hate to say it but the jacks are leaving us behind

Swansea are now a mid table to top 8 premiership side ...what have they done that the city haven't. ?....mmmmmmm
1. Signex players who fit into their formation
2 have a decent European scouting system
3 not got a jerk as a manager
4 seem to have a consistent game plan
?...............hate to say it but how can this small town club put us to shame

Yes but they are still dirty Jacks. Dont worry about it!!

All starts from those in power.

These threads make me laugh. If you know anything about football it should be that things can change quickly
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So what's its to us? As blue says things change very quikely in football!

So what's its to us? As blue says things change very quikely in football!

Would Swansea have said they are where they are some years ago?

Quite a few years ago id have not said we would have been where we were either.

uote="pembroke allan"]So what is it to us? As blue says things change very quikely in football!

Would Swansea have said they are where they are some years ago?

Quite a few years ago id have not said we would have been where we were either.[/quote]


No they wouldn't as by luck and administration they were able to re organise from fresh! We didnt have such luxury and we have had a fantastic time Wembley premier ect, but also bad times as well as tan!!

Leaving us behind left us behind is a bit more accurate I think

Dont fuckin say it then.

Yes things can change very quickly but to be fair it could change for the worse for us also. We are now a team who looks set for another mid table finish next season, while they can push on and get into Europe. The truth is, they started a philosophy at the team, a style of play which runs down through the youth. While we don't seem to know our elbow from our arse

It's just their time, why so concerned? , Things don't stay rosey for long.

They are clearly better than us, there is no denying it.

But it really isn't that lobsided.

We are polar opposites in terms of how the club is run.

The debt and tan apart I think we have more going for us. Our fan base would be massive if we had their success.

I think they have peaked.

Swansea are now a mid table to top 8 premiership side ...what have they done that the city haven't. ?....mmmmmmm
1. Signex players who fit into their formation
2 have a decent European scouting system
3 not got a jerk as a manager
4 seem to have a consistent game plan
?...............hate to say it but how can this small town club put us to shame

Or more to the point, what have city done that the jacks haven't?

1. Whored yourselves out to the highest bidder.
2. Sold your soul to the devil to have what the jacks had.
3. Willingly traded your identity for a pot full of gold.
4. Basically got what you deserved.

Always looking for a quick fix are Cardiff. You will never learn, and that is why we are still living the dream whilst Cardiff languish in the lower leagues.

unless we are playing them who cares.

Wigan won an FA Cup and now ply their trade in League One

"They have peaked" has been a phrase used year on year unfortunately. In reality, the sky is the limit for them, well over 100 million a year income, global profile, worldwide growing fanbase and a brand most clubs dream of. This is all the things every club outside the Premier League should aspire to be. They are there for the long haul, make no mistake. These wishful comparisons to clubs that have been and gone in the Premier League is redundant really, there has never been a club with such solid foundations before and added to the sky money going through the roof it is no coincidence they are set up right behind the big boys - they have the best building blocks of all the Premier League clubs and are being sent gold bricks and mortar by SKY every year to strengthen.

Southampton are a much more vibrant proposition for long term Premier League success than our neighbors down west.

They have a much more successful academy system, that has proved itself with the trophy won by their U21 side this year. At least five players from that side have played first team football this season. They have self-financed their team building through the enormous income earned from selling international calibre home produced players, such as, Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Shaw and Lallana. The sales of Allen and Davies pale into insignificance when compared. How many academy products have represented Swansea this season?

Southampton have a much bigger stadium, larger catchment area and are situated in a more affluent area of the country.

Swansea will need to continue to recruit from within the Premier League and foreign shores, prices and wageswill continue to rise as will expectations. The current owners will be looking to cash in on their success at some point. The garden is not as today as some would like to paint, including Jack fans who like to pose as Bluebirds!

Southampton are a much more vibrant proposition for long term Premier League success than our neighbors down west.

They have a much more successful academy system, that has proved itself with the trophy won by their U21 side this year. At least five players from that side have played first team football this season. They have self-financed their team building through the enormous income earned from selling international calibre home produced players, such as, Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Shaw and Lallana. The sales of Allen and Davies pale into insignificance when compared. How many academy products have represented Swansea this season?

Southampton have a much bigger stadium, larger catchment area and are situated in a more affluent area of the country.

Swansea will need to continue to recruit from within the Premier League and foreign shores, prices and wageswill continue to rise as will expectations. The current owners will be looking to cash in on their success at some point. The garden is not as today as some would like to paint, including Jack fans who like to pose as Bluebirds!

"Bigger, vibrant, catchment area, enormous, affluent, larger" etc etc. Throw "Capital" in and you've got the complete Cardiffians dictionary. And yet going into the penultimate game of the season there's only 1 solitary point between ourselves and Southampton. Not to mention 23 places above our mighty capital.

Southampton are a much more vibrant proposition for long term Premier League success than our neighbors down west.

They have a much more successful academy system, that has proved itself with the trophy won by their U21 side this year. At least five players from that side have played first team football this season. They have self-financed their team building through the enormous income earned from selling international calibre home produced players, such as, Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Shaw and Lallana. The sales of Allen and Davies pale into insignificance when compared. How many academy products have represented Swansea this season?

Southampton have a much bigger stadium, larger catchment area and are situated in a more affluent area of the country.

Swansea will need to continue to recruit from within the Premier League and foreign shores, prices and wageswill continue to rise as will expectations. The current owners will be looking to cash in on their success at some point. The garden is not as today as some would like to paint, including Jack fans who like to pose as Bluebirds!

"Bigger, vibrant, catchment area, enormous, affluent, larger" etc etc. Throw "Capital" in and you've got the complete Cardiffians dictionary. And yet going into the penultimate game of the season there's only 1 solitary point between ourselves and Southampton. Not to mention 23 places above our mighty capital.

A clever diversion of the points made to focus attention back on Cardiff, even though I didn't compare the two clubs in my post. It is self-evident that you are currently in much healthier state than our club.
However, you failed miserably to answer the underlying question with regard to long term Premier League success when compared to Southampton.

My post was made with regard to the assertation by JackWills that Swansea were the best positioned club in the Premier League to exploit the recent windfall in cash from the television companies.

If I was a Southampton fan I would consider my club to be in a better position than Swansea. They are the real model for most clubs in the Championship, foreign owner included.

Southampton are a much more vibrant proposition for long term Premier League success than our neighbors down west.

They have a much more successful academy system, that has proved itself with the trophy won by their U21 side this year. At least five players from that side have played first team football this season. They have self-financed their team building through the enormous income earned from selling international calibre home produced players, such as, Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Shaw and Lallana. The sales of Allen and Davies pale into insignificance when compared. How many academy products have represented Swansea this season?

Southampton have a much bigger stadium, larger catchment area and are situated in a more affluent area of the country.

Swansea will need to continue to recruit from within the Premier League and foreign shores, prices and wageswill continue to rise as will expectations. The current owners will be looking to cash in on their success at some point. The garden is not as today as some would like to paint, including Jack fans who like to pose as Bluebirds!

Then we disagree completely.

Swansea are the only Premier League club for a radius of what? 150 miles in all directions? You don't get much more of a catchment area than that. Im not sure what being in a more affluent area of the country has to do with anything, look at Liverpool. Wages rise but only if it fits in with their system, if it doesn't then wages don't rise. This is what I mean by their set up. Southampton have one of the best academy records in Europe not just the UK, the envy of UK clubs.

Was it Howe who also suggested on Sky Sports last week that Swansea were the role model for all clubs now? And he is, of course, correct. Southampton are right up there for my money, sure... - but they don't have brand identity. A new manager could change the style of play and type of personnel in an instant, not to mention their "difficult" financial position as their owners earlier put it. There is a gnats follicle width between them on the field, but academy aside - Swansea still ahead of even Southampton when it comes to foundation. Of that I have no qualms in admitting.

Southampton are a much more vibrant proposition for long term Premier League success than our neighbors down west.

They have a much more successful academy system, that has proved itself with the trophy won by their U21 side this year. At least five players from that side have played first team football this season. They have self-financed their team building through the enormous income earned from selling international calibre home produced players, such as, Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Shaw and Lallana. The sales of Allen and Davies pale into insignificance when compared. How many academy products have represented Swansea this season?

Southampton have a much bigger stadium, larger catchment area and are situated in a more affluent area of the country.

Swansea will need to continue to recruit from within the Premier League and foreign shores, prices and wageswill continue to rise as will expectations. The current owners will be looking to cash in on their success at some point. The garden is not as today as some would like to paint, including Jack fans who like to pose as Bluebirds!

Then we disagree completely.

Swansea are the only Premier League club for a radius of what? 150 miles in all directions? You don't get much more of a catchment area than that. Im not sure what being in a more affluent area of the country has to do with anything, look at Liverpool. Wages rise but only if it fits in with their system, if it doesn't then wages don't rise. This is what I mean by their set up. Southampton have one of the best academy records in Europe not just the UK, the envy of UK clubs.

Was it Howe who also suggested on Sky Sports last week that Swansea were the role model for all clubs now? And he is, of course, correct. Southampton are right up there for my money, sure... - but they don't have brand identity. A new manager could change the style of play and type of personnel in an instant, not to mention their "difficult" financial position as their owners earlier put it. There is a gnats follicle width between them on the field, but academy aside - Swansea still ahead of even Southampton when it comes to foundation. Of that I have no qualms in admitting.

Of course you have no qualms admitting. Youre a jack.

Just a realist.

Surprise! Suprise! Eddie Howe the manager of Bournemouth does not choose Southampton as the model club for establishing a successful Premier League team. I will give you the benefit of the doubt JackWills and accept you have declined to recognise geographical tribal allegiances. It would be like a newly promoted manger of Cardiff suggesting that Swansea would be an appropriate example to follow.

So Eddie chooses Swansea as a model to follow, I wonder why? A small town club, with a small stadium and moderate support in the shadow of larger metropolitan teams like Southampton and Portsmouth with a hard core traditional following with a rich history of support whatever league they perform in. A club with a limited prospects of attracting supporters from these areas of traditional support and little prospect of developing an academy to match their local rivals.

(Tan DID say Swansea were the example to follow) and also Steve Bruce and Jamie Carragher and a whole host of others no doubt. Im not entirely sure what you are getting your knickers in a twist about. Me and many others think there is nobody better equip than them, outside of the big guns, to take advantage of the mega bucks and are proving it... You think Southampton are. Great. Its very close.

Whether they are the best or second best - doesnt really detract from the point that they are probably now there for the long haul.