" Why a season ticker holder for 53 years might Not Renew "

" Why a season ticker holder for 53 years might Not Renew `'
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By Keith Morgan aka Since62(Accountant).

Buying a Season ticket next Season?

We'll it might be very important to the club but you wouldn't think so with the incompetence with which they have dealt with encouraging existing season ticket holders to renew (why wait until last week to send out renewal forms?) or attract new season ticket holders ( uninspiring football and poor football management quality).

We have a board of directors who now have some clue about how to run a business properly from a financial point of view, but are still totally devoid of any football or marketing/PR skills or knowledge. The majority remain there as "yes men" for the majority shareholder rather than make any positive contribution to the football club. And they, and the other board members don't understand,have forgotten or just don't care where their legal duty of care as directors of an insolvent UK limited company lies. It might be Ok for those directors holding foreign passports if it all goes t*ts up financially as they disappear out of UK jurisdiction but the UK directors will then be left carrying the can in terms of possible personal financial liability,bans from being directors etc.

God knows we have had directors who were incompetent and deserving bans (e.g Peter Ridsdale) in the past but the current ones are the ones who have created a level of debt which has put the club in potentially the greatest level of financial danger .

For the above reasons I am in no hurry to renew my season ticket and may well not bother at all . You and I may disagree on things far more often than we agree but I am sure we can agree that I don't fall into the category of a fair weather or glory hunting fan. After 53 consecutive seasons of following the club at home (12 games missed in total over that period) and decades of regular away support as well until recent seasons I just have increasingly felt I have had enough and the current owner and management have led me to not care much for the club I have loved for 5 decades.

Spot on Keith had mine 42 out last 45 yrs ,but if it wasn't for my 85yr old Dad wouldn't be anywhere near the place at moment, totally devoid any enthusiasm.
he wants renew i'm all for going on a game to game basis, expect he will win ..unfortunately..sad as that seems.

Very sad when you see comments by posters like the two above. Fully understand how they're feeling and it shows what a circus the club has become in so many ways.

Also goes to show that it is not just the so-called "plastics" who are disappearing but long standing, hardcore supporters who obviously love the club but have come to feel so detatched from what the club has become that they feel that they have no realistic alternative than turning away.

A real shame that loyal supporters feel so ostracised by the club.

Not nice reading that, but is reality for some.

I am renewing again but I can understand why people would not want to renew. I first went down to Ninian Park in 1968 so it's hard to get it out of your blood.

The club make an uninspiring managerial appointment, offloaded all of the quality but still expect supporters to pay their hard earned cash to watch a lot of rubbish. Yes, the quality of football has slightly improved over recent weeks but prior to that the football was abysmal.

I suppose many will consider whether they want to come along next season to watch a relegation scrap.

i was also told on the weekend
that ticket for this season have been on sale cheap on wowcher ?
cant confirm this, but if so to some who cant get too all home games would be better of using this method to watch games they can get too

I'm stunned ' we have had much worse times than the current. People been spoiled the last 12 years with promotions and playoffs. F a cup and league cup finals . We have our blue back and where is everyone who said they would return. To many excuses all the time .

I'm stunned ' we have had much worse times than the current. People been spoiled the last 12 years with promotions and playoffs. F a cup and league cup finals . We have our blue back and where is everyone who said they would return. To many excuses all the time .

agree people throwing their dummys out of the pram ffs it's not the worse I've seen us

This is the payback season though !!!!

Tan had us by the short and curlies for the last few seasons.If you don't like then "pi** off" attitude, i'll replace you. Well go on replace me !!!!!

I want to move seats, but its expensive for an Adult and kid at the back of the Ninian stand.

I'll renew, probably the morning of our first home game, but I want to send a message as well........Vinnie you were wrong

The biggest reason I hear for not renewing is the word "it does not feel like our club any more".

I have not really spoken to anyone is depth why that is. I can only guess I suppose and here are some of those guesses going on what people complain about:

1. The atmosphere is poor: Some say it is because the Canton should be where the Family stand is, some say its the stewarding.
2. The board: Tend to agree with this as they have lick arsed Tan and sold out.
3. Divided fan base: Personally I just think it is a handful that have caused this but that is usually what happens when you have a division, a small minority seem to cause the stir.
4. Dire football: Personally I consider this a poor excuse but I won't have a go at anyone for using it as we are now all customers not supporters. Well we are to the main guy....you reap what you sow Mr Tan.

the main reason is on the whole we've had it good in the past 5 years and in the past year or so the football has been crap and it doesn't look like getting any better under slade and a reduced budget.

thats why many are not renewing. if we were still in the premiership in red, the same people would undoubtably still be renewing.

we've been in division 4 with awful football, so why have people decided now that the footballs not worth watching? the true fans will moan but always turn up. others come and go, and thats part of modern football. they'll be back when results improve.

I've supported City since the mid 70's and will be renewing mine and my sons this week. For me, the 'throwaway' statements that VT made at the time spoke volumes. That we were merely 'customers' and that if fans go then we can replaced with new 'customers'. And of course the 'what more can they do' comment when we protested. We are back in blue and with a new badge which is all good but in reality, the club still have mountains to climb in order to make me a part of something & feel as passionate as I used to be.

the main reason is on the whole we've had it good in the past 5 years and in the past year or so the football has been crap and it doesn't look like getting any better under slade and a reduced budget.

thats why many are not renewing. if we were still in the premiership in red, the same people would undoubtably still be renewing.

we've been in division 4 with awful football, so why have people decided now that the footballs not worth watching? the true fans will moan but always turn up. others come and go, and thats part of modern football. they'll be back when results improve.

But we are talking about a fan who has been through the bad times as well as the good ones. Something must be different as far as he is concerned.

the main reason is on the whole we've had it good in the past 5 years and in the past year or so the football has been crap and it doesn't look like getting any better under slade and a reduced budget.

thats why many are not renewing. if we were still in the premiership in red, the same people would undoubtably still be renewing.

we've been in division 4 with awful football, so why have people decided now that the footballs not worth watching? the true fans will moan but always turn up. others come and go, and thats part of modern football. they'll be back when results improve.

But we are talking about a fan who has been through the bad times as well as the good ones. Something must be different as far as he is concerned.

I honestly think that the long term fans who are not renewing are doing so as something they feel that was something unique and special had been, for brevity, commoditised. Loss of historical identity. I also think that this is the main factor why even more moderate fans haven't renewed yet.

It's not that I don't fully appreciate having an owner who can guarantee the clubs financial security, I just think that its going to take some concerted effort & time to rebuild the damage that has been done. It will return as ultimately, it will be down to the life force of any club - its hardcore fanbase.

the main reason is on the whole we've had it good in the past 5 years and in the past year or so the football has been crap and it doesn't look like getting any better under slade and a reduced budget.

thats why many are not renewing. if we were still in the premiership in red, the same people would undoubtably still be renewing.

we've been in division 4 with awful football, so why have people decided now that the footballs not worth watching? the true fans will moan but always turn up. others come and go, and thats part of modern football. they'll be back when results improve.

But we are talking about a fan who has been through the bad times as well as the good ones. Something must be different as far as he is concerned.

but why throw in the towel now? could it not have something to do with the fact that we are in mid table mediocrity and under the current setup look unlikely to improve?

in terms of identity, we back in blue with a badge that does the club justice. if we were in the premier league next season i guarantee you the fan in question would be renewing.

Tans taken something from me that I cant get back, pride. Im 50/50 if im renewing.

I will renew my 3 in August, no hurry as plenty of seats in the family stand. Had a ST since 1968, but even in the days of dire 4th division football, the club was my club, but it's doesn't seem that way anymore. I hope we reach at least 5k season tickets so at least 8k or so will cheer us on next season, but with 25k empty seats our ground as they say really is to big for us

Sad to see so many not renewing, my first visit to Ninian Park was in 1980 and then off and on due to various worldwide commitments.

Have renewed again for next season but can understand why others are not

the main reason is on the whole we've had it good in the past 5 years and in the past year or so the football has been crap and it doesn't look like getting any better under slade and a reduced budget.

thats why many are not renewing. if we were still in the premiership in red, the same people would undoubtably still be renewing.

we've been in division 4 with awful football, so why have people decided now that the footballs not worth watching? the true fans will moan but always turn up. others come and go, and thats part of modern football. they'll be back when results improve.

This comment is spot on.

I left the fold in 88 after 10 years of never missing a game. The football was crap, getting far to close to the stuff that Cardiff city fans were in those days and restricted money, made me go and play every saturday. I did about 10 games a season after the Eddie May years until we had 2 kids and money was even tighter.

I have only been back since we moved to the CSS, season ticket for the last 4.

Fans have always come and gone, not just modern fans. I think we'll get 10K but the club are going to have a massive rethink about the relationship they have broken.

My 13 year old daughter is not a football fan, she doesn't watch it like i would have at her age , she is a Cardiff City fan and I think a lot of you will be surprised how many new fans are now City fans and will stick with it.

Watching the Bluebirds used to be a day I would look forward to each and every week . Now Im sorry to say it feels like a chore and that Im going more as loyalty to the once club I loved than the enjoyment, and dose not feel like that club anymore
Someone said it feels like tan cut off your leg for 2 years then said you can have it back now .Tan has no respect for you or the club fellow customers. and I have been supporting Cardiff City for 45 years and have been a season ticket holder for most of that time. I am not someone that just supports a winning team. The club has lost something that money cannot buy.
So cut a long story short I will not be renewing next season. Good luck the Bluebirds .

I am a season ticket holder and will not renew this next season. There are several reasons why I will not be renewing. The atmosphere is really terrible. When the stewards act like Gestapo agents and just stare at the people, it leaves me feeling like I do not want to be there. When the police presence is so great (I am waiting for the tanks and armored vehicles to be rolled out) and they take pictures of the crowd for no reason, it leaves me feeling uncomfortable and I do not want to be there.
It is quite clear to me that management have no idea about marketing and PR. The CEO has no idea about Consumer Focused Marketing; No idea about managing the Club; no idea about how to run the Club. Yes, the players do try and work hard and I support that, but there is a contradiction when the Club lets us believe there will be an effort made to gain promotion and then sells off it best players, surely there needs to be investment to bring in quality players. I see only a club that is in disarray, disorganized and falling apart with the dictatorial rule of the board.

I am a season ticket holder and will not renew this next season. There are several reasons why I will not be renewing. The atmosphere is really terrible. When the stewards act like Gestapo agents and just stare at the people, it leaves me feeling like I do not want to be there. When the police presence is so great (I am waiting for the tanks and armored vehicles to be rolled out) and they take pictures of the crowd for no reason, it leaves me feeling uncomfortable and I do not want to be there.
It is quite clear to me that management have no idea about marketing and PR. The CEO has no idea about Consumer Focused Marketing; No idea about managing the Club; no idea about how to run the Club. Yes, the players do try and work hard and I support that, but there is a contradiction when the Club lets us believe there will be an effort made to gain promotion and then sells off it best players, surely there needs to be investment to bring in quality players. I see only a club that is in disarray, disorganized and falling apart with the dictatorial rule of the board.

I assume you are under 25 if you think Saturday was police presence.

No, I am not 25, but thanks for the compliment. No, I am not talking about Saturday's game. I am talking about the assumed need for dogs, horses and cameras that were used in previous games. I am expecting tanks and armored vehicles at any time. Just because you have become accustomed to such police tactics, I am not and will not be apart of such. I love the game and did like the banter between fans. I am aware of Cardiff's history, and the reputation that has lingered, but that is history and i have as yet seen Cardiff fans attack the opponents fans. I want the stewards to be helpful and pleasant, I do not want them to be arms of the police. There is no need for Cardiff fans to be stared at and constantly focused on just in case. All of this together creates an atmosphere of unpleasantness and takes away from watching the Bluebirds play.

" Why a season ticker holder for 53 years might Not Renew `'
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By Keith Morgan aka Since62(Accountant).

Buying a Season ticket next Season?

We'll it might be very important to the club but you wouldn't think so with the incompetence with which they have dealt with encouraging existing season ticket holders to renew (why wait until last week to send out renewal forms?) or attract new season ticket holders ( uninspiring football and poor football management quality).

We have a board of directors who now have some clue about how to run a business properly from a financial point of view, but are still totally devoid of any football or marketing/PR skills or knowledge. The majority remain there as "yes men" for the majority shareholder rather than make any positive contribution to the football club. And they, and the other board members don't understand,have forgotten or just don't care where their legal duty of care as directors of an insolvent UK limited company lies. It might be Ok for those directors holding foreign passports if it all goes t*ts up financially as they disappear out of UK jurisdiction but the UK directors will then be left carrying the can in terms of possible personal financial liability,bans from being directors etc.

God knows we have had directors who were incompetent and deserving bans (e.g Peter Ridsdale) in the past but the current ones are the ones who have created a level of debt which has put the club in potentially the greatest level of financial danger .

For the above reasons I am in no hurry to renew my season ticket and may well not bother at all . You and I may disagree on things far more often than we agree but I am sure we can agree that I don't fall into the category of a fair weather or glory hunting fan. After 53 consecutive seasons of following the club at home (12 games missed in total over that period) and decades of regular away support as well until recent seasons I just have increasingly felt I have had enough and the current owner and management have led me to not care much for the club I have loved for 5 decades.

Compared to what i have been through for the last 55 years'these are the good day's.From being in division one to knocking on the door of dropping out of the league altogether.Good football'shite football.We have alway's been there.That is what being a football supporter is all about.You dont support the directors.You support the team.There are too many people that forget this.Me and you are not like that.I would bet a day's pay that you will renew.Not that i did,nt question my stance when we were in red.But that problem is now gone.

I had decided that I would not renew my ST unless VT returned the club to it's traditional blue and white colours and when that was confirmed there was no doubt that I would renew, absolutely no doubt.

Next season will be my 51st watching the Bluebirds and whilst August will bring with it the hope for a successful season the one thing I absolutely know is that NO football club has a divine right to win all games, the same goes for the style of football as there are no guarantees about that either.

I know one thing for certain and that is even if we lose every game next season I will keep on going to games, Why?, because that's what you do when you support a football club you turn up week in week out.

When I read things like concerns about the financial position of the club, cost cutting, style of play. owners, players, managers, stewards. atmosphere whatever reasons as fans we can affect little in respect of that lot except atmosphere. Owners, players and managers will come and go and every now and then things will click on the pitch and we will have a good season and those times are all the more enjoyable when the arrive.

I hold no great expectations for next season and whatever the outcome I know I will renew for the season after, Why?, because that's what football fans do and at times there is absolutely no logic to it. We are experiencing lean times at the moment, but that will change, it may take a season or two but I'll be there throughout looking forward to the return of better times.

the main reason is on the whole we've had it good in the past 5 years and in the past year or so the football has been crap and it doesn't look like getting any better under slade and a reduced budget.

thats why many are not renewing. if we were still in the premiership in red, the same people would undoubtably still be renewing.

we've been in division 4 with awful football, so why have people decided now that the footballs not worth watching? the true fans will moan but always turn up. others come and go, and thats part of modern football. they'll be back when results improve.

But we are talking about a fan who has been through the bad times as well as the good ones. Something must be different as far as he is concerned.

but why throw in the towel now? could it not have something to do with the fact that we are in mid table mediocrity and under the current setup look unlikely to improve?

in terms of identity, we back in blue with a badge that does the club justice. if we were in the premier league next season i guarantee you the fan in question would be renewing.

Spot on you can guarantee that 99% of those not renewing season tickets would be buying season tickets if we were playing Premiership football or chasing promotion, the club has always been badly run, in fact far worse than it is now, so no change there, we have our colour, badge, identity back, so no change there. All that has changed is that we have had and will have mediocre football for the last two years and possibly for the foreseeable future and so called long time supporters have lost their mojo. They would probably hate to admit it, but they are in love with the Premiership, just like any newbie supporter

the main reason is on the whole we've had it good in the past 5 years and in the past year or so the football has been crap and it doesn't look like getting any better under slade and a reduced budget.

thats why many are not renewing. if we were still in the premiership in red, the same people would undoubtably still be renewing.

we've been in division 4 with awful football, so why have people decided now that the footballs not worth watching? the true fans will moan but always turn up. others come and go, and thats part of modern football. they'll be back when results improve.

But we are talking about a fan who has been through the bad times as well as the good ones. Something must be different as far as he is concerned.

but why throw in the towel now? could it not have something to do with the fact that we are in mid table mediocrity and under the current setup look unlikely to improve?

in terms of identity, we back in blue with a badge that does the club justice. if we were in the premier league next season i guarantee you the fan in question would be renewing.

On what basis can you "guarantee" that? The fact is , you can`t at all and it annoys me when people like yourself claim to have more knowledge of such things than the person making the statement.
As the "fan in question" I can assure you that our position in the league has no bearing whatsoever on my renewal decision. I have seen far more years of crap football at lower division level than at the higher levels , and have happily continued to attend throughout that period.

I have held a season ticket since the first season after the war (approx 70 years) and believe me I have seen a lot worst times than the present, together with some of the best in the Jimmy Scoular era including the years that we qualified for Europe and travelled extensively with the club (happy days).
Now unfortunately, enough is enough as, with the present management and administrative setup I see no hope of things improving in the near future. And as I consider that I have done my time as a loyal supporter and feel that I no longer have the desire to accompany the club through another painful journey of re-habilitation which will include more dire performances from lower league standard players and management I will finally not be renewing my season ticket.

This isn't my true club any more, the heart and soul has been well and truly ripped out of it. I've seen worse teams and worse managers but it was still our club.The returning back to blue and new badge is only camouflaging over the huge cracks internally. After 58 years i won't be renewing my season ticket as i do not like going there any more, it doesn't feel like Cardiff City fc. If i do change my mind in the summer then there''ll be acres of space to choose from. How sad.