' Average Championship Away Following ' City 5th Worst

Not sure if this has been posted, but I have to say I'm disappointed. Thought we would have been much higher up that list

Cardiff City's 939 Fans
City 5th worst away supported Club in the Championship

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Jack, We are the 5th worst away supported club this season

Its not very good, but considering all we've been through and the distance we have to travel, it could be worse.

Its not very good, but considering all we've been through and the distance we have to travel, it could be worse.

Its a big worry when tiny clubs like Rotherham beat us

Weve gone from Thousands away to one of the worst away supported clubs.

One thing we always had something to be proud of,was our great away support.

Not sure if this has been posted, but I have to say I'm disappointed. Thought we would have been much higher up that list

Cardiff City's 939 Fans
City 5th worst away supported Club in the Championship

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the mighty Leeds United march on

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Rotherham to Leeds 33 miles
Rotherham to Shef Weds 9 miles
Rotherham to Huddersfield 28 miles
Rotherham to Bolton 74 miles
Rotherham to Blackburn 68 miles
Rotherham to Middlesboro 96 miles
Rotherham to Nottingham For 40 miles
Rotherham to Derby 43 miles
Rotherham to Wigan 83 miles
Rotherham to Blackpool 110 miles

they have ten games all within 110 miles from the home stadium that will account for their support but ours is way down this season

Rotherham to Leeds 33 miles
Rotherham to Shef Weds 9 miles
Rotherham to Huddersfield 28 miles
Rotherham to Bolton 74 miles
Rotherham to Blackburn 68 miles
Rotherham to Middlesboro 96 miles
Rotherham to Nottingham For 40 miles
Rotherham to Derby 43 miles
Rotherham to Wigan 83 miles
Rotherham to Blackpool 110 miles

they have ten games all within 110 miles from the home stadium that will account for their support but ours is way down this season

Corky, We are a massive City,surrounded by at least a million people who have no club other than City to support.
Rotherham are like a village compared to us,as you say they are surrounded by many other places who support their local clubs.
In the 80s Rotherham would take barely 30 fans to Cardiff. Yet we would take away hundreds compared to them.
We potentially are a Premier League supported club,whilst Rotherham can never be.

Norwich double us,but they travel far do they not?

Geographically we are at a disadvantage. But it's still shit poor Chiefs

Geographically we are at a disadvantage. But it's still shit poor Chiefs

Geography sprung to mind.

Mixed with terrible form. Still surprising, mind I haven't done an away trip this season.

Geographically we are at a disadvantage. But it's still shit poor Chiefs

Nukes, Weve always been, so are Boro,Norwich,Ipswich, and clubs like Blackburn etc have to travel hundreds of miles to go South.

I am just stunned at how quick our away support has disappeared.

I know many faces who never missed an away game last year and have not been to one away this year?


Geography never came to mind last season or the season before? ?

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Alex Donovan Absolute shit! I remember huddersfield and there was 400 when the allocation was way more! If it was all terraces like Brentford Saturday we'd be much higher up in that list
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Matthew John Harrop It's because most clubs have four maybe five teams within a very short distance
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Andrew Alderman Shocking. Y???? I have followed city since a kid.. Worst season this year.. Kit problems. Ppl pissed off.. Money .. Prices to high. Last season all the prem games away , new fans had tickets before loyalty ... Wot more do u want me to say
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Simon Underhill It's hardly shocking when the club has been ripped apart by Tan. No matter how happy people pretend to be with the blue and shitty new badge.
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Renn Madden Na it's no shock, it's understandable.
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Hywel Evans It's not understaneble, we are Cardiff City, a club that always had a reputation for having one of the best support in Britain. We got our blue back and we are starting to win more games now. These people who have walked out on City are not loyle supporters, their a disgrace !
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Darren 'Farmer' Thomas It's shocking compared to how we used to travel the last 15 years or so!
But if you look at how many derbies some have they have hardly any travelling! Look at Rotherham they have a load of games within an hour or so (the trains from the upper valleys ...See More
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Simon Underhill In between your crazy rants against Tan try engaging your brain and respect peoples decisions to boycott.
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Matthew John Harrop Apart from Leeds who are a big club that table is pretty much a copy of the league table clubs doing well attract larger crowds. Clubs playing shite are down the bottom.
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Hywel Evans Just cos we been shite most of the season is still no reason for people to stop supporting the club !
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Hywel Evans Anyone agree with me ?
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Alex Donovan Yep I do
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Simon Underhill I agree, I've watched 20 years of shit mate but you can't have a go at people who don't feel attached to the club anymore
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Rob Bradley Didn't mind coming last year in prem watching shit football
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Simon Underhill Nice try lad but I boycotted since day one of the rebrand
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Rob Bradley Not aiming that at you Simon !
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Rob Bradley I don't even know you meant most fans in general
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Hywel Evans Either way, it's time for Cardiff to start picking up the support cos lately I felt like I'm the only one cheering in the ground
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Simon Underhill Sorry mate, I agree though. Lots of fair weather premier fans have left
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Rob Bradley It's ok lol
They sure have .
Hardly fans in my eyes ...See More
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Simon Underhill Spot on mate
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Renn Madden Brentford was class saturday, if you missed that I feel for you

That's shocking

Other mitigating circumstances.

Blackburn Away on a Friday Night
Blackpool Away on a Friday Night
Brighton Away on a Tuesday Night
Bolton Away on a Tuesday Night
Wigan Away on a Tuesday Night
Rotherham Away on a Tuesday Night
Middlesbrough Away on a Tuesday Night
Ipswich to come away on a Tuesday Night

Has there ever been a season like this where almost all of our 'furthest to travel' games have been mid-week
or Fridays. They could not have possibly been worse?

A massive contributing factor imo and that average would have gone up a good few hundred if we hadn't been so unfortunate with the fixture list

Other mitigating circumstances.

Blackburn Away on a Friday Night
Blackpool Away on a Friday Night
Brighton Away on a Tuesday Night
Bolton Away on a Tuesday Night
Wigan Away on a Tuesday Night
Rotherham Away on a Tuesday Night
Middlesbrough Away on a Tuesday Night
Ipswich to come away on a Tuesday Night

Has there ever been a season like this where almost all of our 'furthest to travel' games have been mid-week
or Fridays. They could not have possibly been worse?

A massive contributing factor imo and that average would have gone up a good few hundred if we hadn't been so unfortunate with the fixture list

got to agree there seem to have a lot if midweek away games this year

I believe a lot more hardcore left over the rebrand than some tried to cover up. This for me is proof of that.

Rotherham to Leeds 33 miles
Rotherham to Shef Weds 9 miles
Rotherham to Huddersfield 28 miles
Rotherham to Bolton 74 miles
Rotherham to Blackburn 68 miles
Rotherham to Middlesboro 96 miles
Rotherham to Nottingham For 40 miles
Rotherham to Derby 43 miles
Rotherham to Wigan 83 miles
Rotherham to Blackpool 110 miles

they have ten games all within 110 miles from the home stadium that will account for their support but ours is way down this season

Corky, We are a massive City,surrounded by at least a million people who have no club other than City to support.
Rotherham are like a village compared to us,as you say they are surrounded by many other places who support their local clubs.
In the 80s Rotherham would take barely 30 fans to Cardiff. Yet we would take away hundreds compared to them.
We potentially are a Premier League supported club,whilst Rotherham can never be.

Norwich double us,but they travel far do they not?

Annis, you have failed to consider a number of things in your post and it infuriates me as you use numbers to make a point. Your statement of "at least a million people who have no other club other than City to support" is the point in question. The 2011 Census stages the population of Wales as a tad over 3,000,000, with 60% of the population living in South Wales, giving us a number of 1,800,000. A YouGov Poll held in 2012 found that around 56% of the population are either "not at all interested" (37%) or "not very interested" (19%) in football as a sport. The remaining 44% accounts for a population of around 828,000. Already lower than your estimate.

Whilst I agree with your point that we are a large city, and that our away support is dwindling, given the current state of affairs at our club, the current economic condition, and the distance of Cardiff from other clubs in the League, it could be justified.

Back to the figures. In my previously quoted figure of 828,000, I have failed to factor in age. 5% of this population is below the age of 4, and cannot really be consider a fan that can be held responsible for low attendance figures. (A further 5% of the figure is below the age of 10, but I'll save the blushes). Subtracting that first 5% leaves us with 786,600. 1% are also above the age of 90, leaving us with just shy of 779,000.

779,000 people of all ages and genders that range from mildly interested to obsessed with football in South Wales. This does not take in a few things. One, the fans of Swansea, a successful Premier League team. Two, the loyal fans of Newport who have also had considerable success recently. And three, the fans of Cardiff who are so fed up by the circus of our club that they just do not care anymore. At best, I would say the true figure of supporters of this club is circa 180,000. Less than 18% of your original figure, if that. The million that you quote that have 'no other club than city to support' is the population of Cardiff. And it is gullible of you to fail to consider anything else and assume that everyone is interested in football. Whilst I would agree that the figure can be increased by success both on and off the pitch, it is obscene that that will suddenly make everyone interested in football. I refer to my early stat that only 44% of people even give a crap about this godforsaken sport.

I believe a lot more hardcore left over the rebrand than some tried to cover up. This for me is proof of that.

Ian, I think your Spot on,the rebrand hurt the Hardcore and thats the truth of the matter.

Rotherham to Leeds 33 miles
Rotherham to Shef Weds 9 miles
Rotherham to Huddersfield 28 miles
Rotherham to Bolton 74 miles
Rotherham to Blackburn 68 miles
Rotherham to Middlesboro 96 miles
Rotherham to Nottingham For 40 miles
Rotherham to Derby 43 miles
Rotherham to Wigan 83 miles
Rotherham to Blackpool 110 miles

they have ten games all within 110 miles from the home stadium that will account for their support but ours is way down this season

Corky, We are a massive City,surrounded by at least a million people who have no club other than City to support.
Rotherham are like a village compared to us,as you say they are surrounded by many other places who support their local clubs.
In the 80s Rotherham would take barely 30 fans to Cardiff. Yet we would take away hundreds compared to them.
We potentially are a Premier League supported club,whilst Rotherham can never be.

Norwich double us,but they travel far do they not?

Annis, you have failed to consider a number of things in your post and it infuriates me as you use numbers to make a point. Your statement of "at least a million people who have no other club other than City to support" is the point in question. The 2011 Census stages the population of Wales as a tad over 3,000,000, with 60% of the population living in South Wales, giving us a number of 1,800,000. A YouGov Poll held in 2012 found that around 56% of the population are either "not at all interested" (37%) or "not very interested" (19%) in football as a sport. The remaining 44% accounts for a population of around 828,000. Already lower than your estimate.

Whilst I agree with your point that we are a large city, and that our away support is dwindling, given the current state of affairs at our club, the current economic condition, and the distance of Cardiff from other clubs in the League, it could be justified.

Back to the figures. In my previously quoted figure of 828,000, I have failed to factor in age. 5% of this population is below the age of 4, and cannot really be consider a fan that can be held responsible for low attendance figures. (A further 5% of the figure is below the age of 10, but I'll save the blushes). Subtracting that first 5% leaves us with 786,600. 1% are also above the age of 90, leaving us with just shy of 779,000.

779,000 people of all ages and genders that range from mildly interested to obsessed with football in South Wales. This does not take in a few things. One, the fans of Swansea, a successful Premier League team. Two, the loyal fans of Newport who have also had considerable success recently. And three, the fans of Cardiff who are so fed up by the circus of our club that they just do not care anymore. At best, I would say the true figure of supporters of this club is circa 180,000. Less than 18% of your original figure, if that. The million that you quote that have 'no other club than city to support' is the population of Cardiff. And it is gullible of you to fail to consider anything else and assume that everyone is interested in football. Whilst I would agree that the figure can be increased by success both on and off the pitch, it is obscene that that will suddenly make everyone interested in football. I refer to my early stat that only 44% of people even give a crap about this godforsaken sport.

Excellent figures,but when we were winning in our 2 previous seasons, our away support was superb. A lot of those fans were pure glory hunters,thats the true sad facts.

Other mitigating circumstances.

Blackburn Away on a Friday Night
Blackpool Away on a Friday Night
Brighton Away on a Tuesday Night
Bolton Away on a Tuesday Night
Wigan Away on a Tuesday Night
Rotherham Away on a Tuesday Night
Middlesbrough Away on a Tuesday Night
Ipswich to come away on a Tuesday Night

Has there ever been a season like this where almost all of our 'furthest to travel' games have been mid-week
or Fridays. They could not have possibly been worse?

A massive contributing factor imo and that average would have gone up a good few hundred if we hadn't been so unfortunate with the fixture list

got to agree there seem to have a lot if midweek away games this year

I think you will find we are not the only team that plays midweek games.

We played United/Stoke etc away last season on Tuesday nights, Superb support.

Whats happened is the Glory hunters have gone,but a lot of hardcore fans,thanks to Tans rebrand have had enough.

Annis, the away numbers were v good last season obviously but I thought they were poor in our promotion season.

We couldn't sell out for Burnley away to clinch the Championship title which amazed me. Only 1,500 for absolutely crucial trip to Sheff Wed.

Our away support has been dying over a number of years. The rebrand is a big part of it as was the end of the Valley Rams.

Other mitigating circumstances.

Blackburn Away on a Friday Night
Blackpool Away on a Friday Night
Brighton Away on a Tuesday Night
Bolton Away on a Tuesday Night
Wigan Away on a Tuesday Night
Rotherham Away on a Tuesday Night
Middlesbrough Away on a Tuesday Night
Ipswich to come away on a Tuesday Night

Has there ever been a season like this where almost all of our 'furthest to travel' games have been mid-week
or Fridays. They could not have possibly been worse?

A massive contributing factor imo and that average would have gone up a good few hundred if we hadn't been so unfortunate with the fixture list

got to agree there seem to have a lot if midweek away games this year

I think you will find we are not the only team that plays midweek games.

We played United/Stoke etc away last season on Tuesday nights, Superb support.

Whats happened is the Glory hunters have gone,but a lot of hardcore fans,thanks to Tans rebrand have had enough.

when we were in blue a few season back we were getting just as low or even lower to midweek games ,no rebrand about in those days

Perhaps we're not as big as people say we are.

Crazy, it shows how important success is to some fans. This season has been tough for us, we've dropped like a stone, but I think we will pick up again next season.

Geographically we are at a disadvantage. But it's still shit poor Chiefs

Nukes, Weve always been, so are Boro,Norwich,Ipswich, and clubs like Blackburn etc have to travel hundreds of miles to go South.

I am just stunned at how quick our away support has disappeared.

I know many faces who never missed an away game last year and have not been to one away this year?


Geography never came to mind last season or the season before? ?

Blackburn have 12 games within 110 miles including really short trips to Bolton, Wigan and Blackpool. Also the authorities have really cracked down on our away support for quite a number of years and made following Cardiff City away very difficult and unpleasant. Combine that with all the rebrand problems and general discontent with the club as well as the distance we have to travel and you can understand how our numbers have dropped so much. Blackburn and Blackpool away were live on TV and they were night games plus Norwich and Boro within a few days of each other...our two longest trips!

Annis, the away numbers were v good last season obviously but I thought they were poor in our promotion season.

We couldn't sell out for Burnley away to clinch the Championship title which amazed me. Only 1,500 for absolutely crucial trip to Sheff Wed.

Our away support has been dying over a number of years. The rebrand is a big part of it as was the end of the Valley Rams.

When you think about it your right,I went to those away trips and was shocked how poor our away support was. Burnley especially.

Rotherham to Leeds 33 miles
Rotherham to Shef Weds 9 miles
Rotherham to Huddersfield 28 miles
Rotherham to Bolton 74 miles
Rotherham to Blackburn 68 miles
Rotherham to Middlesboro 96 miles
Rotherham to Nottingham For 40 miles
Rotherham to Derby 43 miles
Rotherham to Wigan 83 miles
Rotherham to Blackpool 110 miles

they have ten games all within 110 miles from the home stadium that will account for their support but ours is way down this season

Corky, We are a massive City,surrounded by at least a million people who have no club other than City to support.
Rotherham are like a village compared to us,as you say they are surrounded by many other places who support their local clubs.
In the 80s Rotherham would take barely 30 fans to Cardiff. Yet we would take away hundreds compared to them.
We potentially are a Premier League supported club,whilst Rotherham can never be.

Norwich double us,but they travel far do they not?

"surrounded by at least a million people who have no club other than City to support". You are deluded. There's an established premier league club just 40 miles away. And it's great to see so many youngsters growing up the valleys who support Swansea these days.

Perhaps we're not as big as people say we are.

This ^^^

One thing people have failed to mention is cost of attending away games. Considering the cost of living compared to income in south wales is one of the worst in the UK, people cannot afford and justify spending their money on attending a low performing team.

I have managed to make it to one away game this season and I can't see me making it to anymore for the rest of the season and it's purley down to money.

Also, going on what the other poster said regarding the census, I know loads of people who love their football but do not give a shit about the city and will not waste their time and money going to watch them.

People need to realise we are not this huge club with this massive fan base that some supporters will have you think.

Some quotes on this thread needs to be transfered to the "Whoppers" thread


Glory seekers pushing out real fans - We barely sold out during the prem and never in the championship. If you wanted a ticket it was there. Getting away ticket without the requirements made it very difficult for newbies to jump on the away bandwagon

Red kit - It was red for the 2 season before when we sold out a lot of game in the PREMIER league

Rebrand pushing hard core fans - No real eveidence that a lot of hardcore left during the first season of the rebrand


My view - Its just a case of after the lord mayors show. Bottled up frustration with the club, relegated to the championship, with shit football.... Wolves and fulham had good turnouts early season. I think most fahns want this season to end and develop that "hope" you get during the off season that this may be our year again.......

Other mitigating circumstances.

Blackburn Away on a Friday Night
Blackpool Away on a Friday Night
Brighton Away on a Tuesday Night
Bolton Away on a Tuesday Night
Wigan Away on a Tuesday Night
Rotherham Away on a Tuesday Night
Middlesbrough Away on a Tuesday Night
Ipswich to come away on a Tuesday Night

Has there ever been a season like this where almost all of our 'furthest to travel' games have been mid-week
or Fridays. They could not have possibly been worse?

A massive contributing factor imo and that average would have gone up a good few hundred if we hadn't been so unfortunate with the fixture list

This for me is massive and something I feel the club need to address next year. Most of our mid week games have been at the furthest points to travel, and something I dont think is fair. If this was a promotion attempt campaign we could have come unstuck having so many games at such distances with such fewer fans.

I never understand why the FA doesnt try to at least ensure that mid week fixtures are under a certain mileage distance where possible (i.e give us reading on a midweek, not Boro!). At the end of the day they and the clubs will have greater revenue having more through the turnstiles would they not?