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torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:20 am

There goes another blow to my cashflow plans. Another reason for me to prioritise my expenses. #childbenefit

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:19 am

blue lagoon wrote:There goes another blow to my cashflow plans. Another reason for me to prioritise my expenses. #childbenefit


source? as far as i have heard they may move it into the universal credit, this is not the same as what you are claiming

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:44 am

Disgusting if they do.

Why is it that the ordinary people in Wales & Britain are made to pay for the mistakes of the Labour/ conservative & Libs & there mates who are benefitting from this austerity.

These so called political elite are eroding all the powers & privelages our forefathers so gallantly fought for.

Its about time we all stood together and got rid of these self serving parasites by force if necessary who have ruined our country.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:57 am

jhippno wrote:
blue lagoon wrote:There goes another blow to my cashflow plans. Another reason for me to prioritise my expenses. #childbenefit


source? as far as i have heard they may move it into the universal credit, this is not the same as what you are claiming


the seed is out there and they are not denying it. Worrying if true!!!!

Google child benefit or #childbenefit on twitter

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:05 pm

Should only be available for first two children.

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:14 pm

maccydee wrote:Should only be available for first two children.


:thumbup:

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:27 pm

they have said they will limit it to 3 children iain duncan smith said.

quite right too. too many people in this country refuse to take responsibility for their finances and constantly want tax credits even if they are on £30k + salaries.

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:41 pm

SwampCCFC wrote:they have said they will limit it to 3 children iain duncan smith said.

quite right too. too many people in this country refuse to take responsibility for their finances and constantly want tax credits even if they are on £30k + salaries.


Yeah previously he said 2. That's much better.

What we need to stop is people having child after child living off benefits to get a bigger house and more money.

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:46 pm

maccydee wrote:
SwampCCFC wrote:they have said they will limit it to 3 children iain duncan smith said.

quite right too. too many people in this country refuse to take responsibility for their finances and constantly want tax credits even if they are on £30k + salaries.


Yeah previously he said 2. That's much better.

What we need to stop is people having child after child living off benefits to get a bigger house and more money.



right, but thats a different thing altogether. Child benefit might stop at 3 kids. But giving them rent/council tax on expensive properties to house their hoard wont

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:48 pm

paulh_85 wrote:
maccydee wrote:
SwampCCFC wrote:they have said they will limit it to 3 children iain duncan smith said.

quite right too. too many people in this country refuse to take responsibility for their finances and constantly want tax credits even if they are on £30k + salaries.


Yeah previously he said 2. That's much better.

What we need to stop is people having child after child living off benefits to get a bigger house and more money.



right, but thats a different thing altogether. Child benefit might stop at 3 kids. But giving them rent/council tax on expensive properties to house their hoard wont


All benefits would be 3 kids maximum including larger house.

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:49 pm

maccydee wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
maccydee wrote:
SwampCCFC wrote:they have said they will limit it to 3 children iain duncan smith said.

quite right too. too many people in this country refuse to take responsibility for their finances and constantly want tax credits even if they are on £30k + salaries.


Yeah previously he said 2. That's much better.

What we need to stop is people having child after child living off benefits to get a bigger house and more money.



right, but thats a different thing altogether. Child benefit might stop at 3 kids. But giving them rent/council tax on expensive properties to house their hoard wont


All benefits would be 3 kids maximum including larger house.



then thats fair enough. Youd hope it would make people think twice

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:56 pm

blue lagoon wrote:There goes another blow to my cashflow plans. Another reason for me to prioritise my expenses. #childbenefit


Not True :thumbright:

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:19 pm

Another wild accusation from Labour party. When asked he said, if they intended to do that it would have been already included in the Universal Credit system.

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:23 pm

If they do it's about time, why should I pay my taxes to help bring up other peoples children!

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:45 pm

Nah that won't happen .The human rights barristers will come up with something to block that one! Realistically it should be limited to 2 children.

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:09 pm

abergblue wrote:Another wild accusation from Labour party. When asked he said, if they intended to do that it would have been already included in the Universal Credit system.



Im hearing the universal credit system will cover child benefit. Time bomb! !!! Should be limited to 2 kids.

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:24 pm

Should be limited to British citizen only and you can't claim for children who don't even live in this country

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:39 pm

It should be limited to 2 IMO

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:51 am

If you took away benefits for having more than 2 children would you see a decrease in the average number of kids people have? Do people really consider that when they have kids or do they just have them? A lot of people seem to worry about problems as they hit them not before. :?:

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:58 am

lyndipops wrote:If you took away benefits for having more than 2 children would you see a decrease in the average number of kids people have? Do people really consider that when they have kids or do they just have them? A lot of people seem to worry about problems as they hit them not before. :?:


It is a good way to make sure that already disadvantaged children are substantially more disadvantaged.

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:59 am

lyndipops wrote:If you took away benefits for having more than 2 children would you see a decrease in the average number of kids people have? Do people really consider that when they have kids or do they just have them? A lot of people seem to worry about problems as they hit them not before. :?:


It's a fact that some out there have kids to get a house and then more kids to get more money and a bigger house. This is madness when some people can't afford to have kids.

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:06 pm

blue lagoon wrote:There goes another blow to my cashflow plans. Another reason for me to prioritise my expenses. #childbenefit


Do you have a link? Haven't heard this anywhere else.

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:28 pm

Everything should be limited to two, that's a reasonable number and if you want more fair enough but understand that benefits housing and tax credits are limited to the norm...........

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:06 pm

maccydee wrote:
lyndipops wrote:If you took away benefits for having more than 2 children would you see a decrease in the average number of kids people have? Do people really consider that when they have kids or do they just have them? A lot of people seem to worry about problems as they hit them not before. :?:


It's a fact that some out there have kids to get a house and then more kids to get more money and a bigger house. This is madness when some people can't afford to have kids.


So what is the point of the policy? To discourage these specific parents from having more children? A great idea if it succeeds, but if it doesn't we are just left with more disadvantaged children. I feel that we as a country have a shared responsibility to give all children born here a basic standard of living. It obviously sucks that some parents utilise their children to afford them an easy work-free life but is that a good enough reason to plunge those innocent children into poverty, whilst probably perpetuating this specific cycle.

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:59 pm

evanmorgan wrote:
maccydee wrote:
lyndipops wrote:If you took away benefits for having more than 2 children would you see a decrease in the average number of kids people have? Do people really consider that when they have kids or do they just have them? A lot of people seem to worry about problems as they hit them not before. :?:


It's a fact that some out there have kids to get a house and then more kids to get more money and a bigger house. This is madness when some people can't afford to have kids.


So what is the point of the policy? To discourage these specific parents from having more children? A great idea if it succeeds, but if it doesn't we are just left with more disadvantaged children. I feel that we as a country have a shared responsibility to give all children born here a basic standard of living. It obviously sucks that some parents utilise their children to afford them an easy work-free life but is that a good enough reason to plunge those innocent children into poverty, whilst probably perpetuating this specific cycle.


you can have as many children as you want. nothing changes on that basis.

however, you also have to take responsibility as a parent and that means financial responsibility too. working families stick to the number of children they can reasonably afford so why should those reliant on the state for their existence get a better deal than them?

times are tough and unlimited child benefit is certainly one benefit that should be scrapped. even 3 children is quite generous. those that want more children can do so, but they must foot the bill, not the taxpayer. you can't get fairer than that.

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:54 pm

evanmorgan wrote:
maccydee wrote:
lyndipops wrote:If you took away benefits for having more than 2 children would you see a decrease in the average number of kids people have? Do people really consider that when they have kids or do they just have them? A lot of people seem to worry about problems as they hit them not before. :?:


It's a fact that some out there have kids to get a house and then more kids to get more money and a bigger house. This is madness when some people can't afford to have kids.


So what is the point of the policy? To discourage these specific parents from having more children? A great idea if it succeeds, but if it doesn't we are just left with more disadvantaged children. I feel that we as a country have a shared responsibility to give all children born here a basic standard of living. It obviously sucks that some parents utilise their children to afford them an easy work-free life but is that a good enough reason to plunge those innocent children into poverty, whilst probably perpetuating this specific cycle.


What's your answer then? Surely it should be on people to take ownership of their lives and not have children they can't afford?

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:06 pm

SwampCCFC wrote:
evanmorgan wrote:
maccydee wrote:
lyndipops wrote:If you took away benefits for having more than 2 children would you see a decrease in the average number of kids people have? Do people really consider that when they have kids or do they just have them? A lot of people seem to worry about problems as they hit them not before. :?:


It's a fact that some out there have kids to get a house and then more kids to get more money and a bigger house. This is madness when some people can't afford to have kids.


So what is the point of the policy? To discourage these specific parents from having more children? A great idea if it succeeds, but if it doesn't we are just left with more disadvantaged children. I feel that we as a country have a shared responsibility to give all children born here a basic standard of living. It obviously sucks that some parents utilise their children to afford them an easy work-free life but is that a good enough reason to plunge those innocent children into poverty, whilst probably perpetuating this specific cycle.


you can have as many children as you want. nothing changes on that basis.

however, you also have to take responsibility as a parent and that means financial responsibility too. working families stick to the number of children they can reasonably afford so why should those reliant on the state for their existence get a better deal than them?

times are tough and unlimited child benefit is certainly one benefit that should be scrapped. even 3 children is quite generous. those that want more children can do so, but they must foot the bill, not the taxpayer. you can't get fairer than that.


Spot on! I'd like to hear a rational argument against this post....

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:01 pm

SwampCCFC wrote:
evanmorgan wrote:
maccydee wrote:
lyndipops wrote:If you took away benefits for having more than 2 children would you see a decrease in the average number of kids people have? Do people really consider that when they have kids or do they just have them? A lot of people seem to worry about problems as they hit them not before. :?:


It's a fact that some out there have kids to get a house and then more kids to get more money and a bigger house. This is madness when some people can't afford to have kids.


So what is the point of the policy? To discourage these specific parents from having more children? A great idea if it succeeds, but if it doesn't we are just left with more disadvantaged children. I feel that we as a country have a shared responsibility to give all children born here a basic standard of living. It obviously sucks that some parents utilise their children to afford them an easy work-free life but is that a good enough reason to plunge those innocent children into poverty, whilst probably perpetuating this specific cycle.


you can have as many children as you want. nothing changes on that basis.

however, you also have to take responsibility as a parent and that means financial responsibility too. working families stick to the number of children they can reasonably afford so why should those reliant on the state for their existence get a better deal than them?

times are tough and unlimited child benefit is certainly one benefit that should be scrapped. even 3 children is quite generous. those that want more children can do so, but they must foot the bill, not the taxpayer. you can't get fairer than that.


So are we talking about all people who claim/receive child benefit or just the ones who are totally reliant on the state? That needs to be clarified first as your post is pretty ambiguous on this distinction.

No doubt it would be good if people who couldn't afford to have kids didn't have kids but I am not sure a policy like this will actually lead to the result you are looking for.

Times are tough? We all have smartphones and 30 inch flat screens. We are talking about kids who might not get dinner...

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:02 pm

maccydee wrote:
evanmorgan wrote:
maccydee wrote:
lyndipops wrote:If you took away benefits for having more than 2 children would you see a decrease in the average number of kids people have? Do people really consider that when they have kids or do they just have them? A lot of people seem to worry about problems as they hit them not before. :?:


It's a fact that some out there have kids to get a house and then more kids to get more money and a bigger house. This is madness when some people can't afford to have kids.


So what is the point of the policy? To discourage these specific parents from having more children? A great idea if it succeeds, but if it doesn't we are just left with more disadvantaged children. I feel that we as a country have a shared responsibility to give all children born here a basic standard of living. It obviously sucks that some parents utilise their children to afford them an easy work-free life but is that a good enough reason to plunge those innocent children into poverty, whilst probably perpetuating this specific cycle.


What's your answer then? Surely it should be on people to take ownership of their lives and not have children they can't afford?


Do you have children?

Re: torries to axe child benefit if they get in????

Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:25 pm

evanmorgan wrote:
maccydee wrote:
evanmorgan wrote:
maccydee wrote:
lyndipops wrote:If you took away benefits for having more than 2 children would you see a decrease in the average number of kids people have? Do people really consider that when they have kids or do they just have them? A lot of people seem to worry about problems as they hit them not before. :?:


It's a fact that some out there have kids to get a house and then more kids to get more money and a bigger house. This is madness when some people can't afford to have kids.


So what is the point of the policy? To discourage these specific parents from having more children? A great idea if it succeeds, but if it doesn't we are just left with more disadvantaged children. I feel that we as a country have a shared responsibility to give all children born here a basic standard of living. It obviously sucks that some parents utilise their children to afford them an easy work-free life but is that a good enough reason to plunge those innocent children into poverty, whilst probably perpetuating this specific cycle.


What's your answer then? Surely it should be on people to take ownership of their lives and not have children they can't afford?


Do you have children?


No, I am waiting until I can afford them as me and my wife both work so won't get any help.