was great at managing youngsters. Ramsey was not given enough game time and his treatment of Matthews was a disgrace. There were other youngsters during his tenure who were not, in my opinion, given enough time and could have benefited from going out on loan rather than let go.
I am not sure how much influence Jones had over player contracts but under his leadership we let Ledley, Matthews and Jay leave for nothing. Criminal if you ask me but in all fairness that might not be Jones's fault.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:03 am
Quote (Tucker): "Jones didn’t like me or my writing, he’s not alone there anyway."
I can vouch for the latter part!
On a serious note, this is the second 'tidy' piece of writing from Steve Tucker in as many weeks!
Personally, I was a Dave Jones fan and was initially gutted when he left and would have welcomed him back at the time Slade was installed!
He seemed to have his faults (haven't we all, Military Junta apart?
) but he was ultimately good for this club and the path it was on at that time. Did well (on the whole) in the transfer market and took us to the FA Cup Final and a Play-Off Final; both of which were major highlights of my supporting life! 
I can vouch for the latter part!
On a serious note, this is the second 'tidy' piece of writing from Steve Tucker in as many weeks!
Personally, I was a Dave Jones fan and was initially gutted when he left and would have welcomed him back at the time Slade was installed!
He seemed to have his faults (haven't we all, Military Junta apart?
) but he was ultimately good for this club and the path it was on at that time. Did well (on the whole) in the transfer market and took us to the FA Cup Final and a Play-Off Final; both of which were major highlights of my supporting life!
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:11 am
It was exciting but it was always fruitless. He just lacked any kind of "get up and go". Was beautiful football worth the "people in this part of the world", "derbies are just another game", and the constant squad indiscipline. Yes, the players must take responsibility but they also got away with murder which did nothing to deter them.
I was a Jones fan until the playoff final against Blackpool. I felt he should have gone after that. Any decent manager would have got us promoted as champions with that squad. People say Malky got us promoted on a big budget but I still think the squad Jones had was better back in 2010 and he failed.
Would I want Jones back as manager? Right now? I'm not sure. Maybe as a scout or director of football to help Slade with budget signings but to be fair, one of Slade's strengths is his player recruitment.
I was a Jones fan until the playoff final against Blackpool. I felt he should have gone after that. Any decent manager would have got us promoted as champions with that squad. People say Malky got us promoted on a big budget but I still think the squad Jones had was better back in 2010 and he failed.
Would I want Jones back as manager? Right now? I'm not sure. Maybe as a scout or director of football to help Slade with budget signings but to be fair, one of Slade's strengths is his player recruitment.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:38 am
Would have Jones back tomorrow
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:16 am
A lot of us are realising how good his football could be at times.
What Mackey achieved that Jones failed miserable on was consistency. Under Malky a bad performance was responded by a back to basics average display resulting in a draw or win. Jones bad performances went on for a few games and I believe that is what cost him crossing the line.
What Mackey achieved that Jones failed miserable on was consistency. Under Malky a bad performance was responded by a back to basics average display resulting in a draw or win. Jones bad performances went on for a few games and I believe that is what cost him crossing the line.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:46 am
All the money at his disposal and he couldn't get up promoted in 6 years
one word FAILURE
one word FAILURE
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:51 am
his constant refusal to change things during a game really pissed me off. In the end 9 times out of 10 City would get down by a team playing 5 across the midfield and that's when his team got found out time after time.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:43 pm
BEEP AHM wrote:All the money at his disposal and he couldn't get up promoted in 6 years
one word FAILURE
Did he really spend that much though compared to what we sold players on for?
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:45 pm
I think that article says more about Tucker than DJ
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:53 pm
BEEP AHM wrote:All the money at his disposal and he couldn't get up promoted in 6 years
one word FAILURE
Couldn't let this one pass.What you say is a crock of shite.Jones never had a quarter of the money that Malky had and when he first arrived had to sell just about anything that could walk.I dunno,this forum is the fountain of all bullshit at times.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:13 pm
Sneggyblubird wrote:BEEP AHM wrote:All the money at his disposal and he couldn't get up promoted in 6 years
one word FAILURE
Couldn't let this one pass.What you say is a crock of shite.Jones never had a quarter of the money that Malky had and when he first arrived had to sell just about anything that could walk.I dunno,this forum is the fountain of all bullshit at times.
That's right, blame the forum.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:29 pm
I wanted Jones out after the play off final because he didn't look that much bothered and he didn't care how much the Derby meant to the fans it was just "another fixture" and just he just let some players to go out and gamble get drunk.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:01 pm
Yes he was a moaner but to be fair, we haven't seen such exciting & attacking football forma city team since he left.
Yes he signed some dross, real dross but also some gems like Bothroyd, Burke, McCormack, Chopra etc.
Yes he signed some dross, real dross but also some gems like Bothroyd, Burke, McCormack, Chopra etc.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:16 pm
Dave Jones wasn't a bad manager, but lets not forget that he had a very good coach during his watch, Terry Burton. TB was pivotal to any success that can be credited to DJ during his City reign. I often thought that DJ was a bit too "laid back" at times,,,& lacked that little bit of attention to detail,,,detail that makes all the difference in the end.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:05 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:BEEP AHM wrote:All the money at his disposal and he couldn't get up promoted in 6 years
one word FAILURE
Couldn't let this one pass.What you say is a crock of shite.Jones never had a quarter of the money that Malky had and when he first arrived had to sell just about anything that could walk.I dunno,this forum is the fountain of all bullshit at times.
That's right, blame the forum.
Not the forum but some of the twerps on it.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:38 pm
BEEP AHM wrote:All the money at his disposal and he couldn't get up promoted in 6 years
one word FAILURE
Come off it, we spent £30m on wages in our promotion season, compare that to our 09/10 team and it's probably considerably less
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:09 pm
Sneggyblubird wrote:BEEP AHM wrote:All the money at his disposal and he couldn't get up promoted in 6 years
one word FAILURE
Couldn't let this one pass.What you say is a crock of shite.Jones never had a quarter of the money that Malky had and when he first arrived had to sell just about anything that could walk.I dunno,this forum is the fountain of all bullshit at times.
There's always the odd mad hatter who has ridiculous opinions,dj was our best manager in yrs imo
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:26 pm
I'd take what we had then (under Jones) over what we have now (under Slade)
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:08 am
Dave Jones was a very intelligent man who found football management easy, that was his downfall. He spent too much time away from the club playing golf rather than putting the hours in on the training ground.
If he had the work ethic of other great intelligent managers then he would have been a great and we would have made the Premiership as long ago as 2006.
If he had the work ethic of other great intelligent managers then he would have been a great and we would have made the Premiership as long ago as 2006.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:26 am
Reza wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:BEEP AHM wrote:All the money at his disposal and he couldn't get up promoted in 6 years
one word FAILURE
Couldn't let this one pass.What you say is a crock of shite.Jones never had a quarter of the money that Malky had and when he first arrived had to sell just about anything that could walk.I dunno,this forum is the fountain of all bullshit at times.
There's always the odd mad hatter who has ridiculous opinions,dj was our best manager in yrs imo
haha really? Malky got us promoted DJ didn't - simple - FAILURE!!
Swansea and others got promoted with half the budget, wake up and get from up DJ's arse.......
I could of got us promoted in SIX years with his budget and my managerial career is built around playing FIFA on PC
You forget Middlesbrough home game?, got the team well prepared for that didn't he!!, really focused they were. He lost the dressing room and quite rightly lost his job
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:56 am
Ninian Knight wrote:Dave Jones was a very intelligent man who found football management easy, that was his downfall. He spent too much time away from the club playing golf rather than putting the hours in on the training ground.
If he had the work ethic of other great intelligent managers then he would have been a great and we would have made the Premiership as long ago as 2006.
Not only golf. Apparently.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:09 pm
BEEP AHM wrote:Reza wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:BEEP AHM wrote:All the money at his disposal and he couldn't get up promoted in 6 years
one word FAILURE
Couldn't let this one pass.What you say is a crock of shite.Jones never had a quarter of the money that Malky had and when he first arrived had to sell just about anything that could walk.I dunno,this forum is the fountain of all bullshit at times.
There's always the odd mad hatter who has ridiculous opinions,dj was our best manager in yrs imo
haha really? Malky got us promoted DJ didn't - simple - FAILURE!!
L
Swansea and others got promoted with half the budget, wake up and get from up DJ's arse.......
I could of got us promoted in SIX years with his budget and my managerial career is built around playing FIFA on PC
You forget Middlesbrough home game?, got the team well prepared for that didn't he!!, really focused they were. He lost the dressing room and quite rightly lost his job
Possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen on here DJ never got a budget MM spent millions compared to Jones and we remain one of the only teams to buy ourselves out of the championship DJ would have got us promoted if given the budget MM had
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:20 pm
Ninian Knight wrote:Dave Jones was a very intelligent man who found football management easy, that was his downfall. He spent too much time away from the club playing golf rather than putting the hours in on the training ground.
If he had the work ethic of other great intelligent managers then he would have been a great and we would have made the Premiership as long ago as 2006.
I believed this to be the case to,,,,,when I said earlier that he lacked a little bit of "attention to detail",,,that's exactly what I meant.
He tended to leave too much management control to other people,,,& he certainly gave his players too much rope at times,,,some more than others it could be argued. One the other side of the coin, some players crossed him to their cost, Alexander, Thompson, McCormack & Matthews spring to mind, & more than a few others it would seem!
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:35 am
Young snibs wrote:BEEP AHM wrote:Reza wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:BEEP AHM wrote:All the money at his disposal and he couldn't get up promoted in 6 years
one word FAILURE
Couldn't let this one pass.What you say is a crock of shite.Jones never had a quarter of the money that Malky had and when he first arrived had to sell just about anything that could walk.I dunno,this forum is the fountain of all bullshit at times.
There's always the odd mad hatter who has ridiculous opinions,dj was our best manager in yrs imo
haha really? Malky got us promoted DJ didn't - simple - FAILURE!!
L
Swansea and others got promoted with half the budget, wake up and get from up DJ's arse.......
I could of got us promoted in SIX years with his budget and my managerial career is built around playing FIFA on PC
You forget Middlesbrough home game?, got the team well prepared for that didn't he!!, really focused they were. He lost the dressing room and quite rightly lost his job
Possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen on here DJ never got a budget MM spent millions compared to Jones and we remain one of the only teams to buy ourselves out of the championship DJ would have got us promoted if given the budget MM had
Never said DJ had MM budget!! I said he had enough of a budget to get us up, more than almost every other team
in them days - leave it go he is failure
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:44 pm
Always said DJ was a great manager in the history of CCFC and I still believe that. Would have been interesting to see what DJ would have achieved in 11/12 if he had stayed but ultimately MM did a fantastic job anyway.
Re: " DAVE JONES "
Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:18 pm
Good article ,I agree malky built on the foundation jones laid ,personally wasn't keen on him for some reason