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" You can't have it all..... "

Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:36 am

'I would rather play in blue in League 2 than spend another day in red'

That was the phrase that was continually repeated on this message board for the last couple of years.
Well that's exactly what we are going to get, Slade is selling off the players he can and buying a makeshift team on what appears to be a tight budget.

Malone, sold by Holloway because he was part of a leaky defence.
Reveal was out of contract at Rotherham.
This Peltier coming in to potentially replace Brayford who maybe on his way out. (Why not bring kev back)
Le Fondre according to Carl, maybe about to move on.
We all know the Marshall rumours....

Some of the above has happened, some in speculative, I'm just making the point that, this is the way it is as part of a football club without financial handouts from a billionaire owner.

Many wanted Tan out, or said f**k investment just give us our blue back.

Well the cynic in my is saying that Tan has put in place a manager he can control, and we'd better get used to penny pinching and selling players considered assets.
(Not that it has happened yet)

We have been lucky so far that nobody has come in our more reliable players (do we have any?) It wouldn't surprise me to see a good few young players or on the flip side championship journeymen arriving at the club in the next couple of seasons.


None of our players look ready for a relegation battle, not enough heart, let's hope the fans are!

Are we as a club now starring into the abyss, no investment, mountains of debt to an owner scorned and a relegation battle a real possibility???

Time for the fans to step up to the plate, wonder how many will pay a tenner for a Reading ticket?






Be careful what you wish for........


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Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:40 am

Colour was never the most important thing for me. Some of those claiming they'd prefer blue in Div 2 don't even attends games whilst some of us endure crappy football home and away at the moment.

I want to watch half decent football and I don't hold a shirt colour above that.

Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:45 am

Well now we are back in Blue I have spent £10 on a Cup Ticket, Why? because that's what we do as fans affect what we can affect and that means support the team. Through thick and thin and there will be many who like me have done that for decades so it's easier to understand that these are thin times. But it's at times like these that the team needs it's fans, like those 100 or so who made the trip last night ALL an absolute credit to the club.

As regards the owners current policy of cutting cost the question is with another season of Championship football, at best, on the horizon then with FFP rules to adhere to he would be failing massively if the club wasn't actively doing ALL it could to reduce costs.

No one could have any doubt that the players being signed will be earning dramatically less than those being shipped out, and I have no problem with that, as long as they have the work ethic of Revell what else can we ask for. We need players with his type of work ethic, players like Ben Turner, Matt Connolly and Tom Adeyemi and I hope RS gets a few more in before the window closes.

I have a feeling Peltier is not being signed with the intention of playing RB, far more likely he will be used as the holding midfield player we desperately need, he can play there and that's where, in my opinion, he needs to be used.

We need a team of battlers to keep us from getting dragged into the relegation fight and for me it doesn't matter if they come from the Premier League or League 2, battlers on thier CV, that's the number 1 criteria for me not how much they cost or how much we pay them.

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Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:51 am

castleblue wrote:Well now we are back in Blue I have spent £10 on a Cup Ticket, Why? because that's what we do as fans affect what we can affect and that means support the team. Through thick and thin and there will be many who like me have done that for decades so it's easier to understand that these are thin times. But it's at times like these that the team needs it's fans, like those 100 or so who made the trip last night ALL an absolute credit to the club.

As regards the owners current policy of cutting cost the question is with another season of Championship football, at best, on the horizon then with FFP rules to adhere to he would be failing massively if the club wasn't actively doing ALL it could to reduce costs.

No one could have any doubt that the players being signed will be earning dramatically less than those being shipped out, and I have no problem with that, as long as they have the work ethic of Revell what else can we ask for. We need players with his type of work ethic, players like Ben Turner, Matt Connolly and Tom Adeyemi and I hope RS gets a few more in before the window closes.

I have a feeling Peltier is not being signed with the intention of playing RB, far more likely he will be used as the holding midfield player we desperately need, he can play there and that's where, in my opinion, he needs to be used.

We need a team of battlers to keep us from getting dragged into the relegation fight and for me it doesn't matter if they come from the Premier League or League 2, battlers on thier CV, that's the number 1 criteria for me not how much they cost or how much we pay them.

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It appears that Malone and Revell were 275k well spent, I agree with what you say, it's a case of running contracts down now, the likes of Kenwyne on super high wages must be moved on any way possible.
The club needs to reset from its premier league hangover.

Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:56 am

Gavin wrote:
castleblue wrote:Well now we are back in Blue I have spent £10 on a Cup Ticket, Why? because that's what we do as fans affect what we can affect and that means support the team. Through thick and thin and there will be many who like me have done that for decades so it's easier to understand that these are thin times. But it's at times like these that the team needs it's fans, like those 100 or so who made the trip last night ALL an absolute credit to the club.

As regards the owners current policy of cutting cost the question is with another season of Championship football, at best, on the horizon then with FFP rules to adhere to he would be failing massively if the club wasn't actively doing ALL it could to reduce costs.

No one could have any doubt that the players being signed will be earning dramatically less than those being shipped out, and I have no problem with that, as long as they have the work ethic of Revell what else can we ask for. We need players with his type of work ethic, players like Ben Turner, Matt Connolly and Tom Adeyemi and I hope RS gets a few more in before the window closes.

I have a feeling Peltier is not being signed with the intention of playing RB, far more likely he will be used as the holding midfield player we desperately need, he can play there and that's where, in my opinion, he needs to be used.

We need a team of battlers to keep us from getting dragged into the relegation fight and for me it doesn't matter if they come from the Premier League or League 2, battlers on thier CV, that's the number 1 criteria for me not how much they cost or how much we pay them.

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It appears that Malone and Revell were 275k well spent, I agree with what you say, it's a case of running contracts down now, the likes of Kenwyne on super high wages must be moved on any way possible.
The club needs to reset from its premier league hangover.


Kenwynne Jones and Nicky Maynard are both out of contract in the summer so both will be gone I've no doubt about that, unless this Talk of Maynard going to Huddersfield is true. Hopefully if Maynard does go to Huddersfield it will not be a loan deal where we still pay a big slice of his wages.

Manga, Le Fondre, Macheda and Fabio will not be long at the club either as they are probably on silly money.


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Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:06 am

Yes. I would rather be blue in Div 2.

Yes, the football is shite

Yes, not happy with performance

Yes, I'm allowed to moan about it.

Yes, I'm buying a ticket for the cup match!

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:17 am

Gavin, I went to Norwich & Boro and the football continues to be dire under Slade,but I felt proud again to watch my club in Blue :thumbright: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: their rightful identity,what Tan took of us in the first place. As to the football, from day one has been dire under Slade anyway, so I dont understand your statement?

The Club will never be right or run properly by the current Regime anyway,my opinion has never changed on that matter.

Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:18 am

Forever Blue wrote:Gavin, I went to Norwich & Boro and the football continues to be dire under Slade,but I felt proud again to watch my club in Blue :thumbright: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: The football from day one has been dire under Slade anyway, so I dont understand your statement?

The Club will never be right or run properly by the current Regime anyway,my opinion has never changed on that matter.



Correct

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Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:23 am

eddiep wrote:Yes. I would rather be blue in Div 2.

Yes, the football is shite

Yes, not happy with performance

Yes, I'm allowed to moan about it.

Yes, I'm buying a ticket for the cup match!

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:



Well Said Eddie :thumbright: :bluescarf: Ive just travelled through the night,got home 3.30am after watching dire football once again,but this has been happening last season & this season under the current Regime.

Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:26 am

Forever Blue wrote:Gavin, I went to Norwich & Boro and the football continues to be dire under Slade,but I felt proud again to watch my club in Blue :thumbright: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: their rightful identity,what Tan took of us in the first place. As to the football, from day one has been dire under Slade anyway, so I dont understand your statement?

The Club will never be right or run properly by the current Regime anyway,my opinion has never changed on that matter.


I guess what I am trying to say Annis, is the days of bringing in top players that make an instant impact are over. People moaning about that standard of player being brought it should accept the fact that we will not be bringing in household names (or retaining them) for a while.

Also in regards to your loyalty and commitment to the club, there is no doubting it.

Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:29 am

Gavin wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Gavin, I went to Norwich & Boro and the football continues to be dire under Slade,but I felt proud again to watch my club in Blue :thumbright: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: their rightful identity,what Tan took of us in the first place. As to the football, from day one has been dire under Slade anyway, so I dont understand your statement?

The Club will never be right or run properly by the current Regime anyway,my opinion has never changed on that matter.


I guess what I am trying to say Annis, is the days of bringing in top players that make an instant impact are over. People moaning about that standard of player being brought it should accept the fact that we will not be bringing in household names (or retaining them) for a while.

Also in regards to your loyalty and commitment to the club, there is no doubting it.



Gavin, Tan had decided from the minute he got rid of Ole, that all the big spending was going to stop, on that front I can understand,but at least give us a manager who can manage?

As to loyalty Cheers,Ive seen worst days than this on the pitch :thumbright: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:30 am

The only thing I'm asking for is Tan gets himself in a position where he can sell and move on.

If that means league one or two or even the Conference so be it. I can't see it getting that bad, I have a feeling we will survive in the Championship although next season could be a bit touchy.

Summing up I'm not bothered providing we return to what we are.

Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:44 am

Bakedalasker wrote:The only thing I'm asking for is Tan gets himself in a position where he can sell and move on.

If that means league one or two or even the Conference so be it. I can't see it getting that bad, I have a feeling we will survive in the Championship although next season could be a bit touchy.

Summing up I'm not bothered providing we return to what we are.



Well the Club should be prepared for Thousands not renewing tickets to watch the current regime.

Whatever price they pitch them at people won't buy as they want value for money :ayatollah:

I know more fans that don't go anymore than ones who do and it's only going to get worse. People move on to other things and once they do it will take a lot to get them back.

Maybe we can move in with the egg heads as 6000 in their ground is better than 6000 in ours :bluescarf:

Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:45 am

Unfortunately we cannot have our cake and eat it, Tan for all his faults has to bring financial stability to this club, he spent big in the Premier League gamble and failed, he brought in a lot of good quality players on the advice of the previous manager to try and get an immediate return to the Premier League and that has failed.
Now he has to cut costs dramatically under FFP, Slade is here now and has to be given until the end of the season to clear out all the big earners and hopefully get in a couple more players that will as a prority keep us in this division(all hopes of a play off place have gone).
Look at teams like Bournemouth and Ipswich who have no money, it shows that under the right manager who is given time to build his own team can achieve success.
We need to support Slade and the team, the boys are back in blue, I will be going to the Reading game and renewing my ST whatever division we are in as will many.

Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:47 am

Pulisnewport wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:The only thing I'm asking for is Tan gets himself in a position where he can sell and move on.

If that means league one or two or even the Conference so be it. I can't see it getting that bad, I have a feeling we will survive in the Championship although next season could be a bit touchy.

Summing up I'm not bothered providing we return to what we are.



Well the Club should be prepared for Thousands not renewing tickets to watch the current regime.

Whatever price they pitch them at people won't buy as they want value for money :ayatollah:

I know more fans that don't go anymore than ones who do and it's only going to get worse. People move on to other things and once they do it will take a lot to get them back.

Maybe we can move in with the egg heads as 6000 in their ground is better than 6000 in ours :bluescarf:


Agree.

The return to blue wont stop the drop in attendances if this carries on. It will stem the flow with the die hards staying but I think Tan is in for a shock.

Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:56 am

Bakedalasker wrote:
Pulisnewport wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:The only thing I'm asking for is Tan gets himself in a position where he can sell and move on.

If that means league one or two or even the Conference so be it. I can't see it getting that bad, I have a feeling we will survive in the Championship although next season could be a bit touchy.

Summing up I'm not bothered providing we return to what we are.



Well the Club should be prepared for Thousands not renewing tickets to watch the current regime.

Whatever price they pitch them at people won't buy as they want value for money :ayatollah:

I know more fans that don't go anymore than ones who do and it's only going to get worse. People move on to other things and once they do it will take a lot to get them back.





Maybe we can move in with the egg heads as 6000 in their ground is better than 6000 in ours :bluescarf:


Agree.



The return to blue wont stop the drop in attendances if this carries on. It will stem the flow with the die hards staying but I think Tan is in for a shock.



My party consisted of 6 but since MM went for a number of reasons it's down to 2 this season. As for next season my son informs me he does not want to go anymore as he thinks the buzz has gone in actually watching the team.

That leaves me going on my own and at the current time I don't feel what I am seeing is good enough to make the sacrifice. Don't get me wrong I don't mind cheaper players and grafters, we had that under DJ and we played some good stuff. However some of this lot don't even want to be at the club or even play for us? As for the Management team Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I will probably wait until the last minute but if the price is too high then it's time for pastures new after a very long time :ayatollah:

Re: " You can't have it all..... "

Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:23 am

for me, at the moment I am paying for the kind of quality there is in L1 & L2 so that should be reflected on the price of match tickets?

I always ask my dad if he wants to go with me first, at the moment it's odds on he won't bother as he is right when he says, why should I pay £30 for that?

Re: " You can't have it all..... "

Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:26 am

ThomasC wrote:for me, at the moment I am paying for the kind of quality there is in L1 & L2 so that should be reflected on the price of match tickets?

I always ask my dad if he wants to go with me first, at the moment it's odds on he won't bother as he is right when he says, why should I pay £30 for that?


I recall Tan saying if the customers want ot see top quality football they will have to pay for it.

Well the ball is in his court now.

Re: " You can't have it all..... "

Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:28 am

The excuses are starting to flow now for not renewing from the same people who used the rebrand as there excuse ,just face it there s a lot of fans who have jumped on the bandwagon over there last few years and now we are nt so good just can't be bothered ,the real city fans would renew whatever we are like on the pitch

Re: " You can't have it all..... "

Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:34 am

wez1927 wrote:The excuses are starting to flow now for not renewing from the same people who used the rebrand as there excuse ,just face it there s a lot of fans who have jumped on the bandwagon over there last few years and now we are nt so good just can't be bothered ,the real city fans would renew whatever we are like on the pitch


Agree100% :bluescarf:

Re: " You can't have it all..... "

Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:36 am

We can have it all! We can be blue, cost cut, appoint a hungry, ambitious, young manager, and bring in young, hungry players. It's worked for Bournemouth and Brentford, and look how well Rowett is doing at Birmingham, on a far smaller budget than us! It's about time we stopped living beyond our means and built a hungry team the fans can be proud of. However, Russell Slade is not the man to do it.

Re: " You can't have it all..... "

Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:37 am

£12 for some of us! lol

But I've still got mine

Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:53 am

eddiep wrote:Yes. I would rather be blue in Div 2.

Yes, the football is shite

Yes, not happy with performance

Yes, I'm allowed to moan about it.

Yes, I'm buying a ticket for the cup match!

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Spot on. The fact that we are back in blue DOESNT mean that we cannot criticise anything to do with the club now. :bluescarf: :laughing6:

Re: " You can't have it all..... "

Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:36 am

I'm not against cost cutting either, but the manager is not an up and coming manager is he !!! He's bringing in players he knows well like a comfort blanket, Slade is a joke.

Re: " You can't have it all..... "

Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:40 am

CHRIS PIKE wrote:I'm not against cost cutting either, but the manager is not an up and coming manager is he !!! He's bringing in players he knows well like a comfort blanket, Slade is a joke.


You mean Live Malone and Revell who've been excellent for us so far?

Re: " You can't have it all..... "

Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:47 am

wez1927 wrote:The excuses are starting to flow now for not renewing from the same people who used the rebrand as there excuse ,just face it there s a lot of fans who have jumped on the bandwagon over there last few years and now we are nt so good just can't be bothered ,the real city fans would renew whatever we are like on the pitch



Ill be buying a season ticket for next season after boycotting the last two seasons because of the rebrand. There are plenty of others like me. It's the sense of identity that's important not the results ( though its nice from time to time to have success) , started supporting city in the lower divisions and will do it again if that transpires. The premier league 'dream' was a nightmare for me. In my mind we weren't the club I've supported since a boy, just some franchised contrived wurzel lookalike club! My new dream will be of seeing city get back to the prem ( one day), doing it the right way, in blue, financially secure with an element of fan ownership. That's maybe a pipe dream but that's what being a city fan is all about. :bluescarf:

Re: You can't have it all.....

Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:17 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Gavin wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Gavin, I went to Norwich & Boro and the football continues to be dire under Slade,but I felt proud again to watch my club in Blue :thumbright: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: their rightful identity,what Tan took of us in the first place. As to the football, from day one has been dire under Slade anyway, so I dont understand your statement?

The Club will never be right or run properly by the current Regime anyway,my opinion has never changed on that matter.


I guess what I am trying to say Annis, is the days of bringing in top players that make an instant impact are over. People moaning about that standard of player being brought it should accept the fact that we will not be bringing in household names (or retaining them) for a while.

Also in regards to your loyalty and commitment to the club, there is no doubting it.



Gavin, Tan had decided from the minute he got rid of Ole, that all the big spending was going to stop, on that front I can understand,but at least give us a manager who can manage?

As to loyalty Cheers,Ive seen worst days than this on the pitch :thumbright: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:




As have many of us but where as in them days we could liven things up with a ruck now we've gotta sit and watch, parks football isn't that much worse than what's being served up atm. The shirt colour doesn't hide the standard of football being served up although it's good to see the blue.

Re: " You can't have it all..... "

Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:34 pm

Ive been thinking,why cant we have our true identity and a chairman who backs our club? Why does it have to be,if you accept your identity to be changed,I will back the club?

Other clubs dont get that problem. :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: " You can't have it all..... "

Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:39 pm

hopefully hes gna walk away in the summer annis cos as you say if hes not gna back the club now we're back blue why bother being here at all

Re: " You can't have it all..... "

Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:48 pm

I would take what we have now over our Premier League season in red, any day.