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how can tan make it pay next season

Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:10 am

how can he balance the books with less than a third renewing season tickets...

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:25 am

krabb wrote:how can he balance the books with less than a third renewing season tickets...


a vicious circle, less fans means more aggressive cost cutting?

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:32 pm

People like to say (and Tan thinks so) that he is a succesful businessman. So succesful he has managed to wipe out 75% of his customer base at Cardiff City FC.
Clueless about management, marketing, customer care and budgeting.

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:42 pm

abergblue wrote:People like to say (and Tan thinks so) that he is a succesful businessman. So succesful he has managed to wipe out 75% of his customer base at Cardiff City FC.
Clueless about management, marketing, customer care and budgeting.




So people think 75% of fans not renuing can be blamed on tan? Mmm what about economics!, and many other factors that dictates if people can go? We have already heared lots on here say pick games they will go to next season, so they havnt left but being choosy! Where does 75%comes from? :thumbup:

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:59 pm

krabb wrote:how can he balance the books with less than a third renewing season tickets...


The season ticket sales are important for the finances of the club. However, the importance of the financial cost cutting cannot be under-estimated.

If you take Kenwyn jones as an example, at a reported salary of £35,000.00 plus bonuses plus employers national insurance contributions, the final cost of employing KJ is almost certainly in excess of £2 million per year.

With the lowest Season Ticket price being £345? it would take more than 5,500 renewals just to pay for him.

If you look at the number of players that are likely to be paid in excess of £15.000.00 plus add on's it really doesn't take many players to wipe out all of the Season ticket income (this is after the reported £12m savings already made).

Season ticket sales are of course a barometer of the fans feelings, the more fans that purchase tickets the better the club can plan it's finances and arrange transfer budgets etc.

In summary, if there were only 6,000 season tickets sold the club would probably only need to shift 5 or 6 players out for the status quo to remain financially.

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:23 pm

Clarityblue wrote:
krabb wrote:how can he balance the books with less than a third renewing season tickets...


The season ticket sales are important for the finances of the club. However, the importance of the financial cost cutting cannot be under-estimated.

If you take Kenwyn jones as an example, at a reported salary of £35,000.00 plus bonuses plus employers national insurance contributions, the final cost of employing KJ is almost certainly in excess of £2 million per year.

With the lowest Season Ticket price being £345? it would take more than 5,500 renewals just to pay for him.

If you look at the number of players that are likely to be paid in excess of £15.000.00 plus add on's it really doesn't take many players to wipe out all of the Season ticket income (this is after the reported £12m savings already made).

Season ticket sales are of course a barometer of the fans feelings, the more fans that purchase tickets the better the club can plan it's finances and arrange transfer budgets etc.

In summary, if there were only 6,000 season tickets sold the club would probably only need to shift 5 or 6 players out for the status quo to remain financially.


The last season (before this one)CCFC were in the Championship , the total income was £17.3m of which £6.2m was gate receipts and match day income. That was based on an average attendance figure of 23k. I know it is oversimplifying it (because match day advertisers etc wouldn`t pay as much if there is no-one there to see their adverts) but if no-one had turned up that season , in theory income would only have gone down by £6m.

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:09 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
abergblue wrote:People like to say (and Tan thinks so) that he is a succesful businessman. So succesful he has managed to wipe out 75% of his customer base at Cardiff City FC.
Clueless about management, marketing, customer care and budgeting.




So people think 75% of fans not renuing can be blamed on tan? Mmm what about economics!, and many other factors that dictates if people can go? We have already heared lots on here say pick games they will go to next season, so they havnt left but being choosy! Where does 75%comes from? :thumbup:



Season ticket sales are currently 2000 to 3500 (depending on who you listen to).
Last season they were over 10,000, maybe as high as 14,000. Therefore 75% of the customer base has disappeared.
Many say they will pick and choose? Who will pick a wet cold school night in February? So I would think some bigger games on a nice saturday at 3pm may increase the crowd, but not the unattractive games midweek.
Season ticket sales are the measure of support, and balancing the books (including selling advertising) so this is a serious problem for the club.

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:16 pm

ccfcsince62 wrote:
Clarityblue wrote:
krabb wrote:how can he balance the books with less than a third renewing season tickets...


The season ticket sales are important for the finances of the club. However, the importance of the financial cost cutting cannot be under-estimated.

If you take Kenwyn jones as an example, at a reported salary of £35,000.00 plus bonuses plus employers national insurance contributions, the final cost of employing KJ is almost certainly in excess of £2 million per year.

With the lowest Season Ticket price being £345? it would take more than 5,500 renewals just to pay for him.

If you look at the number of players that are likely to be paid in excess of £15.000.00 plus add on's it really doesn't take many players to wipe out all of the Season ticket income (this is after the reported £12m savings already made).

Season ticket sales are of course a barometer of the fans feelings, the more fans that purchase tickets the better the club can plan it's finances and arrange transfer budgets etc.

In summary, if there were only 6,000 season tickets sold the club would probably only need to shift 5 or 6 players out for the status quo to remain financially.


The last season (before this one)CCFC were in the Championship , the total income was £17.3m of which £6.2m was gate receipts and match day income. That was based on an average attendance figure of 23k. I know it is oversimplifying it (because match day advertisers etc wouldn`t pay as much if there is no-one there to see their adverts) but if no-one had turned up that season , in theory income would only have gone down by £6m.

but other income is effected,the shirt sales will hit the floor(again),the food companies will not pay anywhere near what they have in the past to be in the stadium..... :ayatollah:

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:45 pm

krabb wrote:
ccfcsince62 wrote:
Clarityblue wrote:
krabb wrote:how can he balance the books with less than a third renewing season tickets...


The season ticket sales are important for the finances of the club. However, the importance of the financial cost cutting cannot be under-estimated.

If you take Kenwyn jones as an example, at a reported salary of £35,000.00 plus bonuses plus employers national insurance contributions, the final cost of employing KJ is almost certainly in excess of £2 million per year.

With the lowest Season Ticket price being £345? it would take more than 5,500 renewals just to pay for him.

If you look at the number of players that are likely to be paid in excess of £15.000.00 plus add on's it really doesn't take many players to wipe out all of the Season ticket income (this is after the reported £12m savings already made).

Season ticket sales are of course a barometer of the fans feelings, the more fans that purchase tickets the better the club can plan it's finances and arrange transfer budgets etc.

In summary, if there were only 6,000 season tickets sold the club would probably only need to shift 5 or 6 players out for the status quo to remain financially.


The last season (before this one)CCFC were in the Championship , the total income was £17.3m of which £6.2m was gate receipts and match day income. That was based on an average attendance figure of 23k. I know it is oversimplifying it (because match day advertisers etc wouldn`t pay as much if there is no-one there to see their adverts) but if no-one had turned up that season , in theory income would only have gone down by £6m.

but other income is effected,the shirt sales will hit the floor(again),the food companies will not pay anywhere near what they have in the past to be in the stadium..... :ayatollah:



Thafs good news because compass had lucrative contract at stadium , basically screwing club risdales baby i believe ! :o

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:35 pm

abergblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
abergblue wrote:People like to say (and Tan thinks so) that he is a succesful businessman. So succesful he has managed to wipe out 75% of his customer base at Cardiff City FC.
Clueless about management, marketing, customer care and budgeting.




So people think 75% of fans not renuing can be blamed on tan? Mmm what about economics!, and many other factors that dictates if people can go? We have already heared lots on here say pick games they will go to next season, so they havnt left but being choosy! Where does 75%comes from? :thumbup:



Season ticket sales are currently 2000 to 3500 (depending on who you listen to).
Last season they were over 10,000, maybe as high as 14,000. Therefore 75% of the customer base has disappeared.
Many say they will pick and choose? Who will pick a wet cold school night in February? So I would think some bigger games on a nice saturday at 3pm may increase the crowd, but not the unattractive games midweek.
Season ticket sales are the measure of support, and balancing the books (including selling advertising) so this is a serious problem for the club.


It's nothing to do with Tan it's the fact no Premiership or reason to renew as in Wembley trip. It's all about success.

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:53 pm

Cut the wage bill, sell off assets, parachute payment, sponsorship, tv money, not all fans have ever had season tickets in tougher times, plenty pay on the gate, advertising revenue etc. Season tickets are just a part of the club's income, although I am sure he will be surprised at how low these numbers are.

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:03 pm

This is basic marketing....People want to be associated with success

Champions league is mecca
Premier league is the elite
Chasing promotion to the premier league is desirable
Staying in the championship is one for the loyal fans
Being in a championship relegation battle is a test of the loyal fans
League 1 =hardcore
League 2 = Your a bit weird

Sell or let go cheaply all those he can quickly, get in some young potential early, hope they gel and we get another Chopra.

Hoping this group can do the business is mental

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:15 pm

abergblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
abergblue wrote:People like to say (and Tan thinks so) that he is a succesful businessman. So succesful he has managed to wipe out 75% of his customer base at Cardiff City FC.
Clueless about management, marketing, customer care and budgeting.




So people think 75% of fans not renuing can be blamed on tan? Mmm what about economics!, and many other factors that dictates if people can go? We have already heared lots on here say pick games they will go to next season, so they havnt left but being choosy! Where does 75%comes from? :thumbup:



Season ticket sales are currently 2000 to 3500 (depending on who you listen to).
Last season they were over 10,000, maybe as high as 14,000. Therefore 75% of the customer base has disappeared.
Many say they will pick and choose? Who will pick a wet cold school night in February? So I would think some bigger games on a nice saturday at 3pm may increase the crowd, but not the unattractive games midweek.
Season ticket sales are the measure of support, and balancing the books (including selling advertising) so this is a serious problem for the club.



Ahh right didnt know next season as started already? Its ok saying 75% today but that is totally irrelevant because no one knows who we may sign even who manager will be start of next season! All these factors will effect ST sales, same as your assertion about ST sales as of today! :thumbup:

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:18 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
krabb wrote:
ccfcsince62 wrote:
Clarityblue wrote:
krabb wrote:how can he balance the books with less than a third renewing season tickets...


The season ticket sales are important for the finances of the club. However, the importance of the financial cost cutting cannot be under-estimated.

If you take Kenwyn jones as an example, at a reported salary of £35,000.00 plus bonuses plus employers national insurance contributions, the final cost of employing KJ is almost certainly in excess of £2 million per year.

With the lowest Season Ticket price being £345? it would take more than 5,500 renewals just to pay for him.

If you look at the number of players that are likely to be paid in excess of £15.000.00 plus add on's it really doesn't take many players to wipe out all of the Season ticket income (this is after the reported £12m savings already made).

Season ticket sales are of course a barometer of the fans feelings, the more fans that purchase tickets the better the club can plan it's finances and arrange transfer budgets etc.

In summary, if there were only 6,000 season tickets sold the club would probably only need to shift 5 or 6 players out for the status quo to remain financially.


The last season (before this one)CCFC were in the Championship , the total income was £17.3m of which £6.2m was gate receipts and match day income. That was based on an average attendance figure of 23k. I know it is oversimplifying it (because match day advertisers etc wouldn`t pay as much if there is no-one there to see their adverts) but if no-one had turned up that season , in theory income would only have gone down by £6m.

but other income is effected,the shirt sales will hit the floor(again),the food companies will not pay anywhere near what they have in the past to be in the stadium..... :ayatollah:



Thafs good news because compass had lucrative contract at stadium , basically screwing club risdales baby i believe ! :o

i didnt know about ridsdale having compass.......it gets better by the day how the clubs been raped...jesus

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:30 pm

krabb wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
krabb wrote:
ccfcsince62 wrote:
Clarityblue wrote:
krabb wrote:how can he balance the books with less than a third renewing season tickets...


The season ticket sales are important for the finances of the club. However, the importance of the financial cost cutting cannot be under-estimated.

If you take Kenwyn jones as an example, at a reported salary of £35,000.00 plus bonuses plus employers national insurance contributions, the final cost of employing KJ is almost certainly in excess of £2 million per year.

With the lowest Season Ticket price being £345? it would take more than 5,500 renewals just to pay for him.

If you look at the number of players that are likely to be paid in excess of £15.000.00 plus add on's it really doesn't take many players to wipe out all of the Season ticket income (this is after the reported £12m savings already made).

Season ticket sales are of course a barometer of the fans feelings, the more fans that purchase tickets the better the club can plan it's finances and arrange transfer budgets etc.

In summary, if there were only 6,000 season tickets sold the club would probably only need to shift 5 or 6 players out for the status quo to remain financially.


The last season (before this one)CCFC were in the Championship , the total income was £17.3m of which £6.2m was gate receipts and match day income. That was based on an average attendance figure of 23k. I know it is oversimplifying it (because match day advertisers etc wouldn`t pay as much if there is no-one there to see their adverts) but if no-one had turned up that season , in theory income would only have gone down by £6m.

but other income is effected,the shirt sales will hit the floor(again),the food companies will not pay anywhere near what they have in the past to be in the stadium..... :ayatollah:



Thafs good news because compass had lucrative contract at stadium , basically screwing club risdales baby i believe ! :o

i didnt know about ridsdale having compass.......it gets better by the day how the clubs been raped...jesus


Sorry meant risdale nagotiated contract wih them it was like a lot if deals done by him totally against interest of clubs financial well being!

Re: how can tan make it pay next season

Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:18 am

pembroke allan wrote:
krabb wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
krabb wrote:
ccfcsince62 wrote:
Clarityblue wrote:
krabb wrote:how can he balance the books with less than a third renewing season tickets...


The season ticket sales are important for the finances of the club. However, the importance of the financial cost cutting cannot be under-estimated.

If you take Kenwyn jones as an example, at a reported salary of £35,000.00 plus bonuses plus employers national insurance contributions, the final cost of employing KJ is almost certainly in excess of £2 million per year.

With the lowest Season Ticket price being £345? it would take more than 5,500 renewals just to pay for him.

If you look at the number of players that are likely to be paid in excess of £15.000.00 plus add on's it really doesn't take many players to wipe out all of the Season ticket income (this is after the reported £12m savings already made).

Season ticket sales are of course a barometer of the fans feelings, the more fans that purchase tickets the better the club can plan it's finances and arrange transfer budgets etc.

In summary, if there were only 6,000 season tickets sold the club would probably only need to shift 5 or 6 players out for the status quo to remain financially.


The last season (before this one)CCFC were in the Championship , the total income was £17.3m of which £6.2m was gate receipts and match day income. That was based on an average attendance figure of 23k. I know it is oversimplifying it (because match day advertisers etc wouldn`t pay as much if there is no-one there to see their adverts) but if no-one had turned up that season , in theory income would only have gone down by £6m.

but other income is effected,the shirt sales will hit the floor(again),the food companies will not pay anywhere near what they have in the past to be in the stadium..... :ayatollah:



Thafs good news because compass had lucrative contract at stadium , basically screwing club risdales baby i believe ! :o

i didnt know about ridsdale having compass.......it gets better by the day how the clubs been raped...jesus


Sorry meant risdale nagotiated contract wih them it was like a lot if deals done by him totally against interest of clubs financial well being!


To be fair i believe Risdale dug us out of a financial hole, the club was in a pretty dire state moneywise the Ridder was having his nads squeezed :o and succumbed to the exploited terms offered by compass to keep us going.