Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:41 pm
Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:58 pm
AJ1927 wrote:They have recently released a video showing the beheadings of around 21 Catholic Egyptians.
And they have posted a image of about 20/30 children in a cage in Orange jumpsuits and a naked flame in the forefront of the image.
What happens in the end? How do we fix this?
Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:07 am
Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:39 am
Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:16 am
Woodville Willie wrote:AJ1927 wrote:They have recently released a video showing the beheadings of around 21 Catholic Egyptians.
And they have posted a image of about 20/30 children in a cage in Orange jumpsuits and a naked flame in the forefront of the image.
What happens in the end? How do we fix this?
Alas, if I had the answer to this madness I would be rich enough to buy the club.
These extremists don't value all life as precious, even their own lives are currency to be exchanged for a perverse martyrdom.
I just hope that there is enough sanity to overcome it permanently.
Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:19 pm
Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:25 pm
Daniel_PT_blues wrote:It really is brutal and the sooner America and Britain realise that air strikes alone will not rid the world of Islamic State the better.
Although the part about the children in the cage isn't ISIS, it's a stunt by Syrian activists protesting about the killing of children by al-Assad
Only way I can see it working is by putting boots back on the ground in Iraq, and also in Syria
Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:14 pm
in my humble opinion, I think we should consentrate more on the threat in the UK from Muslims islamists whatever they are called, in this country, and leave the middle east shit for middle east country's to sort out. Country's like Jordan Saudi arabia ect have enough firepower to sort this shit out themselves. I'd prefer us to concentrate on the home front a bit more... The immediate threat to us. And whipe our hands with the middle east crap. We are just making it worse by constantly meddling. We should look no further than Europe IMO. Because that's where the real threat to us is. Let them fuking kill each other over there. It will eventually fizzle out.
Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:30 pm
Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:16 pm
Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:38 pm
Military Junta wrote:And if you listen to some anti-western viewpoints these bastards don't even exist!!! Can you imagine Miliband in charge of British interests against the likes of ISiS ?
Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:11 pm
Neath Bluebird wrote:Military Junta wrote:And if you listen to some anti-western viewpoints these bastards don't even exist!!! Can you imagine Miliband in charge of British interests against the likes of ISiS ?
Would be possibly better than Cameron in my opinion.
Let's just hope the tory / Ukip vote gets split and leaves Labour back in
Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:17 pm
Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:52 pm
Xcasual wrote:Daniel_PT_blues wrote:It really is brutal and the sooner America and Britain realise that air strikes alone will not rid the world of Islamic State the better.
Although the part about the children in the cage isn't ISIS, it's a stunt by Syrian activists protesting about the killing of children by al-Assad
Only way I can see it working is by putting boots back on the ground in Iraq, and also in Syria
Correct but don't forget the sympathisers in Britain ,We need to exterminate them also.And any apologists that live in Britain need to go/die. Simples
Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:33 pm
Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:00 pm
Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:21 am
Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:09 pm
alfie sherwood wrote:Every right thinking person wants to see IS destroyed as quickly as possible.
Their destruction has to come from other Middle Eastern countries though. Western intervention in that region ALWAYS creates more problems. The UK and US only ever get involved in that part of the globe to make rich western shareholders in the oil industry even wealthier.
I've read a few people suggest that more western air strikes and 'boots on the ground' will eliminate IS. Good luck with that! You can't simply destroy a warped ideology with bullets and bombs. Does anyone seriously think that impressionable young Muslim men and women living in the West won't be more of a threat to all of us if their 'brothers and sisters' are killed as martyrs?
We need to face facts that continuing with the same old failed Western tactics in the Middle East is madness and just endangers British lives at home and abroad.
There is also, of course, lots of hypocrisy surrounding our relationship with Saudi Arabia - a country that has beheaded more people than IS could dream of. Britain and the US also need to think long and hard about their role as chief apologists for Zionism and the related Israeli violence that goes with it.
Yep, IS are murderous bastards who need destroying by other Middle East countries but our own foreign policy in that part of the world is riddled with hypocrisy driven by balance sheet greed and we are all paying for that.
Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:37 pm
Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:45 pm
Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:53 pm
Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:22 pm
mr'mogreenz wrote:alfie sherwood wrote:Every right thinking person wants to see IS destroyed as quickly as possible.
Their destruction has to come from other Middle Eastern countries though. Western intervention in that region ALWAYS creates more problems. The UK and US only ever get involved in that part of the globe to make rich western shareholders in the oil industry even wealthier.
I've read a few people suggest that more western air strikes and 'boots on the ground' will eliminate IS. Good luck with that! You can't simply destroy a warped ideology with bullets and bombs. Does anyone seriously think that impressionable young Muslim men and women living in the West won't be more of a threat to all of us if their 'brothers and sisters' are killed as martyrs?
We need to face facts that continuing with the same old failed Western tactics in the Middle East is madness and just endangers British lives at home and abroad.
There is also, of course, lots of hypocrisy surrounding our relationship with Saudi Arabia - a country that has beheaded more people than IS could dream of. Britain and the US also need to think long and hard about their role as chief apologists for Zionism and the related Israeli violence that goes with it.
Yep, IS are murderous bastards who need destroying by other Middle East countries but our own foreign policy in that part of the world is riddled with hypocrisy driven by balance sheet greed and we are all paying for that.
And when we do decide to go into these countries, we only do a half arsed job anyway. 2 wars in Iraq and the place is a 100 times more dangerous now than it ever was when sadam was alive. 8 or so years in afghanistan, and as far as I can see, nothing has changed except there is a bigger terrorist threat around the world. And as for Syria, you only have to turn the news on to see how that's turned out. we never learn from our mistakes. I am a firm believer, that the best way to solve the middle east problems (mainly caused by western countries) is to let middle eastern countries deal with it themselves. They will either fix the problems, or it will fizzle out and come to a natural conclusion eventually. At least we won't be seen as the agressors
Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:25 pm
mr'mogreenz wrote:If coalition led forces do end up destroying this Isis outfit, then I can only see another group coming out of the shadows that will be even more ruthless and deranged. This is the problem we have. It will never end with the way we are going about things. It will only get worse. It wouldn't surprise me if there were a cue of different organisations waiting to take center stage after Isis are Finished. Just like Isis have taken over the baton from bin laden and Al-Qaeda