Big Gwyns dig at Cardiff City trust

Taken from his Facebook.

Big Gwyn wrote at some point on Mon
Only at Cardiff City, we now have the supporters Trust (who represent incidentally around less than 300 households in the world),demanding to know the clubs business plans as they have concerns about us loaning out and off loading some of our biggest earners.
Is this the same Trust who were saying we should reduce the debt, be more financially prudent etc etc and stand on our own two feet and be self sufficient, their Treasurer was on message boards the other week saying it will be the first year he hasn't bought a season ticket, yet he now wants to know why we are letting players on 40 grand a week go out at a time when they can be of little real use to us anyway.
Perhaps the Trust should offer to pay his wages and we can bring him back then. You couldn't make it up.

Taken from his Facebook.

Big Gwyn wrote at some point on Mon
Only at Cardiff City, we now have the supporters Trust (who represent incidentally around less than 300 households in the world),demanding to know the clubs business plans as they have concerns about us loaning out and off loading some of our biggest earners.
Is this the same Trust who were saying we should reduce the debt, be more financially prudent etc etc and stand on our own two feet and be self sufficient, their Treasurer was on message boards the other week saying it will be the first year he hasn't bought a season ticket, yet he now wants to know why we are letting players on 40 grand a week go out at a time when they can be of little real use to us anyway.
Perhaps the Trust should offer to pay his wages and we can bring him back then. You couldn't make it up.

I agree with Gwyn,seems Like they want it always ,the club in the last fan's meeting said its plan s to return to blue,New badge and become more sustainability run ,nothing has changed

They might only represent a few hundred but who does Gwyn represent?

They might only represent a few hundred but who does Gwyn represent?

Does he have too represent anyone?

Taken from his Facebook.

Big Gwyn wrote at some point on Mon
Only at Cardiff City, we now have the supporters Trust (who represent incidentally around less than 300 households in the world),demanding to know the clubs business plans as they have concerns about us loaning out and off loading some of our biggest earners.
Is this the same Trust who were saying we should reduce the debt, be more financially prudent etc etc and stand on our own two feet and be self sufficient, their Treasurer was on message boards the other week saying it will be the first year he hasn't bought a season ticket, yet he now wants to know why we are letting players on 40 grand a week go out at a time when they can be of little real use to us anyway.
Perhaps the Trust should offer to pay his wages and we can bring him back then. You couldn't make it up.

I guess it's fashionable to have a pop at Gwyn on here but to my eyes he's bang on the money with this one

Gwynns correct.
I liken the trust to the libdems, no f_cker voted for them and they want a seat at the top table ffs. Jokers

Just another know it all Cardiff fan mouthing off again. (The trust guy)

Taken from his Facebook.

Big Gwyn wrote at some point on Mon
Only at Cardiff City, we now have the supporters Trust (who represent incidentally around less than 300 households in the world),demanding to know the clubs business plans as they have concerns about us loaning out and off loading some of our biggest earners.
Is this the same Trust who were saying we should reduce the debt, be more financially prudent etc etc and stand on our own two feet and be self sufficient, their Treasurer was on message boards the other week saying it will be the first year he hasn't bought a season ticket, yet he now wants to know why we are letting players on 40 grand a week go out at a time when they can be of little real use to us anyway.
Perhaps the Trust should offer to pay his wages and we can bring him back then. You couldn't make it up.

He's bang on

Spot on Gwyn

This is our support as a whole, never happy. Demand one thing and when that is being done, demand the opposite. It's tiresome and no wonder the club don't make much of an attempt to placate fans any more as they cannot win whatever they do.

We should simply support the team.

Taken from his Facebook.

Big Gwyn wrote at some point on Mon
Only at Cardiff City, we now have the supporters Trust (who represent incidentally around less than 300 households in the world),demanding to know the clubs business plans as they have concerns about us loaning out and off loading some of our biggest earners.
Is this the same Trust who were saying we should reduce the debt, be more financially prudent etc etc and stand on our own two feet and be self sufficient, their Treasurer was on message boards the other week saying it will be the first year he hasn't bought a season ticket, yet he now wants to know why we are letting players on 40 grand a week go out at a time when they can be of little real use to us anyway.
Perhaps the Trust should offer to pay his wages and we can bring him back then. You couldn't make it up.

Ah! but has he got his shovel out yet.After that little bit of sillyness' i think our Gwyn should keep his head down for a few years.

They might only represent a few hundred but who does Gwyn represent?

Does he have too represent anyone?

He's attended meetings with the club and lobbied the club on issues when he doesn't represent anyone so why shouldn't the trust do the same when they at least represent some fans?

Is this the same Gwyn that voted red? The same Gwyn who was the big mug after Black Friday. Half the problem with our fanbase is that we have far too many supporters groups and so called fan leaders.

He is spot on though.....

What would happen if the club come out and say. All the big earners are going, we are consolidating for four to five years, trying to get some bargains and give one or two of our academy kids a go ?
We are not going to convert the debt to equity, ever.


What would the 300 members of the trust do ? Not renew, give up ?

This is a commercial enterprise, don't go if you lose the faith or you just don't enjoy it anymore.

If there is a fan on the board my vote as a supporter would go to Vince or any other member of the supporters club as they help me.

He is spot on though.....

What would happen if the club come out and say. All the big earners are going, we are consolidating for four to five years, trying to get some bargains and give one or two of our academy kids a go ?
We are not going to convert the debt to equity, ever.


What would the 300 members of the trust do ? Not renew, give up ?

This is a commercial enterprise, don't go if you lose the faith or you just don't enjoy it anymore.

If there is a fan on the board my vote as a supporter would go to Vince or any other member of the supporters club as they help me.

But Gwyn is not "spot on" as he has deliberately misled people as to what the Trust statement says. If people would just read it for themselves rather than just take Gwyn`s word they would clearly see that.

What fans would do if the club came up with responses that you suggest is entirely up to each and every fan individually. All the Trust is asking for (read the statement) is for the club to be open about it so that fans have that opportunity to form a view - both in terms of whether they feel the club has lied to them in the past about the conversion of the debt to shares and whether the future strategy makes sense for the long term future of the club rather than just a short term "fix".

I personally believe that the club`s directors have a legal (Companies Act and Insolvency Act)and moral duty as UK company directors to make sure the debt conversion takes place. I also personally believe that a short period of a few seasons of austerity at the club is a price worth paying (in terms of a lack of great success on the pitch) to ensure that the club has a good , long term , stable future in the longer term.

He is spot on though.....

What would happen if the club come out and say. All the big earners are going, we are consolidating for four to five years, trying to get some bargains and give one or two of our academy kids a go ?
We are not going to convert the debt to equity, ever.


What would the 300 members of the trust do ? Not renew, give up ?

This is a commercial enterprise, don't go if you lose the faith or you just don't enjoy it anymore.

If there is a fan on the board my vote as a supporter would go to Vince or any other member of the supporters club as they help me.

But Gwyn is not "spot on" as he has deliberately misled people as to what the Trust statement says. If people would just read it for themselves rather than just take Gwyn`s word they would clearly see that.

What fans would do if the club came up with responses that you suggest is entirely up to each and every fan individually. All the Trust is asking for (read the statement) is for the club to be open about it so that fans have that opportunity to form a view - both in terms of whether they feel the club has lied to them in the past about the conversion of the debt to shares and whether the future strategy makes sense for the long term future of the club rather than just a short term "fix".

I personally believe that the club`s directors have a legal (Companies Act and Insolvency Act)and moral duty as UK company directors to make sure the debt conversion takes place. I also personally believe that a short period of a few seasons of austerity at the club is a price worth paying (in terms of a lack of great success on the pitch) to ensure that the club has a good , long term , stable future in the longer term.

but didn't the club already answer the trust and other s at the return to blue fans meetings recently ? Do the trust want statement every couple of weeks from the club ?

Taken from his Facebook.

Big Gwyn wrote at some point on Mon
Only at Cardiff City, we now have the supporters Trust (who represent incidentally around less than 300 households in the world),demanding to know the clubs business plans as they have concerns about us loaning out and off loading some of our biggest earners.
Is this the same Trust who were saying we should reduce the debt, be more financially prudent etc etc and stand on our own two feet and be self sufficient, their Treasurer was on message boards the other week saying it will be the first year he hasn't bought a season ticket, yet he now wants to know why we are letting players on 40 grand a week go out at a time when they can be of little real use to us anyway.
Perhaps the Trust should offer to pay his wages and we can bring him back then. You couldn't make it up.

I agree with gwyn he's rite eitherway, the trust has never interested me for such reason as they contradict themselves over and over. The worst in when they put out minutes of a meeting with ZERO real answers in them to questions asked as tan is not there to answer them only minions who say we will ask tan ect

He is spot on though.....

What would happen if the club come out and say. All the big earners are going, we are consolidating for four to five years, trying to get some bargains and give one or two of our academy kids a go ?
We are not going to convert the debt to equity, ever.


What would the 300 members of the trust do ? Not renew, give up ?

This is a commercial enterprise, don't go if you lose the faith or you just don't enjoy it anymore.

If there is a fan on the board my vote as a supporter would go to Vince or any other member of the supporters club as they help me.

But Gwyn is not "spot on" as he has deliberately misled people as to what the Trust statement says. If people would just read it for themselves rather than just take Gwyn`s word they would clearly see that.

What fans would do if the club came up with responses that you suggest is entirely up to each and every fan individually. All the Trust is asking for (read the statement) is for the club to be open about it so that fans have that opportunity to form a view - both in terms of whether they feel the club has lied to them in the past about the conversion of the debt to shares and whether the future strategy makes sense for the long term future of the club rather than just a short term "fix".

I personally believe that the club`s directors have a legal (Companies Act and Insolvency Act)and moral duty as UK company directors to make sure the debt conversion takes place. I also personally believe that a short period of a few seasons of austerity at the club is a price worth paying (in terms of a lack of great success on the pitch) to ensure that the club has a good , long term , stable future in the longer term.

but didn't the club already answer the trust and other s at the return to blue fans meetings recently ? Do the trust want statement every couple of weeks from the club ?

No they didn't Wez. That meeting,quite rightly, focused solely on the return to blue

Taken from his Facebook.

Big Gwyn wrote at some point on Mon
Only at Cardiff City, we now have the supporters Trust (who represent incidentally around less than 300 households in the world),demanding to know the clubs business plans as they have concerns about us loaning out and off loading some of our biggest earners.
Is this the same Trust who were saying we should reduce the debt, be more financially prudent etc etc and stand on our own two feet and be self sufficient, their Treasurer was on message boards the other week saying it will be the first year he hasn't bought a season ticket, yet he now wants to know why we are letting players on 40 grand a week go out at a time when they can be of little real use to us anyway.
Perhaps the Trust should offer to pay his wages and we can bring him back then. You couldn't make it up.

I agree with gwyn he's rite eitherway, the trust has never interested me for such reason as they contradict themselves over and over. The worst in when they put out minutes of a meeting with ZERO real answers in them to questions asked as tan is not there to answer them only minions who say we will ask tan ect

But as I clearly set out in this thread Gwyn is not right because his Twitter feed deliberately misleads people as to what the Trust statement says. It is freely available to read in full on both the Trust website and Mike Morris' messageboard?If you read it you will see that Gwyn is far from right or truthful in what he says

As usual Gwyn is spot on.

As usual Gwyn is spot on.

Here is the Trusts statement:

This season promised so much at Cardiff City but has sadly delivered very little with the only real positive the return to blue.
In recent times players have been suddenly loaned out for what we have been told are business reasons while other players have departed permanently to reduce the wage bill.
We fully appreciate the need for the club to operate on a more sustainable footing in the future following heavy investment by the owner, Vincent Tan, in recent years.
But, as fans we deserve a detailed explanation on the way forward for our club a vision on where Cardiff City will be in a year, three years and five years. The club needs to be open and state clearly what its ideas are for rebuilding. Are there plans, for instance, to dispose of more of our more high profile players in the run-up to the new season?
We fear that without a blueprint for the future loyal fans, many of whom have been season ticket holders for years, will just stop coming to games and attendances will dwindle further next season. Fans have told us they are concerned about the quality of football this season.
Cardiff City has to become a club where everyone is pulling together and fans need to have hope that things will get better sooner rather than later.
The club has started a process of re-engagement with fans after the rebranding and we acknowledge the return to blue and the development of a new badge. But it is our belief that the owner and senior executives need to go much further and quicken the pace.
We are disappointed at the lack of promised fans' forums and Russell Slade's apparent reluctance to meet with the fans. There also still seems no date when the club's enormous debt will be converted into equity and members are asking us what has happened to the money from the Premier League season and parachute payments.
The re-engagement with fans should include having an elected supporter director on the board, to act as a powerful voice for ordinary fans, as soon as possible. This must not be allowed to drift if fans are not to be disillusioned further with a continuance of what some see as a separation between the club and its supporters.
Without supporters once again feeling that Cardiff City is their club, we fear, as stated, that many fans will just stay away.
Therefore, we invite the club to keep its supporters and the Trust fully informed of its plans and to take every opportunity to make constructive use of the goodwill and the desire to help which undoubtedly exists.

I don't see anywhere where the Trust is "demanding" anything. All they are saying is that the fans "deserve" an explanation.

To me this is another subject that Davies has a bee in his bonnet about so has reverted to his favourite tactic of twisting things to suit his agenda. You say he is spot on, I say he has misled you.

As usual Gwyn is spot on.

Here is the Trusts statement:

This season promised so much at Cardiff City but has sadly delivered very little with the only real positive the return to blue.
In recent times players have been suddenly loaned out for what we have been told are business reasons while other players have departed permanently to reduce the wage bill.
We fully appreciate the need for the club to operate on a more sustainable footing in the future following heavy investment by the owner, Vincent Tan, in recent years.
But, as fans we deserve a detailed explanation on the way forward for our club a vision on where Cardiff City will be in a year, three years and five years. The club needs to be open and state clearly what its ideas are for rebuilding. Are there plans, for instance, to dispose of more of our more high profile players in the run-up to the new season?
We fear that without a blueprint for the future loyal fans, many of whom have been season ticket holders for years, will just stop coming to games and attendances will dwindle further next season. Fans have told us they are concerned about the quality of football this season.
Cardiff City has to become a club where everyone is pulling together and fans need to have hope that things will get better sooner rather than later.
The club has started a process of re-engagement with fans after the rebranding and we acknowledge the return to blue and the development of a new badge. But it is our belief that the owner and senior executives need to go much further and quicken the pace.
We are disappointed at the lack of promised fans' forums and Russell Slade's apparent reluctance to meet with the fans. There also still seems no date when the club's enormous debt will be converted into equity and members are asking us what has happened to the money from the Premier League season and parachute payments.
The re-engagement with fans should include having an elected supporter director on the board, to act as a powerful voice for ordinary fans, as soon as possible. This must not be allowed to drift if fans are not to be disillusioned further with a continuance of what some see as a separation between the club and its supporters.
Without supporters once again feeling that Cardiff City is their club, we fear, as stated, that many fans will just stay away.
Therefore, we invite the club to keep its supporters and the Trust fully informed of its plans and to take every opportunity to make constructive use of the goodwill and the desire to help which undoubtedly exists.

I don't see anywhere where the Trust is "demanding" anything. All they are saying is that the fans "deserve" an explanation.

To me this is another subject that Davies has a bee in his bonnet about so has reverted to his favourite tactic of twisting things to suit his agenda. You say he is spot on, I say he has misled you.

I was never focused on the word demand. Now I have read the full statement I still think it's a pile of shit.

As usual Gwyn is spot on.

You are joking aren't you ? As Tan STILL hasn't turned debt into shares then he's 2/3 years too late to start claiming the wall!!!, did he ever wave his THAILAND flag ?

As usual Gwyn is spot on.

You are joking aren't you ? As Tan STILL hasn't turned debt into shares then he's 2/3 years too late to start claiming the wall!!!, did he ever wave his THAILAND flag ?

We are back in blue so there is no requirement for the debt to equity as far as I'm concerned.

Gwyn was wrong about 20000 season tickets being sold if we went back to blue though.

As usual Gwyn is spot on.

You are joking aren't you ? As Tan STILL hasn't turned debt into shares then he's 2/3 years too late to start claiming the wall!!!, did he ever wave his THAILAND flag ?

We are back in blue so there is no requirement for the debt to equity as far as I'm concerned.

Gwyn was wrong about 20000 season tickets being sold if we went back to blue though.

Gwyn stated 6 months and that was over 3.5 years ago!!! Is being out by nearly 3 years counts for him being correct then does it ? Pmsl

I have no interest with the Cardiff City Trust, but I can't see anything wrong with the questions they have asked. I think most supporters would like to know what the owner has in mind for the club, and what his 3 or 5 year vision is. Does he intend giving Slade the resources to make a strong push for promotion next season, or are the next few years just about consolidation, and surviving in the Championship until perhaps a new owner comes on board. After all, the statement made yesterday stating the board are fully committed to the long term success of the club tell us nothing. What board aren't fully committed to the long term success of a business. I don't think the club can expect a rush of supporters looking to buy season tickets if they don't at least give some indication as to their short term and longer term ambitions for the club. Personally, I suspect the number one priority is to try and retain championship status while spending as little as possible, allowing Tan to get some of his investment back before trying to sell the club. We all have our personal views, but it would be nice to hear something of substance from the people at the top.

As usual Gwyn is spot on.

You are joking aren't you ? As Tan STILL hasn't turned debt into shares then he's 2/3 years too late to start claiming the wall!!!, did he ever wave his THAILAND flag ?

We are back in blue so there is no requirement for the debt to equity as far as I'm concerned.

Gwyn was wrong about 20000 season tickets being sold if we went back to blue though.

Gwyn stated 6 months and that was over 3.5 years ago!!! Is being out by nearly 3 years counts for him being correct then does it ? Pmsl

Gwyn denies he ever said that.

I have no interest with the Cardiff City Trust, but I can't see anything wrong with the questions they have asked. I think most supporters would like to know what the owner has in mind for the club, and what his 3 or 5 year vision is. Does he intend giving Slade the resources to make a strong push for promotion next season, or are the next few years just about consolidation, and surviving in the Championship until perhaps a new owner comes on board. After all, the statement made yesterday stating the board are fully committed to the long term success of the club tell us nothing. What board aren't fully committed to the long term success of a business. I don't think the club can expect a rush of supporters looking to buy season tickets if they don't at least give some indication as to their short term and longer term ambitions for the club. Personally, I suspect the number one priority is to try and retain championship status while spending as little as possible, allowing Tan to get some of his investment back before trying to sell the club. We all have our personal views, but it would be nice to hear something of substance from the people at the top.

When tan speaks it's said he should be quiet. When he's quiet it's said he should talk. It's typical of our fans and the way they are with Tan. Can't do right for doing wrong.

I have no interest with the Cardiff City Trust, but I can't see anything wrong with the questions they have asked. I think most supporters would like to know what the owner has in mind for the club, and what his 3 or 5 year vision is. Does he intend giving Slade the resources to make a strong push for promotion next season, or are the next few years just about consolidation, and surviving in the Championship until perhaps a new owner comes on board. After all, the statement made yesterday stating the board are fully committed to the long term success of the club tell us nothing. What board aren't fully committed to the long term success of a business. I don't think the club can expect a rush of supporters looking to buy season tickets if they don't at least give some indication as to their short term and longer term ambitions for the club. Personally, I suspect the number one priority is to try and retain championship status while spending as little as possible, allowing Tan to get some of his investment back before trying to sell the club. We all have our personal views, but it would be nice to hear something of substance from the people at the top.

When tan speaks it's said he should be quiet. When he's quiet it's said he should talk. It's typical of our fans and the way they are with Tan. Can't do right for doing wrong.

You should start a Vincent Tan fan club, you don't half love the fella