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Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:38 am

" HAS OR WILL RUSSELL SLADE CHANGE THE DOUBTERS MINDS? "

Russell Slade has now won 3 consecutive away games :thumbright: :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

At home Slade has only won one in his last 9 league games.

Link viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142949 :thumbright:

Is the football improving?

Are you starting to believe in Slade?

Can Slade succeed ?

Are you still 100% against Slade?

Do you want Slade here next season?

HONEST ANSWER PLEASE? :thumbright: :thumbright:

Re: " HAS OR WILL RUSSELL SLADE CHANGE THE DOUBTERS MINDS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:44 am

Its a shame for Slade that we have such a tough fixture at home tomorrow, would have been nice to take some momenteum into the Brum game next Saturday, Im not counting us out tomorrow of course, just saying its a stinker of a fixture at this time, and i would take a bore draw right now.

As for the football, its isnt great to be fair is it? but given the job that Slade has had to do clearing players out, and undoubtidly the job isnt finished yet, I think when all is said and done, he hasnt done a terribly bad job.

Cant be easy being labelled as 'Tan's Man' from the outset, and have a fair crack of the whip.

Do I want Slade here next season.........hmmmm?


and another point, we have got our colours back, a reasonable badge, results are getting slightly more positive,the primandonna players have been shipped out, and we have a good old fashion no nonsense football manager with no delusions of grandeur. its not all bad.....

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:09 am

perhaps im the only one, but i thought the first 2/3rds of the charlton game was much much better. we seemed to stall when down to 10 as whitts was off with a blood injury, after that it was one way traffic.


Im looking forward to tomorrow. I like bournemouth so looking forward to seeing them play, and seeing how we can cope against them. A draw would be an excellent result.

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:14 am

Gav, I don't agree with most what you say about Slade. He was brought in to at least make the play offs, granted he's got rid of some of the high earners, but ultimately he's failed with the team and most of his signings are average at best. Come the end of the season I hope Tan gets rid and gets a manager in that could actually get us promoted. Neil Warnock over to you.

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:15 am

CHRIS PIKE wrote:Gav, I don't agree with most what you say about Slade. He was brought in to at least make the play offs, granted he's got rid of some of the high earners, but ultimately he's failed with the team and most of his signings are average at best. Come the end of the season I hope Tan gets rid and gets a manager in that could actually get us promoted. Neil Warnock over to you.



neil warnock :lol:

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:16 am

paulh_85 wrote:perhaps im the only one, but i thought the first 2/3rds of the charlton game was much much better. we seemed to stall when down to 10 as whitts was off with a blood injury, after that it was one way traffic.


Im looking forward to tomorrow. I like bournemouth so looking forward to seeing them play, and seeing how we can cope against them. A draw would be an excellent result.


I tuned into radio Wales after the Charlton game and they pretty much said the same point you mention here Paul.

The fact Whitts went off for the blood injury allowed the Charlton midfield to gain a foothold they had not managed to gain up until that point.

It was undoubtedly the game changing moment.

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:22 am

paulh_85 wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:Gav, I don't agree with most what you say about Slade. He was brought in to at least make the play offs, granted he's got rid of some of the high earners, but ultimately he's failed with the team and most of his signings are average at best. Come the end of the season I hope Tan gets rid and gets a manager in that could actually get us promoted. Neil Warnock over to you.



neil warnock :lol:

What's so funny about that ? He got Sheffield United and QPR to the premier league..

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:35 am

CHRIS PIKE wrote:Gav, I don't agree with most what you say about Slade. He was brought in to at least make the play offs, granted he's got rid of some of the high earners, but ultimately he's failed with the team and most of his signings are average at best. Come the end of the season I hope Tan gets rid and gets a manager in that could actually get us promoted. Neil Warnock over to you.


Darren,

The rot had to be stopped, and that wasn't gonna happen if we brought in another big name manager with a bumper transfer budget.

Whether is was done accidentally by Tan or not, the appointment of Slade will do the club good over the next season or 2, as we transition from a free Spending irresponsible club.

Maybe after Slade has done the dirty work someone of Warnocks calibre can be brought in but in the mean time that dirty work is still bring done. Someone like Warnock wouldn't wanna do that kind of job, he has nothing to prove to anyone.

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:47 am

Gav, he also told him the play offs were a minimum. I will give him credit for getting the wage bill down, but that's all I will give him credit for. The man is totally out of his depth in my opinion. If Tan wants season ticket sales to improve he has to get rid of him, Slade is damaged goods now, every time we have a bad result most of us turn on him, Bobby Gould was in a simular situation with the fans, so Sam Hammam got rid.

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:52 am

CHRIS PIKE wrote:Gav, he also told him the play offs were a minimum. I will give him credit for getting the wage bill down, but that's all I will give him credit for. The man is totally out of his depth in my opinion. If Tan wants season ticket sales to improve he has to get rid of him, Slade is damaged goods now, every time we have a bad result most of us turn on him, Bobby Gould was in a simular situation with the fans, so Sam Hammam got rid.


As I said above Dar, Tan labelled him his man from the start, poor fucker was never gonna win the fans over with that title

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:55 am

Gavin wrote:
CHRIS PIKE wrote:Gav, he also told him the play offs were a minimum. I will give him credit for getting the wage bill down, but that's all I will give him credit for. The man is totally out of his depth in my opinion. If Tan wants season ticket sales to improve he has to get rid of him, Slade is damaged goods now, every time we have a bad result most of us turn on him, Bobby Gould was in a simular situation with the fans, so Sam Hammam got rid.


As I said above Dar, Tan labelled him his man from the start, poor fucker was never gonna win the fans over with that title


Let's just hope he realises he got that wrong then :-)

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:07 am

he's going to be given another transfer window. I dont see why fans cant give him a clean slate next season and start judging him from there. this one was always going to be a write off really.

Lets shed another 10/12 million off the wage bill while hopefully bringing in as much as 10 in fees. there is plenty of quality to be found for free theses days with so many out of contract. and lets see how the first 10 games go next season

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:16 am

paulh_85 wrote:he's going to be given another transfer window. I dont see why fans cant give him a clean slate next season and start judging him from there. this one was always going to be a write off really.

Lets shed another 10/12 million off the wage bill while hopefully bringing in as much as 10 in fees. there is plenty of quality to be found for free theses days with so many out of contract. and lets see how the first 10 games go next season



Sounds good to me

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:30 am

Forever Blue wrote:" HAS OR WILL RUSSELL SLADE CHANGE THE DOUBTERS MINDS? "

Russell Slade has now won 3 consecutive away games :thumbright: :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

At home Slade has only won one in his last 9 league games.

Link viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142949 :thumbright:

Is the football improving?

Are you starting to believe in Slade?

Can Slade succeed ?

Are you still 100% against Slade?

Do you want Slade here next season?

HONEST ANSWER PLEASE? :thumbright: :thumbright:



It's difficult to start believing in RS based on the fact that he has clearly struggled to galvanise a talented squad of players into a team which can consistently deliver both good performances and more importantly results.

But in fairness to him OGS left him with a squad of talented footballers who were nothing better than a group of individuals who lacked togetherness as a team unit, there was also a massive imbalance within the squad the biggest of which, in my opinion, were wide players with the pace, and this lack of options in this area has left us with proven goalscorers like Le Fondre living off scraps. Kenwynne Jones has done well but with better service I believe he would already be passed 20 goals.

RS was very unlucky that Pilkington picked up such a bad injury leaving us with Craig Noone as the only real option, and again in my opinion, CN has performed more as an "Individual" than a team player with his consistent habit of failing to hold onto the ball, repeatedly losing possession, repeatedly cutting inside looking to shoot rather than look to play our proven goalscorers in. I was not surprised that RS was prepared to consider selling him in January and going forward replacing CN has to be a priority.

Given the level of commitment the players showed on Saturday I believe it's impossible to argue that RS now has a team putting everything on the line for him, and for me that's the greatest area of improvement shown since MM left. In Kennedy and McAleny RS has signed 2 players with good ability to hold onto the ball and both show good movement which invariable makes them available to Whitts, in my opinion that's another area where we have improved.

Of course RS can succeed but it's also just as likely that he will fail, as would be the case for any replacement and the reason is VT, because in my opinion he was as responsible as anyone for last seasons relegation by time and again sticking his nose into "On the Field" matters and that has continued this season.

I'm not 100% against RS, but I am 100% against VT constantly sticking his nose into footballing matters and that's the worry because if ST sales don't pick up I can see VT reacting by sacking RS and then the whole demolition process involved with cost cutting will start again. Right now maybe stability will be better than change until at least the club has put itself within the requireMents of the FFP rules.

Tomorrow is another massive test and any sort of result would clearly show that we are turning a corner.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:47 am

Forever Blue wrote:" HAS OR WILL RUSSELL SLADE CHANGE THE DOUBTERS MINDS? "

Russell Slade has now won 3 consecutive away games :thumbright: :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

At home Slade has only won one in his last 9 league games.

Link viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142949 :thumbright:

Is the football improving?

Are you starting to believe in Slade?

Can Slade succeed ?

Are you still 100% against Slade?

Do you want Slade here next season?

HONEST ANSWER PLEASE? :thumbright: :thumbright:


1. Yes there has been improvement since the Blackburn game. Defensively we look much more organised.

2. Not sure I believe in Slade, and can't see us ever getting promotion under him

3. Never been 100% against him but thought he should've been sacked before the Blackburn game

4. I would like to see him replaced but realistically who is likely to come here? While we are cost cutting he's probably the best we will get. Would like to see more experience around him though.

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:48 am

Sorry I have NO DOUBT we are back to pre Dave Jones

Russell Slade has now won 3 consecutive away games :oops: Two of the games were teams at the start of the season we would have only accepted 3 points from anyhow because they are awful and Brentford was TWO GOALKEEPING errors that allowed us to score!!!

At home Slade has only won one in his last 9 league games. Most of this with HIS SIGNINGS who we all knew were mainly no better than what we already had and most of them left on the bench!!!!

Is the football improving? Yes if we were a Division 4 side.

Are you starting to believe in Slade? Stuck up for him at the beginning and I do like to listen to his press conferences as he genuinely believes in his ability........ but has to go sooner rather than later for a more dynamic young manager.

Can Slade succeed ? He would make Real Madrid a Mid table team.

Are you still 100% against Slade? Now I am

Do you want Slade here next season? No thank you

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:02 am

I don't like slade because the football is shit, we are often well down in the possession. I have seen 10 minute of real good football at City and that was 10 minutes against Charlton, the run up to the goal.

We have pace and width and it was great to watch, it look like someone had said to the team "Go on, you got 10 mins to use some skill and have fun"

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:04 am

No to all the above, hope it's not wishful thinking

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:59 pm

Forever Blue wrote:" HAS OR WILL RUSSELL SLADE CHANGE THE DOUBTERS MINDS? "

Russell Slade has now won 3 consecutive away games :thumbright: :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

At home Slade has only won one in his last 9 league games.

Link viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142949 :thumbright:

Is the football improving?

Are you starting to believe in Slade?

Can Slade succeed ?

Are you still 100% against Slade?

Do you want Slade here next season?

HONEST ANSWER PLEASE? :thumbright: :thumbright:



The passion and desire on the pitch has definitely improved the football.. Maybe ever so slightly but it's still piss poor.

He took on a sinking ship and imo survival was the only realistic goal. I'm willing to see what he can do on what I presume will be a relatively small budget this summer with no excuses about fitness or players etc. I think realistically we need to be in the mixer in the playoffs by next Christmas though it's time we lowered our expectations now our budget has lowered drastically.

Also it doesn't matter if want, we know he'll be here next year so let's get behind the team now we've got our colours back and survival is pretty much nailed on

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:03 pm

Is the football improving? Slightly, its now poor/slightly poor

Are you starting to believe in Slade? No

Can Slade succeed ? Yes, will he No

Are you still 100% against Slade? Yes

Do you want Slade here next season? I dont want him here now nevermind next season.

In summary an awful mananger

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:16 pm

I've always liked Slade as a person.

Always knew his management tactics were never going to set the pitch on fire but hoped (ad I think we've seen) that he would be able to stop the rot in our club and get the team to play well and play together.

Since he has had his team together we have seen marked improvements... not just in results but even when we lose games the boys don't give up any more and they always seem willing to fight for the full 90 minutes. something we had lost for a good while previously.

Under Ole the team had no direction, no passion and it didn't even seem like they were playing together...

I keep seeing people say it's just "one game" when we win but after three consecutive away wins they are still saying it... if you cannot see an improvement in the way we have been playing then you simply can't be watching the same matches. Next time we lose can we say "it's just one game, stop being so hard on him"?

Far too many of our "supporters" (using that term VERY loosely... in my definition of support you get behind the team.. and that includes the manager) were slating him before he'd even got here and were'n teven willing to give him a chance... they are FAR too quick to point out his failings (and yes, like everybody he does have some failings) without ever admitting that he has done things which have improved the team and got us some results.


Is the football improving? Yes. No question

Are you starting to believe in Slade? Believed in at least giving him a chance since the start (unlike some). He's not got things as good as they can be but we continue to see improvement

Can Slade succeed ? Maybe yes. He has brought the team together. it;s not definite either way but he needs support

Are you still 100% against Slade? Never. He's a part of the team.

Do you want Slade here next season? I wouldn't be heartbroken if he left... but I'd also be happy still if he was still here and had longer to work with and shape the team that he wants

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:22 pm

Slade the man is a great bloke. Slade the manager is not of the calibre required to push for improvement beyond mid table Championship in my opinion. He will need to go and be replaced as soon as possible without too much disruption. I'm not going to name the next manager (there are obvious candidates but it just muddies the waters). The club needs to seek out an able, relatively experienced leader. The sooner the better for me. Give the next guy the transfer window to bring in a couple (more ideally) to bolster the first XI.

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:32 pm

Who else is going to want to work under Tan?

It's wonderful wanting Slade out but who's coming in to work under Tan and turn things around with limited funds on a modest managers salary?

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:45 pm

Football has slightly improved.

I don't believe Slade will take us anywhere above mid table.

It depends on what is classed as succeeded? If to cut the wage bill and sign average players on less money while keeping the team in the league then he may just do that. If too succeed is promotion then no chance.

I wouldn't say I'm against him I just have no faith in him at all.

No don't want him here at all.

I don't think its a coincidence that since Trollope things have improved. He has worked at a higher level and looks for mare interactive on the touch line.

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:50 pm

I think where I struggle is other fans seem to think he is a nice guy and like him for that, I just see him as a poor second hand car type sales person who isnt very clever and talks nonsense.


blueminati wrote:Who else is going to want to work under Tan?

It's wonderful wanting Slade out but who's coming in to work under Tan and turn things around with limited funds on a modest managers salary?



Trollope a chance until the end of the season for me.

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:55 pm

2blue2handle wrote:Trollope a chance until the end of the season for me.

First person to put forward a realistic alternative. Everyone else is just kidding themselves someone else of any superior quality in terms of managerial ability is going to come in. We must accept that if Slade is to be replaced it will be a massive gamble on a rather inexperienced manager at this level.

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:00 pm

blueminati wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:Trollope a chance until the end of the season for me.

First person to put forward a realistic alternative. Everyone else is just kidding themselves someone else of any superior quality in terms of managerial ability is going to come in. We must accept that if Slade is to be replaced it will be a massive gamble on a rather inexperienced manager at this level.


I dont see us going up or down now if im honest, I think it would be an even bigger gamble going into next season with Slade as manager. He doesnt seem to like many of the players he signed in January so god knows what we would end up with after a summer of "rebuidling".

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:12 pm

1 home win in 2015!! just simply disgraceful! :wave:

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:15 pm

jamie ccfc bluebirds wrote:1 home win in 2015!! just simply disgraceful! :wave:


on the flip side of that. only two losses in the last nine games.

Re: " THE DOUBTERS? "

Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:21 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
blueminati wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:Trollope a chance until the end of the season for me.

First person to put forward a realistic alternative. Everyone else is just kidding themselves someone else of any superior quality in terms of managerial ability is going to come in. We must accept that if Slade is to be replaced it will be a massive gamble on a rather inexperienced manager at this level.


I dont see us going up or down now if im honest, I think it would be an even bigger gamble going into next season with Slade as manager. He doesnt seem to like many of the players he signed in January so god knows what we would end up with after a summer of "rebuidling".


I find myself agreeing with both of you. Slade is not the long-term answer. If Trollope is the difference then why not let him take the reins? The players seem to respond to him and at least there's some hwyl now.

Two years ago it seemed as if the world was at the feet of the club. There was such positivity and aspirations were high. The effect of having Capital City status looked destined to make Cardiff an attractive prospect for any player or manager. If Tan's money had been spent wisely on solid players, it could have been so different.

At least BLUE has been returned!! :bluescarf: