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' Realistic view of the prospect of the team '

Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:24 am

Now that we have Russell Slades' team, it is the time to assess where we are and likely to finish at the end of the season.We are at best a mid table team,the only quality players we have are Marshall, Manga, and Kenwynne.The new signings are mostly average with the the exception of Revell who I think is poor and has shown no threat apart from his one goal.
The team has shown some improvement but we are destined to remain a mid table championship team for the forseeable future and I cannot see Slade having the ability to inspire the team to challenge for the playoffs and I think he should go at the end of the season.
We need a Mick McCarthy who can manage and inspire players to play for him on no money.
Opinions please

Re: Realistic view of the prospect of the team

Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:37 am

Quakerman wrote:Now that we have Russell Slades' team, it is the time to assess where we are and likely to finish at the end of the season.We are at best a mid table team,the only quality players we have are Marshall, Manga, and Kenwynne.The new signings are mostly average with the the exception of Revell who I think is poor and has shown no threat apart from his one goal.
The team has shown some improvement but we are destined to remain a mid table championship team for the forseeable future and I cannot see Slade having the ability to inspire the team to challenge for the playoffs and I think he should go at the end of the season.
We need a Mick McCarthy who can manage and inspire players to play for him on no money.
Opinions please


Pretty much agree iwth you on all of that except that if Slade stays in charge we will be facing a relegation battle every season he's here.

Re: Realistic view of the prospect of the team

Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:49 am

I would say Slade needs another transfer window to fix the gaps he has been unable to.

The midfield is very weak and needs some serious surgery. A transfer window will tell us if Slade is up to it or not.

Re: Realistic view of the prospect of the team

Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:01 am

Bakedalasker wrote:I would say Slade needs another transfer window to fix the gaps he has been unable to.

The midfield is very weak and needs some serious surgery. A transfer window will tell us if Slade is up to it or not.


Pretty much agree with you, & I expect Slade Will get one more transfer window under his belt. The midfield issues have been plaguing us for far too long now, long before Slade even arrived, which beg the question why has our midfield been allowed to remain so "sterile" for so long?

Expect to see more major players leaving this Summer,,,I predict these to be leaving;
Fabio,
Manga,
Dikgacoi,
Jones,
Macheda,
Noone.
Along with the obvious departures of Maynard & Gabbidon, & most of the players currently out on loan, could Peter Wittingham also be on his way out?



As for the prospects of the current team set up...? No better than yesterday I'm afraid.

Re: Realistic view of the prospect of the team

Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:47 am

Slade won't get sacked if we stay up, no chance. So we might as well accept it and try to be optimistic, few more signings in the summer things could start looking up

Re: Realistic view of the prospect of the team

Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:56 am

Trouble is previous managers all thought witts gunners were no worse than what was around but its now obvious its not going to work unless witts is played in his prefered position its been about 5 yrs since that's happened! : but i suspect slade will have an idea what hes going to do in next window, wether that is good enough time will tell! :old:

Re: Realistic view of the prospect of the team

Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:02 pm

RICK+CCFC wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:I would say Slade needs another transfer window to fix the gaps he has been unable to.

The midfield is very weak and needs some serious surgery. A transfer window will tell us if Slade is up to it or not.


Pretty much agree with you, & I expect Slade Will get one more transfer window under his belt. The midfield issues have been plaguing us for far too long now, long before Slade even arrived, which beg the question why has our midfield been allowed to remain so "sterile" for so long?

Expect to see more major players leaving this Summer,,,I predict these to be leaving;
Fabio,
Manga,
Dikgacoi,
Jones,
Macheda,
Noone.
Along with the obvious departures of Maynard & Gabbidon, & most of the players currently out on loan, could Peter Wittingham also be on his way out?



As for the prospects of the current team set up...? No better than yesterday I'm afraid.


Agree to an extent. Also think Marshall will be on his way, and I wouldn't blame him if he did

Slade had a transfer window to sort out the midfield and failed miserably. What's the point of bringing in players who are never going to be selected ahead of Whittingham and Gunnarsson?

More League 1 and Championship back up players for next season and Slade's limited management ability means I can only see a season of struggle ahead. That's not being negative by the way, that's being realistic.

Re: Realistic view of the prospect of the team

Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:32 pm

We are now a victim of the hire and fire culture. Malky had 9 outfield players so had chance to gamble. He was from the division so knew of Whitts, Gunnar, Hudson, Cowie, Taylor, Kev, Marshall, ect and knew what he could do with them.

Remember on here there would be threads and threads about not having wingers, because he used wide midfielders to compact the midfield, this allowed one player the free role, in most cases that was Whitts in the QB role.

Ole didn't want wingers, again a compact midfield but the width came from the full backs. Brayford's end ball was better than kevs and fabio is class in that position.

Slade has turned up in his XR3i and the other great 80's icon a rigid 442 and brought in wingers and opened the middle of the park in a way that totally exposes the lack of mobility in gunnarson and especially Whitts. 442 is great if you have genuine wingers who can beat a man and get a cross in. 2 central midfielders who can get into the box late to get onto crosses. Our wingers don't get crosses in and Gunnar and Whitts are both sitting deep.

The squad is a mess. It is very slow, relatively unathletic and without a natural leader. It will cost us a lot to get rid of Macheda, fabio and Whitts

Re: Realistic view of the prospect of the team

Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:18 pm

llan bluebird wrote:We are now a victim of the hire and fire culture. Malky had 9 outfield players so had chance to gamble. He was from the division so knew of Whitts, Gunnar, Hudson, Cowie, Taylor, Kev, Marshall, ect and knew what he could do with them.

Remember on here there would be threads and threads about not having wingers, because he used wide midfielders to compact the midfield, this allowed one player the free role, in most cases that was Whitts in the QB role.

Ole didn't want wingers, again a compact midfield but the width came from the full backs. Brayford's end ball was better than kevs and fabio is class in that position.

Slade has turned up in his XR3i and the other great 80's icon a rigid 442 and brought in wingers and opened the middle of the park in a way that totally exposes the lack of mobility in gunnarson and especially Whitts. 442 is great if you have genuine wingers who can beat a man and get a cross in. 2 central midfielders who can get into the box late to get onto crosses. Our wingers don't get crosses in and Gunnar and Whitts are both sitting deep.

The squad is a mess. It is very slow, relatively unathletic and without a natural leader. It will cost us a lot to get rid of Macheda, fabio and Whitts


I don't agree,,,I think Slade has turned up in a Mk 4 Cortina 1600L myself.

Re: Realistic view of the prospect of the team

Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:52 pm

Probability is we will now stay up,thus Slade getting the credit for that.Therefore he will be entrusted to manage next season which in my opinion will be more of the same.
I imagine he will finally get sacked around November if we are languishing in the bottom half which at the moment seems highly likely.
Then the whole cycle begins again with another season wastes.

Re: Realistic view of the prospect of the team

Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:53 pm

That should say.....Another season wasted.

Re: Realistic view of the prospect of the team

Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:02 pm

RICK+CCFC wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:We are now a victim of the hire and fire culture. Malky had 9 outfield players so had chance to gamble. He was from the division so knew of Whitts, Gunnar, Hudson, Cowie, Taylor, Kev, Marshall, ect and knew what he could do with them.

Remember on here there would be threads and threads about not having wingers, because he used wide midfielders to compact the midfield, this allowed one player the free role, in most cases that was Whitts in the QB role.

Ole didn't want wingers, again a compact midfield but the width came from the full backs. Brayford's end ball was better than kevs and fabio is class in that position.

Slade has turned up in his XR3i and the other great 80's icon a rigid 442 and brought in wingers and opened the middle of the park in a way that totally exposes the lack of mobility in gunnarson and especially Whitts. 442 is great if you have genuine wingers who can beat a man and get a cross in. 2 central midfielders who can get into the box late to get onto crosses. Our wingers don't get crosses in and Gunnar and Whitts are both sitting deep.

The squad is a mess. It is very slow, relatively unathletic and without a natural leader. It will cost us a lot to get rid of Macheda, fabio and Whitts


I don't agree,,,I think Slade has turned up in a Mk 4 Cortina 1600L myself.



XR3i what the hell was I thinking- How about an Austin Allegro :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: ' Realistic view of the prospect of the team '

Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:17 pm

I'm still not certain we will stay up.

If slade is still in charge next season I think we will struggle badly.

Re: Realistic view of the prospect of the team

Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:33 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:We are now a victim of the hire and fire culture. Malky had 9 outfield players so had chance to gamble. He was from the division so knew of Whitts, Gunnar, Hudson, Cowie, Taylor, Kev, Marshall, ect and knew what he could do with them.

Remember on here there would be threads and threads about not having wingers, because he used wide midfielders to compact the midfield, this allowed one player the free role, in most cases that was Whitts in the QB role.

Ole didn't want wingers, again a compact midfield but the width came from the full backs. Brayford's end ball was better than kevs and fabio is class in that position.

Slade has turned up in his XR3i and the other great 80's icon a rigid 442 and brought in wingers and opened the middle of the park in a way that totally exposes the lack of mobility in gunnarson and especially Whitts. 442 is great if you have genuine wingers who can beat a man and get a cross in. 2 central midfielders who can get into the box late to get onto crosses. Our wingers don't get crosses in and Gunnar and Whitts are both sitting deep.

The squad is a mess. It is very slow, relatively unathletic and without a natural leader. It will cost us a lot to get rid of Macheda, fabio and Whitts


I don't agree,,,I think Slade has turned up in a Mk 4 Cortina 1600L myself.



XR3i what the hell was I thinking- How about an Austin Allegro :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:laughing6: With regards to your last sentence, it would cost a lot to get rid of the said players, but it would probably cost a lot more by allowing all of them to see their contracts. Vincent Tan has a proven track record in players mutual terminations, & I see this continuing through out the Summer, & well into next season. I believe that any player signed by both Malky & Ollie will be moved on, over the next six months or so.

Re: ' Realistic view of the prospect of the team '

Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:28 pm

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Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:30 pm

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Re: ' Realistic view of the prospect of the team '

Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:40 pm

There is no question that Slade is building a Division 1 team. He does not know any different and some of these comments he comes out with are an absolute joke. He clearly sees games in a different light from the vast majority of fans.

He has done his best to get rid of all the creativity and his prime threat is from a set piece. That's it!

Re: ' Realistic view of the prospect of the team '

Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:40 am

Slade will need to go before the end of this season in my opinion. I know that is way less than a full season and only 1 transfer window, but there are few signs that after the survival in this league, he is capable of doing better next year.

There are key players at the moment who could well leave if he stays (Marshall and KJ, ETC.). I don't mean to put RS down, but he has shown little in the way of inspiration and leadership as far as I am concerned.

At one time, I was ok with going down to the third tier, but now that The BLUEBIRDS are BLUE again, Championship is the correct league, not League One.

Have a look at the history of the club in the past 10 years. Now tell me where the club belongs before the next push for glory....

Re: ' Realistic view of the prospect of the team '

Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:27 am

Marshall and Manga are quality, but Kenwyne is very limited. Against Wolves he missed two good headers to score. He can't play on his own up front (Doyle could) because he is lazy and his movement is poor off the ball. I feel the future lied with youngsters like Kennedy , John and Ralls, but they need a manager who inspires them...Slade is not that manager.

Re: ' Realistic view of the prospect of the team '

Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:27 am

2blue2handle wrote:I'm still not certain we will stay up.

If slade is still in charge next season I think we will struggle badly.



we are luck that two teams have struggled so badly this season. Millwall are also being cut adrift as well. Though i think they still have a decent chance.

Wigans win on saturday gave them half a sniff, but away to Norwich tomorrow will see them fall further behind imo

Re: ' Realistic view of the prospect of the team '

Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:11 pm

I am sure he goes upstairs as sporting director at the end of the season and trollop will be promoted from head of the coaches to Head Coach.

The guys is on a really high "normal salary" and i think tan trusts him with HIS money.

Marshall, Manga, Gunnar and Noone will be gone. Whitts to see out his two years as he will not be easy to move on at his age and looks to have already peaked.

A few gambles on less expensive premier league rejected kids (prob in thier early 20's) will make me content.

Whitts & Chopra we reaching that point in thier career when they had to find thier feet outside the premier league, our sporting director should be identifying those players

Re: Realistic view of the prospect of the team

Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:07 pm

llan bluebird wrote:We are now a victim of the hire and fire culture. Malky had 9 outfield players so had chance to gamble. He was from the division so knew of Whitts, Gunnar, Hudson, Cowie, Taylor, Kev, Marshall, ect and knew what he could do with them.

Remember on here there would be threads and threads about not having wingers, because he used wide midfielders to compact the midfield, this allowed one player the free role, in most cases that was Whitts in the QB role.

Ole didn't want wingers, again a compact midfield but the width came from the full backs. Brayford's end ball was better than kevs and fabio is class in that position.

Slade has turned up in his XR3i and the other great 80's icon a rigid 442 and brought in wingers and opened the middle of the park in a way that totally exposes the lack of mobility in gunnarson and especially Whitts. 442 is great if you have genuine wingers who can beat a man and get a cross in. 2 central midfielders who can get into the box late to get onto crosses. Our wingers don't get crosses in and Gunnar and Whitts are both sitting deep.

You've hit the nail on the head. Formations are not inherently good or bad, but they don't work without the type of player needed to operate it

The squad is a mess. It is very slow, relatively unathletic and without a natural leader. It will cost us a lot to get rid of Macheda, fabio and Whitts

Re: ' Realistic view of the prospect of the team '

Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:30 pm

I think we might just about stay up . But we''ll finish bottom next season.