Kenwyne..a 60 minute player?

Kenwyne has been here a while now but he still can't seem to be effective for more than about 60 minutes.

Is he so unfit?

Is he still carrying an injury?

Too laid back?

In some ways I can understand why he doesn't start every game (though I would start him myself) as he never seems to be able to give a full 90 minute performance.

He does at least seem to be trying.

He worked hard yesterday, and was excellent first half, but as the game wore on he got less and less effective .

By the end he was getting outmuscled and not bothering to chase back.

He should have been subbed rather than Doyle.

Yesterday even in the 80th minute Jones was back defending, give him a run of games

been a 60 min for the last 10 years but he does try his socks off these days

to think he was labelled a donkey when he 1st arrived, was such a frustrating player.. ok ok we did lay tons and tons of expectation on him

but to think now he is more than likely our "best" player

Yesterday even in the 80th minute Jones was back defending, give him a run of games

He's never going to be fit enough to do what a striker needs to do these days over 90 Annis.

We were playing with 9 men for the last 20 minutes with Jones like rag doll and Whittingham unwilling to go in where it hurts.
No need to flog the guy to death.

He scores goals when he's fresh, and he had a great 1st half, but once he's spent he can't even hold onto the ball and that was the case yesterday.

Coming back to help out at corners doesn't change that.
What we needed yesterday was our strikers holding the ball up to take the pressure off.
The 2 target men just get in each other's way.

Yesterday even in the 80th minute Jones was back defending, give him a run of games

He's never going to be fit enough to do what a striker needs to do these days over 90 Annis.

We were playing with 9 men for the last 20 minutes with Jones like rag doll and Whittingham unwilling to go in where it hurts.
No need to flog the guy to death.

He scores goals when he's fresh, and he had a great 1st half, but once he's spent he can't even hold onto the ball and that was the case yesterday.

Coming back to help out at corners doesn't change that.
What we needed yesterday was our strikers holding the ball up to take the pressure off.
The 2 target men just get in each other's way.

Tim, regarding Whits I agree with you.

Regarding Jones,a few wks ago I would agree with you,but yest,I watched Jones get back defending in the second half.

If he plays we pay him over £40,000 a week, not worth it,but he is here and our top scorer.

Our team has only ever played for 45 mins under Slade.

Whats the answer?

Got slagged off recently for suggesting he couldnt last behond 1st half or 70 mins? He tries for so long then fades always has done this in most games upto now, glad others have similar view! yesterday was his best performance over longer period since he's been here and probably our M.O.M

Yesterday even in the 80th minute Jones was back defending, give him a run of games

He's never going to be fit enough to do what a striker needs to do these days over 90 Annis.

We were playing with 9 men for the last 20 minutes with Jones like rag doll and Whittingham unwilling to go in where it hurts.
No need to flog the guy to death.

He scores goals when he's fresh, and he had a great 1st half, but once he's spent he can't even hold onto the ball and that was the case yesterday.

Coming back to help out at corners doesn't change that.
What we needed yesterday was our strikers holding the ball up to take the pressure off.
The 2 target men just get in each other's way.

Tim, regarding Whits I agree with you.

Regarding Jones,a few wks ago I would agree with you,but yest,I watched Jones get back defending in the second half.

If he plays we pay him over £40,000 a week, not worth it,but he is here and our top scorer.

Our team has only ever played for 45 mins under Slade.

Whats the answer?

Probably more than 1 thing, but playing lads for 90 when they are out on their feet after 60 doesn't help.

But sometimes we are poor first half instead, maybe due to not having a settled side ?

We did well for the first 6-7 games when Slade first came in. Is it a coincidence he kept a settled team for that spell ?

Agree totally, goes missing after 60 mins.

Kenwyne is one of our best defenders from set pieces!

On one of the rare times we managed to attack in the second half however, the ball was played forward only for Kenwyne to be dawdling back from an offside position.

He's been so much better than last season but I still think he could do a lot more.

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Can't say that I saw Jones do any less work than Revell when he was brought on yesterday, as Revell also appeared to not be in the game throughout his 25 or so minutes cameo appearance!

I think the reason why neither player appeared to be involved in any notable offensive moves during the second half, was not that either of them were tired, merely that Slade isolated them up front and should have either left Doyle on the pitch, or play 5 men in the middle of the park, which earned us more possession the previous game!

I certainly would have taken Jones off after the 60 minute or so mark yesterday, but not because he looked tired, merely that it looked to me like he'd become ineffective as an offensive outlet, due to him getting constantly fouled, the one-eyed referee giving us very little and Jones himself allowing the defenders to bully him somewhat, instead of putting himself about and trying to bully them back!

Clearly there's a lot of people voting for him in the MOTM viewtopic.php?f=2&t=154560 and the Player Of The Month awards viewtopic.php?f=2&t=154463, who don't agree with some posters in this thread as well!

He's not getting all these votes for 60 minute performances!

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Can't say that I saw Jones do any less work than Revell when he was brought on yesterday, as Revell also appeared to not be in the game throughout his 25 or so minutes cameo appearance!

I think the reason why neither player appeared to be involved in any notable offensive moves during the second half, was not that either of them were tired, merely that Slade isolated them up front and should have either left Doyle on the pitch, or play 5 men in the middle of the park, which earned us more possession the previous game!

I certainly would have taken Jones off after the 60 minute or so mark yesterday, but not because he looked tired, merely that it looked to me like he'd become ineffective as an offensive outlet, due to him getting constantly fouled, the one-eyed referee giving us very little and Jones himself allowing the defenders to bully him somewhat, instead of putting himself about and trying to bully them back!

Clearly there's a lot of people voting for him in the MOTM viewtopic.php?f=2&t=154560 and the Player Of The Month awards viewtopic.php?f=2&t=154463, who don't agree with some posters in this thread as well!

He's not getting all these votes for 60 minute performances!

The reason he was ineffective and being bullied was because he was knackered.
He was struggling to get back inside, losing battles on the deck and then letting the ball winner run away from him.
He's a very big lad and an impact player.

As for Revell he hardly saw the ball and again ended up chasing his own knock down whilst Kenwyne was trying to get back inside. He needs to play with a different type of striker, he linked well with Harris at Norwich. Waste of time playing the 2 big men together.
He was also unlucky to be on the erin side of 2 shit free kick decisions.
By the way, the red was a terrible homer and the pitch was the worst ive seen since Blackpool 2 years back.

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Can't say that I saw Jones do any less work than Revell when he was brought on yesterday, as Revell also appeared to not be in the game throughout his 25 or so minutes cameo appearance!

I think the reason why neither player appeared to be involved in any notable offensive moves during the second half, was not that either of them were tired, merely that Slade isolated them up front and should have either left Doyle on the pitch, or play 5 men in the middle of the park, which earned us more possession the previous game!

I certainly would have taken Jones off after the 60 minute or so mark yesterday, but not because he looked tired, merely that it looked to me like he'd become ineffective as an offensive outlet, due to him getting constantly fouled, the one-eyed referee giving us very little and Jones himself allowing the defenders to bully him somewhat, instead of putting himself about and trying to bully them back!

Clearly there's a lot of people voting for him in the MOTM viewtopic.php?f=2&t=154560 and the Player Of The Month awards viewtopic.php?f=2&t=154463, who don't agree with some posters in this thread as well!

He's not getting all these votes for 60 minute performances!

The reason he was ineffective and being bullied was because he was knackered.
He was struggling to get back inside, losing battles on the deck and then letting the ball winner run away from him.
He's a very big lad and an impact player.

As for Revell he hardly saw the ball and again ended up chasing his own knock down whilst Kenwyne was trying to get back inside. He needs to play with a different type of striker, he linked well with Harris at Norwich. Waste of time playing the 2 big men together.
He was also unlucky to be on the erin side of 2 shit free kick decisions.
By the way, the red was a terrible homer and the pitch was the worst ive seen since Blackpool 2 years back.

I don't agree he was knackered, as IMO he just allowed the defenders to get to him and as he got no protection or decent decisions from the referee (like most of our players yesterday), I just felt he began to sulk!

I felt he did this very early in the game and whilst I agree with you that the 2 big men don't work and Revell hardly saw the ball when he came on, neither did Jones!

This goes back to what I said in my earlier post, in that I believe Slade should have taken Jones off for Revell and not Doyle and if Doyle was tired or needed to be kept fresher for Tuesday, then Slade should have brought on a midfielder like Adeyemi (who I personally think deserves a longer run in the team) and put him in a 5 man midfield. as we did against Derby!

Kenwyne Jones is at Cardiff City to score goals... other players can do the running around - Nathan Blake

It was great to see Kenwyne Jones back in Cardiff City’s Championship starting line-up for the first time in almost a month – and he celebrated with a 13th goal of the season.

He’s scored seven in his last 10 appearances and that’s an outstanding record for a team in the lower half of the table.

I’ve heard all the talk about how Kenwyne needs to be more of a 90-minute player, to be charging around the pitch all the time challenging here, there and everywhere.

But that’s not what Cardiff City need him to be doing.

Kenwyne’s game is all about winning physical challenges, scoring goals and being a nightmare for opposing defenders in the air. His approach is not like, say, Duncan Ferguson, who did tend to put himself about.

Kenwyne can help the Bluebirds by doing what he does best – and that is to be a focal point in attack.

Asking a big guy of 6ft 4ins tall to run around all over the place is a typical British attitude. Why? That’s putting square pegs in round holes and doesn’t work. Kenwyne works hard, he puts in a shift, but football is not just about graft. There is far more to it and Kenwyne has the experience and knowhow to make teams he comes up against uncomfortable.
Other players in the team will be there to add the running and put themselves about in various areas of the pitch.

In my view, Kenwyne gets unfair press. Because his style can be a bit languid some people think he doesn’t care enough.

He cares a lot and is extremely effective for the team.

In my opinion Kenwyne has been Cardiff’s best player this season. No question. Thirteen goals in a struggling team says it all.

Cardiff don’t have another players in the group who could play a similar role to him and score the goals he does.

The Bluebirds are fortunate to have him in their team - and he’ll play a big part in ensuring City finish in a respectable Championship position.

Let’s hope City stick with Kenwyne and Eoin Doyle in attack against Brighton. They at least provide goals potential and could prove to be a useful combination.

The key, of course, is that a 1-1 draw at Sheffield Wednesday only becomes a good result if Cardiff win at home to Brighton.

They have a starting point, nothing more. After four successive defeats it was important to come up with something more positive and that’s what Russell Slade and his players have done.
Cardiff’s performance was half decent at Hillsborough and now we need to see a little more at home. The playing surface at Wednesday was poor, but it always is at this time of year. The pitch cuts up badly, but it was the same for both teams and Cardiff will have a far better pitch to play on at home.

He's so inconsistent but he's an aerial presence we miss when he's off. I think him and Doyle could form quite a decent strike partnership. I'm not sure Revell justifies starting ahead of Jones right now because say what you want about Jones but he does get goals.