' Discontent in our Squad/Team '

Slade has been quoted saying that Fabio,Declan John,Macheda,Le Fondre etc are involved in his future plans,yet some players get 10mins,20mins,some hardly ever feature.

Last night Le Fondre saying viewtopic.php?f=2&t=153553

Plus I very well know players like Fabio,Declan John,dont know whether they are coming or going.

Just look at all the recent lot of players that have left and all have said they were never given a chance.

Also,I spoke to two of our players and they have said they are thankful that our fans are now united and behind them but that some players can never understand why they are played out of position.

Look if we were winning our games,then these players would not have a right to moan,but we are not only playing dire but have won only once in our last 8 league games and that was against Fulham on the day we got our Blue back.

Also how come our team can play for 45mins and then never for another 45mins under Slade?

Slade never made excuses when he was on his winning run,when he first arrived did he?

Slade has to bring unity now within our squad ASAP

Must be hard for two natural left backs to sit on the bench watching Connolly playing full back and the other full back (brayford) play on a side not natural to him, while they warm the bench.

I know Fabio has had a couple of questionable defensive displays but surely he has learnt his lesson now, get him back on the pitch, I always thought that him and brayford playing together could cause defensive headaches for any opposition as the attack the flanks.

So much uncertainty.

Can you imagine working at a workplace where a new owner comes in and decides to reassess the workforce. First thing come to peoples mind is "Am I going to lose my job". No different to a football team.

Until we have a baseline in the squad then things are going to be unstable.

What ever happened to Burgstaller?

What ever happened to Burgstaller?

Gavin, another mystery?

I'm not surprised there is discontent Annis because like Andy Legg said last night RS inherited a gifted squad and is bit by bit destroying it. His tactics are also highly questionable and last night was another classic example of him getting it absolutely wrong.

At a time when we are desperate to get a result away from home we fetch up at a club pushing the automatics and play with a midfield diamond formation. This against a team on a good run at Home and known to play 4-4-2 with established wide players with pace. One thing that is certain from a midfield "Diamond" formation is, because of the narrow position of the middle 2, will be to create acres of space for opposition players to run into. Both goals came from attacks in these wide spaces and although they were on Connollys side I don't blame him because he had little or no support in front of him. For Brayford, playing out of position, it was even worse but it's credit to him that he kept going. No surprise to me is that both our fullbacks were booked.

But the worst decision RS has made is to use Craig Noone at the forward point of the diamond, Noone is not now or, in my opinion, ever likely to have the technical ability or vision to play that role properly. Nothing against Noone he has done well for us but he needs to be wide in a midfield 4 to get the best out of him.

We ALL know we had the perfect player for the "Number 10" role in Daehli, but he was ignored and forced out of the club and the ONLY player in our squad with both the technical ability and vision to pick a pass is Whittingham, but Slade has him narrow in the middle two of the diamond and he is looking lost.

We STILL have a decent bunch of players in our squad but in RS we don't have a manager to galvanise them, organise them and get then running through walls for him. I still believe a good experienced Championship manager would get us firmly in the top 10 of this division, even now maybe pushing the playoffs, but with RS no chance absolutely no chance.

We are well and truely looking over our shoulders and in real danger of getting dragged into a relegation dog fight.

We may be back to blue but we are now on the slide to oblivion as a result and as I predicted. Only signing a donkey like Peltier so we can get some cash for Brayford. Desperate for a decent striker and midfield general but can't see them coming in. Relegation is on the cards but that is only the beginning. Of the end.

So much uncertainty.

Can you imagine working at a workplace where a new owner comes in and decides to reassess the workforce. First thing come to peoples mind is "Am I going to lose my job". No different to a football team.

Until we have a baseline in the squad then things are going to be unstable.

So much uncertainty??? Very much so,,,,& its all from the top, right down to the very bottom.

Mark my words, all this uncertainty is going to have a massive influence on next season's season ticket sales, as much impact as if we were still playing at home in red.

Unless a massive improvement is made on & off the pitch, next season we will be down to 12.000 crowds, or less.

Boy has our club gone backwards in such a short space of time!!!

What ever happened to Burgstaller?

When we signed him I honestly thought "we've signed a Championship player here". We get relegated to the Championship and where is he? We need wide players! Is there stuff we aren't seeing on the training pitch and behind the scenes or is this all simply money-orientated?

lets wait until this window closes.

IMO - We are playing games with fabio and want him gone, but we want him gone without costing us much. If he is still here after the window closes and he is still on the bench, well i will give up on Slade.

Half our squad don't know where they'll be in two weeks, of course morale will be low.....

I am not a doom merchant, we will be safe mid table, finding out if O'Sullivan will make it in the championship

lets wait until this window closes.

IMO - We are playing games with fabio and want him gone, but we want him gone without costing us much. If he is still here after the window closes and he is still on the bench, well i will give up on Slade.

Half our squad don't know where they'll be in two weeks, of course morale will be low.....

I am not a doom merchant, we will be safe mid table, finding out if O'Sullivan will make it in the championship

It's not this season I am afraid of (it's already gone) it's next season and the one after that.

On paper next season we will be one of the 3 fancied to go down if it carries on at this rate

Can't say I'm surprised.

Here's a list of players who aren't getting regular games, other than subs:

Manga (gets dropped half the time even though he's our best defender)
John
Kim
Macheda (used to play, not much anymore)
Fabio
Ralls
Maynard
Burgstaller

That's 8 players right there. Add on Le Fondre to that list and you've got nine.

Pilkington to come back in. Will Noone struggle to get in then? It will be ten either way - Pilkington, Harris or Noone will be sat on the bench.

So there's 10 players in a Championship squad that will only get 20mins in the odd game.

There's bound to be no squad harmony.

Look what our team could be like at the end of the window, if current rumours are true:

Moore
Peltier Morrison Turner Malone
Pilkington Whittingham Gunnarsson Adeyemi Harris
Revell


Is that a team that will get many results? I don't think so. Especially with the lack of fight in our squad.

We may be 11 points off the bottom three now. But our next two league games are Derby at home and Sheff Wed away, I can't see us picking up any points there. Most teams below us now have a game in hand as well.

We are in big trouble.

to be honest with you
having Slade run a championship team fighting to get back to the premiership
is like having
Ronald McDonald cook a meal for a royal banquet

the guy has not got a clue
players playing out of position
players of them positions left on the bench while they watch their team mate, flop about like a fish out of water
players sold lent out that should of been given a chance with the club
players being brought in from lower leagues that cant get in their own sides, ok we would all like to find that odd one that turns out to be a prince, but lets face it were gold medallists at kissing the frog's.

Division one next season.
#Slade out

I dont think Declan John is good enough, people hyped him as he was alocal kid who broke through for a season. Fabio is a enigma for me, I think defensively he actually doesnt help us one bit, and puts strain on his centre halves and holding midfielder , but going forward hes top quality in this league.

Fabio is a wing back really, i wouldnt mind seeing him in the role downing plays for west ham, i think he could be dangerous.

but its easy to say that when i dont watch them train every day, and dont hear first hand what the manager wants out of them whist training and playing.

Kims got to go, he reminds me of kagawa at united, always flattered to deceive even though you knew there was a player inside there somewhere.

If we were playing against Maynard id let the tea lady mark him, never been good enough.

Burgstaller...I have no idea whats happened. absolute mystery

Cannot wait for the end of the season.

I think one of the biggest things that will come out of all this will be a lack of renewal for season tickets.
The Blue is fantastic but the football & circus surrounding us continues & although I don't think there will be as many not renewing as the NoBlueNoRenew campaign, I can still see thousands giving up their ST's due to the continued dross etc. etc.

I'm not surprised there is discontent Annis because like Andy Legg said last night RS inherited a gifted squad and is bit by bit destroying it. His tactics are also highly questionable and last night was another classic example of him getting it absolutely wrong.

At a time when we are desperate to get a result away from home we fetch up at a club pushing the automatics and play with a midfield diamond formation. This against a team on a good run at Home and known to play 4-4-2 with established wide players with pace. One thing that is certain from a midfield "Diamond" formation is, because of the narrow position of the middle 2, will be to create acres of space for opposition players to run into. Both goals came from attacks in these wide spaces and although they were on Connollys side I don't blame him because he had little or no support in front of him. For Brayford, playing out of position, it was even worse but it's credit to him that he kept going. No surprise to me is that both our fullbacks were booked.

But the worst decision RS has made is to use Craig Noone at the forward point of the diamond, Noone is not now or, in my opinion, ever likely to have the technical ability or vision to play that role properly. Nothing against Noone he has done well for us but he needs to be wide in a midfield 4 to get the best out of him.

We ALL know we had the perfect player for the "Number 10" role in Daehli, but he was ignored and forced out of the club and the ONLY player in our squad with both the technical ability and vision to pick a pass is Whittingham, but Slade has him narrow in the middle two of the diamond and he is looking lost.

We STILL have a decent bunch of players in our squad but in RS we don't have a manager to galvanise them, organise them and get then running through walls for him. I still believe a good experienced Championship manager would get us firmly in the top 10 of this division, even now maybe pushing the playoffs, but with RS no chance absolutely no chance.

We are well and truely looking over our shoulders and in real danger of getting dragged into a relegation dog fight.

Gary, A good manager would get the best out of the squad,there was and still is a lot of talent,just needs being managed properly

I think most have us had seen enough a while ago. I agree with Thomas in that a competent Championship manager would have created a performing unit from this inherited squad.

Saw this link on Mike's earlier on and it really says it all when Orient fans are confirming what we are now seeing. Forget transfer windows, 'transitional periods' and other excuses - we need a competent manager who is proven at this level - with immediate effect.

Here's the link. Read it and weep.

http://leytonorientforum.co.uk/topic705 ... 3aa3dea6f2

I think most have us had seen enough a while ago. I agree with Thomas in that a competent Championship manager would have created a performing unit from this inherited squad.

Saw this link on Mike's earlier on and it really says it all when Orient fans are confirming what we are now seeing. Forget transfer windows, 'transitional periods' and other excuses - we need a competent manager who is proven at this level - with immediate effect.

Here's the link. Read it and weep.

http://leytonorientforum.co.uk/topic705 ... 3aa3dea6f2

Only goes to confirm what I was told by a Sheffield Utd fan. Slade started well with them (apparently) but nose dived fast.

Like I said before, RS is "out of his league", & even Vincent Tan is going to have to admit to his mistake. This shouldn't be to much of a problem though, considering how many other people he has moved on at our club. I just hope he doesn't leave it too late again!

I think most have us had seen enough a while ago. I agree with Thomas in that a competent Championship manager would have created a performing unit from this inherited squad.

Saw this link on Mike's earlier on and it really says it all when Orient fans are confirming what we are now seeing. Forget transfer windows, 'transitional periods' and other excuses - we need a competent manager who is proven at this level - with immediate effect.

Here's the link. Read it and weep.

http://leytonorientforum.co.uk/topic705 ... 3aa3dea6f2

Only goes to confirm what I was told by a Sheffield Utd fan. Slade started well with them (apparently) but nose dived fast.

Like I said before, RS is "out of his league", & even Vincent Tan is going to have to admit to his mistake. This shouldn't be to much of a problem though, considering how many other people he has moved on at our club. I just hope he doesn't leave it too late again!

It needs to happen immediatly Rick as its plain to all that this isn't working.

Changing the Manager at this time would be like re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

The club is rotten from top to bottom. Tan has made the fatal mistake of believing a football club can be run like any other business. So he kicked out anyone with football knowledge and replaced them with a bunch of accountants and managers from his other businesses - as you would expect the decisions they have made have been disastrous.

The sacking of Solksjaer marked the time Tan gave up trying to fund a return to the Premier League and began to limit the massive scale of losses the club has been experiencing. Every player knows they are up for sale if the price is right. Several of the more skilful players have already been flogged or loaned out. Those remaining literally don't know if they are coming or going. The club has no football philosophy or recognisable style of play. Morale among the players must be at an all-time low and its showing on the pitch.

Russell Slade and Scott Young have been thrown into this mess and predictably have been found to be completely out of their depth. However I think any Manager would have struggled given the absolute mess Tan has created at the football club. I agree Slade needs to go, but his replacement will also face an impossible job in my view. The only long-term solution is for a change of ownership of the club. But who is going to take on a failing Championship side with a reported £150m debt?

Changing the Manager at this time would be like re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

The club is rotten from top to bottom. Tan has made the fatal mistake of believing a football club can be run like any other business. So he kicked out anyone with football knowledge and replaced them with a bunch of accountants and managers from his other businesses - as you would expect the decisions they have made have been disastrous.

The sacking of Solksjaer marked the time Tan gave up trying to fund a return to the Premier League and began to limit the massive scale of losses the club has been experiencing. Every player knows they are up for sale if the price is right. Several of the more skilful players have already been flogged or loaned out. Those remaining literally don't know if they are coming or going. The club has no football philosophy or recognisable style of play. Morale among the players must be at an all-time low and its showing on the pitch.

Russell Slade and Scott Young have been thrown into this mess and predictably have been found to be completely out of their depth. However I think any Manager would have struggled given the absolute mess Tan has created at the football club. I agree Slade needs to go, but his replacement will also face an impossible job in my view. The only long-term solution is for a change of ownership of the club. But who is going to take on a failing Championship side with a reported £150m debt?

Good post. Who would want to work for VT now???

We fans don't understand what is going on with Slade and his tactics/ team selection etc and for the players to be in the same boat really worries me. We are now getting closer to the bottom 3 and if this joker carries on we will be doing a Southampton/Norwich and Wolves it, they never thought it could happen !!!! Get someone decent in quickly before it is too late.

Fabio,Declan John,Macheda,Le Fondre someone having a laugh,they have all had a fair crack of the whip

Changing the Manager at this time would be like re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

The club is rotten from top to bottom. Tan has made the fatal mistake of believing a football club can be run like any other business. So he kicked out anyone with football knowledge and replaced them with a bunch of accountants and managers from his other businesses - as you would expect the decisions they have made have been disastrous.

The sacking of Solksjaer marked the time Tan gave up trying to fund a return to the Premier League and began to limit the massive scale of losses the club has been experiencing. Every player knows they are up for sale if the price is right. Several of the more skilful players have already been flogged or loaned out. Those remaining literally don't know if they are coming or going. The club has no football philosophy or recognisable style of play. Morale among the players must be at an all-time low and its showing on the pitch.

Russell Slade and Scott Young have been thrown into this mess and predictably have been found to be completely out of their depth. However I think any Manager would have struggled given the absolute mess Tan has created at the football club. I agree Slade needs to go, but his replacement will also face an impossible job in my view. The only long-term solution is for a change of ownership of the club. But who is going to take on a failing Championship side with a reported £150m debt?

I have to agree with you

I think one of the biggest things that will come out of all this will be a lack of renewal for season tickets.
The Blue is fantastic but the football & circus surrounding us continues & although I don't think there will be as many not renewing as the NoBlueNoRenew campaign, I can still see thousands giving up their ST's due to the continued dross etc. etc.

Yes I agree, many still wont renew as they feel our club is going backwards,not forwards. There will be a lot who now renew because of the Blue back,but I dont see more than 12,000 renewing at this current rate.

Can't say I'm surprised.

Here's a list of players who aren't getting regular games, other than subs:

Manga (gets dropped half the time even though he's our best defender)
John
Kim
Macheda (used to play, not much anymore)
Fabio
Ralls
Maynard
Burgstaller

That's 8 players right there. Add on Le Fondre to that list and you've got nine.

Pilkington to come back in. Will Noone struggle to get in then? It will be ten either way - Pilkington, Harris or Noone will be sat on the bench.

So there's 10 players in a Championship squad that will only get 20mins in the odd game.

There's bound to be no squad harmony.

Look what our team could be like at the end of the window, if current rumours are true:

Moore
Peltier Morrison Turner Malone
Pilkington Whittingham Gunnarsson Adeyemi Harris
Revell


Is that a team that will get many results? I don't think so. Especially with the lack of fight in our squad.

We may be 11 points off the bottom three now. But our next two league games are Derby at home and Sheff Wed away, I can't see us picking up any points there. Most teams below us now have a game in hand as well.

We are in big trouble.

Huge trouble, that back 4 is horrific and suicidal

discontent in our squad/team, for got to add fans

I went to the Fulham game, my first for years, and was amazed how poor we seemed. Fulham looked terrible mind. I think it's going to take a while for the rot to stop, just because Tan did the right thing with the kit doesn't mean the issues within the club and fan base are resolved straight away. It takes a while to build a solid foundation and we are nowhere near one, possibly still in free fall. We might just stay up but plenty have slipped straight through thus league as it's tough from the top to the bottom. We've had our only important result for this season lads.

The players dont look interested they clearly dont want to be here , some ole's signings didnt want to be here Lefondre even said that he wanted to stay at Reading but they couldnt afford him what an attertude clearly a player who has had more chances than any player in our squad and doesnt want to be here.

A clear out is needed the players can thank themselves to be honest , managers get the blame and get sacked all the time
but sometimes we need to look at the players