" Is Cardiff City now tainted? "

" Is Cardiff City now tainted? "

http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/news/

Following on from Carl's post '3 major mistakes,' surely mistakes have long-term repercussions.

Also following on from a WOL article, 'Use the loan market' with examples of Boro & Brentford utilising the loan market with great effect. I pose this question, Does anyone believe Owners/Chairmen will be doing business with Cardiff this summer with Tan's best interests at heart?

Tan ensured that the Cardiff City board boycotted Wigan in protest at Whelan's naivety when addressing the press in defence of Malky. Indeed, according to Tan, Wigan are summed up as "a racist chairman hiring a racist manager." The FA were 'satisfied' Whelan is no racist.

Wigan Athletic spent along time in the Premier League, dealing with the top clubs, acquiring loan deals, transfers, and selling there best players on. Effectively, making good contacts within the game. Making an enemy of this club is not beneficial. People within the same circles talk.

Vincent thought he found a friend in Jose Mourinho upon meeting him, he asked for a bit of insider information on hot talents, he got Etien Velikonja via Jose's agent Jorge Mendes for around £3.5mil.

The goodwill is not there for star loan signings such as Bamford to be acquired by Slade & Tan. Tan is not, and it is doubtful if he will ever be in a position where favours are afforded him. Slade only has 'contacts' within the lower leagues. Certainly, he will never be able to pull off a transfer like Brendan Rodgers/Huw Jenkins did with Scott Sinclair @ £500,000 to £1mil. That type of value does not exist for Tan & Slade.

What contacts has the club made under Tan? It is plausible that he is not only unpopular in the media, but within the game itself. Bad hand of cards being dealt for the upcoming transfer window?

I think Tan is very naive if he thinks the rebrand can be rectified in one fell swoop. This was one of the most horrific acts an owner could do in football and the repercussions will last for years.

There will be those that won't forgive him and won't return until he leaves. Then there are those who got on with life when they boycotted and life has taken over so they can't return yet but might in the future.

Personally, I've forgiven Tan for the rebrand. I will never like him but I don't want to be eaten up by a hatred for him. It would be a waste of time. Provided he keeps improving as an owner, which I think he is slowly but surely, then I think things will improve and rebuild. It won't happen overnight though.

I think Tan is very naive if he thinks the rebrand can be rectified in one fell swoop. This was one of the most horrific acts an owner could do in football and the repercussions will last for years.

There will be those that won't forgive him and won't return until he leaves. Then there are those who got on with life when they boycotted and life has taken over so they can't return yet but might in the future.

Personally, I've forgiven Tan for the rebrand. I will never like him but I don't want to be eaten up by a hatred for him. It would be a waste of time. Provided he keeps improving as an owner, which I think he is slowly but surely, then I think things will improve and rebuild. It won't happen overnight though.

Agreed it is going to take more than rebrand reversal to heal wounds.

I also believe that winning, exciting football will do much to repair the damage, as fans are fickle and can forget the past when the present is exciting.

Tan faces an uphill battle in my eyes, he has no other choice than paying over-the-odds on players due to the lack of goodwill in the game for him by clubs & agents.

How many more ways will there be throughout summer to have bash at tan and slade. It gets boring after so long

How many more ways will there be throughout summer to have bash at tan and slade. It gets boring after so long

I was not having a go at Slade, it is not his fault that his contact with Premier League clubs would of been minimal throughout his career.

Do you honestly think that making enemies within the game is beneficial when entering the transfer market?

A majority of clubs will stay clear of doing mutually beneficial business with us, and choose clubs they have established a good relationship with. Moreover, nobody at the club would recognise mutually beneficial business, other than letting our high earners go when there was nothing to play for.

They understood well that loaning out Connelly & KJ saved a lot of money. That is good business, nothing to do with football recruitment.

Tan doesn't even turn up to games and knows nothing about football. Choo & Dalman know nothing about football. Not boring, all facts.

Tan has also done himself no favours in my eyes over the Langstone debt. The club made big announcements confirming they had reached agreement with Langstone - and indeed repaid most of the debt as agreed. Then, when it got down to the last £5/6m the club then decided they had to have more information about Langstone before they would pay this residual sum. Why pay £17/18m then suddenly refuse to pay the balance? - the club is acting like a dodgy builder who has been paid in full to do a job and doesn't turn up to do the final works.

Tan has also done himself no favours in my eyes over the Langstone debt. The club made big announcements confirming they had reached agreement with Langstone - and indeed repaid most of the debt as agreed. Then, when it got down to the last £5/6m the club then decided they had to have more information about Langstone before they would pay this residual sum. Why pay £17/18m then suddenly refuse to pay the balance? - the club is acting like a dodgy builder who has been paid in full to do a job and doesn't turn up to do the final works.

Tan & Dalman are vastly more competent in the financial sector than they are in football ownership/chairmanship. Well, as I write this I forgot to factor in the club debt, certainly there is no good example of shrewd financial competency by the way he has run this club

No we are not tainted! You Can say same about lots clubs, at end day money talks and it wont cost us no more than any other club to buy players nor will it put off players coming here! Players go where wanted or get better deal! As for rebrand Liverpool/Leeds both rebranded before they were big! didn't do long term damage did it?

No we are not tainted! You Can say same about lots clubs, at end day money talks and it wont cost us no more than any other club to buy players nor will it put off players coming here! Players go where wanted or get better deal! As for rebrand Liverpool/Leeds both rebranded before they were big! didn't do long term damage did it?

The Leeds re brand is still living memory for their older fans, not sure about the Liverpool ones, unless some of them are in their 130's or 40's?

No we are not tainted! You Can say same about lots clubs, at end day money talks and it wont cost us no more than any other club to buy players nor will it put off players coming here! Players go where wanted or get better deal! As for rebrand Liverpool/Leeds both rebranded before they were big! didn't do long term damage did it?

The Leeds re brand is still living memory for their older fans, not sure about the Liverpool ones, unless some of them are in their 130's or 40's?

Liverpool was done by shankly just after he took over we beat them 4-0 in old 2nd div!
The rest is history!

No we are not tainted! You Can say same about lots clubs, at end day money talks and it wont cost us no more than any other club to buy players nor will it put off players coming here! Players go where wanted or get better deal! As for rebrand Liverpool/Leeds both rebranded before they were big! didn't do long term damage did it?

The Leeds re brand is still living memory for their older fans, not sure about the Liverpool ones, unless some of them are in their 130's or 40's?

Liverpool was done by shankly just after he took over we beat them 4-0 in old 2nd div!
The rest is history!

Interesting, but in what way did Bill Shankly re brand Liverpool, just after he took over?

No we are not tainted! You Can say same about lots clubs, at end day money talks and it wont cost us no more than any other club to buy players nor will it put off players coming here! Players go where wanted or get better deal! As for rebrand Liverpool/Leeds both rebranded before they were big! didn't do long term damage did it?

Money does talk Allan, Tan will get no favours from larger clubs who are not so strapped of cash. Scott Sinclair 500k to £1mil is a favour from Chelsea to Rodgers/Jenkins who they respect. Bamford loaned to Boro is a favour. Our management get offered Zaha & Ravel Morrison, says it all.

All talking a load of bollocks ffs
We just bought a lad from Everton and loaned a very good prospect from Everton
Who is there manager
Yes you got it Martinez
Who did he manage ,who is he very good friends with
Yes you got it Wigan and mr wheelan
So that blows this load of trash of a thread right out of the water ,exactly where it belongs
Just another knock our owner / manager / club at all costs thread
By the way where's the tan in/ out smilley

All talking a load of bollocks ffs
We just bought a lad from Everton and loaned a very good prospect from Everton
Who is there manager
Yes you got it Martinez
Who did he manage ,who is he very good friends with
Yes you got it Wigan and mr wheelan
So that blows this load of trash of a thread right out of the water ,exactly where it belongs
Just another knock our owner / manager / club at all costs thread
By the way where's the tan in/ out smilley

Are Martinez and Whelan that close now? After working so closely together, and Martinez taking with him his favourite Wigan players to Everton (Arouna Koné, James McCarthy, Antolín Alcaraz), the relationship might be not be what you suggest it is.

All talking a load of bollocks ffs
We just bought a lad from Everton and loaned a very good prospect from Everton
Who is there manager
Yes you got it Martinez
Who did he manage ,who is he very good friends with
Yes you got it Wigan and mr wheelan
So that blows this load of trash of a thread right out of the water ,exactly where it belongs
Just another knock our owner / manager / club at all costs thread
By the way where's the tan in/ out smilley

Are Martinez and Whelan that close now? After working so closely together, and Martinez taking with him his favourite Wigan players to Everton (Arouna Koné, James McCarthy, Antolín Alcaraz), the relationship might be not be what you suggest it is.

Think they parted on good terms if I'm not mistaken
But my main point was that we did do deals with a premier club

Following on from Carl's post '3 major mistakes,' surely mistakes have long-term repercussions.

Also following on from a WOL article, 'Use the loan market' with examples of Boro & Brentford utilising the loan market with great effect. I pose this question, Does anyone believe Owners/Chairmen will be doing business with Cardiff this summer with Tan's best interests at heart?

Tan ensured that the Cardiff City board boycotted Wigan in protest at Whelan's naivety when addressing the press in defence of Malky. Indeed, according to Tan, Wigan are summed up as "a racist chairman hiring a racist manager." The FA were 'satisfied' Whelan is no racist.

Wigan Athletic spent along time in the Premier League, dealing with the top clubs, acquiring loan deals, transfers, and selling there best players on. Effectively, making good contacts within the game. Making an enemy of this club is not beneficial. People within the same circles talk.

Vincent thought he found a friend in Jose Mourinho upon meeting him, he asked for a bit of insider information on hot talents, he got Etien Velikonja via Jose's agent Jorge Mendes for around £3.5mil.

The goodwill is not there for star loan signings such as Bamford to be acquired by Slade & Tan. Tan is not, and it is doubtful if he will ever be in a position where favours are afforded him. Slade only has 'contacts' within the lower leagues. Certainly, he will never be able to pull off a transfer like Brendan Rodgers/Huw Jenkins did with Scott Sinclair @ £500,000 to £1mil. That type of value does not exist for Tan & Slade.

What contacts has the club made under Tan? It is plausible that he is not only unpopular in the media, but within the game itself. Bad hand of cards being dealt for the upcoming transfer window?

I agree with the spirit of this post in that Cardiff City have been very poor in building relationships with other clubs, but I don't think that is something we can't repair. I really don't believe that Mehmet Dalman isn't well connected throughout the football universe, but of course his judgement might be suspect if you consider OGS as manager and possibly the Fabio signings.

All talking a load of bollocks ffs
We just bought a lad from Everton and loaned a very good prospect from Everton
Who is there manager
Yes you got it Martinez
Who did he manage ,who is he very good friends with
Yes you got it Wigan and mr wheelan
So that blows this load of trash of a thread right out of the water ,exactly where it belongs
Just another knock our owner / manager / club at all costs thread
By the way where's the tan in/ out smilley

Are Martinez and Whelan that close now? After working so closely together, and Martinez taking with him his favourite Wigan players to Everton (Arouna Koné, James McCarthy, Antolín Alcaraz), the relationship might be not be what you suggest it is.

Think they parted on good terms if I'm not mistaken
But my main point was that we did do deals with a premier club

Yes, that is true. We will never know what they paid for Kennedy as it's an undisclosed fee. There is a high possibility that whatever the fee was, looks like Cardiff done good business, i'll give them credit where it's due, he is a good signing

We did business with a Premier League club, we signed a player that did not have a chance of progressing his career at Everton. Is he one of the brightest young talents in the country? Is he going to outgrow the Championship standard and get City into the Premier with his talent ? Time will tell.

Following on from Carl's post '3 major mistakes,' surely mistakes have long-term repercussions.

Also following on from a WOL article, 'Use the loan market' with examples of Boro & Brentford utilising the loan market with great effect. I pose this question, Does anyone believe Owners/Chairmen will be doing business with Cardiff this summer with Tan's best interests at heart?

Tan ensured that the Cardiff City board boycotted Wigan in protest at Whelan's naivety when addressing the press in defence of Malky. Indeed, according to Tan, Wigan are summed up as "a racist chairman hiring a racist manager." The FA were 'satisfied' Whelan is no racist.

Wigan Athletic spent along time in the Premier League, dealing with the top clubs, acquiring loan deals, transfers, and selling there best players on. Effectively, making good contacts within the game. Making an enemy of this club is not beneficial. People within the same circles talk.

Vincent thought he found a friend in Jose Mourinho upon meeting him, he asked for a bit of insider information on hot talents, he got Etien Velikonja via Jose's agent Jorge Mendes for around £3.5mil.

The goodwill is not there for star loan signings such as Bamford to be acquired by Slade & Tan. Tan is not, and it is doubtful if he will ever be in a position where favours are afforded him. Slade only has 'contacts' within the lower leagues. Certainly, he will never be able to pull off a transfer like Brendan Rodgers/Huw Jenkins did with Scott Sinclair @ £500,000 to £1mil. That type of value does not exist for Tan & Slade.

What contacts has the club made under Tan? It is plausible that he is not only unpopular in the media, but within the game itself. Bad hand of cards being dealt for the upcoming transfer window?

I agree with the spirit of this post in that Cardiff City have been very poor in building relationships with other clubs, but I don't think that is something we can't repair. I really don't believe that Mehmet Dalman isn't well connected throughout the football universe, but of course his judgement might be suspect if you consider OGS as manager and possibly the Fabio signings.

Cheers mate, may I stress to all, I have no idea why the signings since Tan's arrival have not really worked out after McKay's initial outlay, why we have overpaid on average to poor talent etc, I am only speculating as per norm on a football forum. It may not be that complicated, our board's judgement has been poor, players not scouted adequately, is certainly credible and most likely.

No we are not tainted! You Can say same about lots clubs, at end day money talks and it wont cost us no more than any other club to buy players nor will it put off players coming here! Players go where wanted or get better deal! As for rebrand Liverpool/Leeds both rebranded before they were big! didn't do long term damage did it?

Money does talk Allan, Tan will get no favours from larger clubs who are not so strapped of cash. Scott Sinclair 500k to £1mil is a favour from Chelsea to Rodgers/Jenkins who they respect. Bamford loaned to Boro is a favour. Our management get offered Zaha & Ravel Morrison, says it all.

Sorry, but I think you are looking at this from one side...and a bias one at that!

Clubs will do business with other clubs regardless, if/when it suits all parties

A good example is us now being 'in' for a Wigan player after it was stated they wouldn't do 'business' with us

And whilst Zaha and Ravel didn't exactly set the world on fire at the CCS, no one could have predicted the total lack of real impact either made and most fans were happy at the prospect of the coming, as I recall

No we are not tainted! You Can say same about lots clubs, at end day money talks and it wont cost us no more than any other club to buy players nor will it put off players coming here! Players go where wanted or get better deal! As for rebrand Liverpool/Leeds both rebranded before they were big! didn't do long term damage did it?

Money does talk Allan, Tan will get no favours from larger clubs who are not so strapped of cash. Scott Sinclair 500k to £1mil is a favour from Chelsea to Rodgers/Jenkins who they respect. Bamford loaned to Boro is a favour. Our management get offered Zaha & Ravel Morrison, says it all.

Sorry, but I think you are looking at this from one side...and a bias one at that!

Clubs will do business with other clubs regardless, if/when it suits all parties

A good example is us now being 'in' for a Wigan player after it was stated they wouldn't do 'business' with us

And whilst Zaha and Ravel didn't exactly set the world on fire at the CCS, no one could have predicted the total lack of real impact either made and most fans were happy at the prospect of the coming, as I recall

I am struggling to make comeback on the points raised as you are probably right on all counts Ravel Morrison was a boardroom decision to loan him, 100% that didn't work, and in all probability, there was not many clubs that thought loaning him would be a good idea. Zaha was a flop that nobody could of envisaged as the last we saw of him at Palace, he was a talent.

Be interesting if Wigan will tout there player to other clubs if we were the sole bidder, it's certainly in there capability to not accept bids from a club that branded the new Chairman's Grandad a racist. Will be interesting to see what happens

No we are not tainted! You Can say same about lots clubs, at end day money talks and it wont cost us no more than any other club to buy players nor will it put off players coming here! Players go where wanted or get better deal! As for rebrand Liverpool/Leeds both rebranded before they were big! didn't do long term damage did it?

Money does talk Allan, Tan will get no favours from larger clubs who are not so strapped of cash. Scott Sinclair 500k to £1mil is a favour from Chelsea to Rodgers/Jenkins who they respect. Bamford loaned to Boro is a favour. Our management get offered Zaha & Ravel Morrison, says it all.

Sorry, but I think you are looking at this from one side...and a bias one at that!

Clubs will do business with other clubs regardless, if/when it suits all parties

A good example is us now being 'in' for a Wigan player after it was stated they wouldn't do 'business' with us

And whilst Zaha and Ravel didn't exactly set the world on fire at the CCS, no one could have predicted the total lack of real impact either made and most fans were happy at the prospect of the coming, as I recall

Disagree with morrrison, there are many clubs that wouldn't have touched him the guy is a complete nightmare.

Thomas,
I dont think Cardiff City is tainted, I think Tan is, most good managers and class players will keep there distance from our club until he has gone.

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Thomas,
I dont think Cardiff City is tainted, I think Tan is, most good managers and class players will keep there distance from our club until he has gone.

I agree with that Annis, it is going to be a difficult season I think next season, I am having a bit of a backlash against somehow we are to transform into a progressive club like Brentford & Bournemouth overnight, it takes time and competent people to do such things.

However, I do realise my attitude has to change in order to see the Tan era through, enjoy the next season, pipe down a bit, and surely the actual football can't be as bad next season.

Thomas,
I dont think Cardiff City is tainted, I think Tan is, most good managers and class players will keep there distance from our club until he has gone.

I agree with that Annis, it is going to be a difficult season I think next season, I am having a bit of a backlash against somehow we are to transform into a progressive club like Brentford & Bournemouth overnight, it takes time and competent people to do such things.

However, I do realise my attitude has to change in order to see the Tan era through, enjoy the next season, pipe down a bit, and surely the actual football can't be as bad next season.

Thomas, You dont have to change your attitude,its your opinion/belief , Tan has in my opinion destroyed the heart of our club and divided it beyond,put us in more debt than ever and thanks to his circus,many thousands have walked away.
I for one will never forgive him.

How many more ways will there be throughout summer to have bash at tan and slade. It gets boring after so long

I was not having a go at Slade, it is not his fault that his contact with Premier League clubs would of been minimal throughout his career.

Do you honestly think that making enemies within the game is beneficial when entering the transfer market?

A majority of clubs will stay clear of doing mutually beneficial business with us, and choose clubs they have established a good relationship with. Moreover, nobody at the club would recognise mutually beneficial business, other than letting our high earners go when there was nothing to play for.

They understood well that loaning out Connelly & KJ saved a lot of money. That is good business, nothing to do with football recruitment. Harrry Kane scored his first senior goals on loan at Orient under Slade, so I think it would presumptuous to talk of Slades contacts with EPL clubs. The lads from Everton helped shape up our run in, with their injection of added pace and creativity.

Tan doesn't even turn up to games and knows nothing about football. Choo & Dalman know nothing about football. Not boring, all facts.

How many more ways will there be throughout summer to have bash at tan and slade. It gets boring after so long

I was not having a go at Slade, it is not his fault that his contact with Premier League clubs would of been minimal throughout his career.

Do you honestly think that making enemies within the game is beneficial when entering the transfer market?

A majority of clubs will stay clear of doing mutually beneficial business with us, and choose clubs they have established a good relationship with. Moreover, nobody at the club would recognise mutually beneficial business, other than letting our high earners go when there was nothing to play for.

They understood well that loaning out Connelly & KJ saved a lot of money. That is good business, nothing to do with football recruitment. Harrry Kane scored his first senior goals on loan at Orient under Slade, so I think it would presumptuous to talk of Slades contacts with EPL clubs. The lads from Everton helped shape up our run in, with their injection of added pace and creativity.

Tan doesn't even turn up to games and knows nothing about football. Choo & Dalman know nothing about football. Not boring, all facts.

I think did it wrong meant to say this , on a pc not phone anyhow - Harrry Kane scored his first senior goals on loan at Orient under Slade, so I think it would presumptuous to talk of Slades contacts with EPL clubs. The lads from Everton helped shape up our run in, with their injection of added pace and creativity.

No we are not tainted! You Can say same about lots clubs, at end day money talks and it wont cost us no more than any other club to buy players nor will it put off players coming here! Players go where wanted or get better deal! As for rebrand Liverpool/Leeds both rebranded before they were big! didn't do long term damage did it?

The Leeds re brand is still living memory for their older fans, not sure about the Liverpool ones, unless some of them are in their 130's or 40's?

Liverpool was done by shankly just after he took over we beat them 4-0 in old 2nd div!
The rest is history!

Interesting, but in what way did Bill Shankly re brand Liverpool, just after he took over?

The Shankly re brand of Liverpool was changing their white shorts and white socks to red shorts and red socks so the whole kit was red, hardly a dramatic rebrand

No we are not tainted! You Can say same about lots clubs, at end day money talks and it wont cost us no more than any other club to buy players nor will it put off players coming here! Players go where wanted or get better deal! As for rebrand Liverpool/Leeds both rebranded before they were big! didn't do long term damage did it?

The Leeds re brand is still living memory for their older fans, not sure about the Liverpool ones, unless some of them are in their 130's or 40's?

Liverpool was done by shankly just after he took over we beat them 4-0 in old 2nd div!
The rest is history!

Interesting, but in what way did Bill Shankly re brand Liverpool, just after he took over?

The Shankly re brand of Liverpool was changing their white shorts and white socks to red shorts and red socks so the whole kit was red, hardly a dramatic rebrand

What Bill Shankly did change when he arrived at Liverpool was the playing culture, ethos & philosophy,, from the management & right down through to the team. He started the "boot room" of management progression.

I'm no Liverpool fan, but Shankly was a great example of how to manage a football club, & how to develop a footballing teams philosophy that didn't know how to loose.