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" ANOTHER AVENUE CLOSED "

Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:41 pm

Ched Evans: Ministry of Justice rules out overseas move

Convicted rapist Ched Evans will not be allowed to resume his career overseas, the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) has said.

Evans left prison in October after serving half of a five-year term for raping a woman in a hotel in May 2011.
On Friday, Maltese side Hibernians said they wanted to sign the Wales international striker, 26, on a deal until the end of the season.

But an MoJ spokesperson said strict conditions imposed on sex offenders "effectively rules out working abroad".
The spokesperson added: "We are determined to have one of the toughest regimes in the world for managing sex offenders, to stop them reoffending and to protect victims.

"Probation officers must give permission for sex offenders on licence to take up new jobs and this includes ensuring they hold regular face to face meetings - this effectively rules out working abroad.

"The offenders will also be subject to strict conditions such as exclusion zones, non-contact orders and having to attend sex offender treatment programmes."

Clarification of the MoJ's stance comes amid disputed reports that Evans had been offered the chance to play for Hibernians.
The Maltese club's vice-president Stephen Vaughan said an offer had been made to the ex-Sheffield United striker, but on Saturday a spokesman for Evans denied that claim.

"There have been numerous false stories, and stories of which Ched knows nothing about, of which this is one," Evans's spokesman said.

Vaughan had said on Friday: "We've spoken to his agent and have offered a deal from now until the end of the season."

Hibernians are 15 points clear at the top of Malta's domestic league, having dropped only two points in 16 games.
The champions of Malta will enter next season's Champions League at the second qualifying round.

Evans played for Sheffield United at the time of his conviction and, after his release from prison, was given permission to use the League One club's training facilities. The Blades later retracted their offer after strong opposition from some supporters and club patrons.

More than 165,000 people signed a petition opposing Evans's possible re-employment by the Yorkshire club.
Hartlepool boss Ronnie Moore stated in December he would like to sign the forward before the Football League's bottom club ruled out any such move.

Evans maintains his innocence, and an investigation into his conviction by the Criminal Cases Review Commission is under way.

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Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:31 pm

Poor bloke first he gets framed by some old slapper with a history of crying rape, does his bird, and still people get on his case and don't even allow him to ply his trade of kicking a ball.

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Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:41 pm

Daya wrote:Poor bloke first he gets framed by some old slapper with a history of crying rape, does his bird, and still people get on his case and don't even allow him to ply his trade of kicking a ball.


It's an absolute disgrace. He done his time, he should be able to carry on with his career. If Lee Hughes can still play after what he did, then so should Evans.

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Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:17 pm

Daya wrote:Poor bloke first he gets framed by some old slapper with a history of crying rape, does his bird, and still people get on his case and don't even allow him to ply his trade of kicking a ball.


If he is innocent then he is in a very difficult situation.

He shows no remorse and rightly so if he is innocent. That will go against him as he is still carrying the guilty cross. If he showed remorse then the guilty cross will be firmly nailed to him but his chances of returning to football would slightly improve with slightly being the operative word here.

The best that could happen for him is he is proved innocent and his situation would go from very to just difficult.

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Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:57 pm

I honestly think his conviction will be overturned and then everyone slating him will look like right bell ends!


I followed the case quite closely and how he was ever charged is beyond me.

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Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:51 pm

Mardon89 wrote:I honestly think his conviction will be overturned and then everyone slating him will look like right bell ends!


I followed the case quite closely and how he was ever charged is beyond me.
I agree ,how is it ok for one to get away with it and not the other

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Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:03 pm

Never known someone be victimised as much as he has! Crazy! As others also said, based on the evidence from the court case, I think he'll be proven not guilty eventually. Overturn the original ruling and then he'll sue the CPS for millions!

Stopping him working abroad is crazy, which means the UK would rather have him on the dole for the rest of his life if they are preventing him from going back to work!

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Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:57 pm

We stop Rapists from working abroad whilst we allow Rapist and Murderers to come into this Country :o Our country is fooked up I tell you.

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:10 am

Nuclearblue wrote:We stop Rapists from working abroad whilst we allow Rapist and Murderers to come into this Country :o Our country is fooked up I tell you.


Agree, it's about time we got our own country back and rule it ourselves. Don't you agree?

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:40 am

Ray Bishop wrote:
Daya wrote:Poor bloke first he gets framed by some old slapper with a history of crying rape, does his bird, and still people get on his case and don't even allow him to ply his trade of kicking a ball.


It's an absolute disgrace. He done his time, he should be able to carry on with his career. If Lee Hughes can still play after what he did, then so should Evans.


He hasn't done his time, he's still serving it, just on licence this being the reasoning on why he can't go abroad.

None of us were there, none of us personally know the girl involved. He was found guilty, in this of the law he is guilty. We are all free to move to other countries with a different justice system.

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:03 pm

Apparently Oldham interested in him now! :old:

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:23 pm

If he is innocent then he should be using every waking hour trying to prove it. The fact is that he is a convicted rapist who hasn't completed his sentence yet. As such, he shouldn't be treated any differently to other released offenders.

Interesting that the victim is referred to as a slapper. It takes 2 to tango. He is just as dubious at best for going to that hotel room with her in the first place.

The scars of sexual assault are deep and never really go away. Why should his victim have to witness the perpetrator enjoying the high life?

There I said it. Cue the ridicule from some clueless numpty.

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:31 pm

Woodville Willie wrote:If he is innocent then he should be using every waking hour trying to prove it. The fact is that he is a convicted rapist who hasn't completed his sentence yet. As such, he shouldn't be treated any differently to other released offenders.

Interesting that the victim is referred to as a slapper. It takes 2 to tango. He is just as dubious at best for going to that hotel room with her in the first place.

The scars of sexual assault are deep and never really go away. Why should his victim have to witness the perpetrator enjoying the high life?

There I said it. Cue the ridicule from some clueless numpty.


You mean queue someone with a different opinion than you?

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:38 pm

Woodville Willie wrote:If he is innocent then he should be using every waking hour trying to prove it. The fact is that he is a convicted rapist who hasn't completed his sentence yet. As such, he shouldn't be treated any differently to other released offenders.

Interesting that the victim is referred to as a slapper. It takes 2 to tango. He is just as dubious at best for going to that hotel room with her in the first place.

The scars of sexual assault are deep and never really go away. Why should his victim have to witness the perpetrator enjoying the high life?

There I said it. Cue the ridicule from some clueless numpty.




In case you didn't know he has appealed to court of appeal which is ongoing :thumbup:

Wonder if people retract their abuse of him if he wins which as high probability of happening as they have fast tracked it which is unusual! (Not because he's a footballer) :thumbup:

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:42 pm

What I can't understand regardless of guilt or innocence is that two player one Lee Hughes the other a goalkeeper(can't remember his name) who killed people in car accidents were allowed back in the game, without half the uproar that this has caused.

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:42 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:If he is innocent then he should be using every waking hour trying to prove it. The fact is that he is a convicted rapist who hasn't completed his sentence yet. As such, he shouldn't be treated any differently to other released offenders.

Interesting that the victim is referred to as a slapper. It takes 2 to tango. He is just as dubious at best for going to that hotel room with her in the first place.

The scars of sexual assault are deep and never really go away. Why should his victim have to witness the perpetrator enjoying the high life?

There I said it. Cue the ridicule from some clueless numpty.


You mean queue someone with a different opinion than you?



No I mean what I said. Ched is guilty as it stands. Until he is found otherwise, in the eyes of the law he is a convicted rapist. Not an opinion, fact.

Unless anyone can post anything concrete on here and thus prove him innocent, he remains a convicted sex offender. He wouldn't be allowed to return to teaching, the police force, etc. so why should he be allowed to travel abroad to dodge his responsibility?

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:45 pm

Woodville Willie wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:If he is innocent then he should be using every waking hour trying to prove it. The fact is that he is a convicted rapist who hasn't completed his sentence yet. As such, he shouldn't be treated any differently to other released offenders.

Interesting that the victim is referred to as a slapper. It takes 2 to tango. He is just as dubious at best for going to that hotel room with her in the first place.

The scars of sexual assault are deep and never really go away. Why should his victim have to witness the perpetrator enjoying the high life?

There I said it. Cue the ridicule from some clueless numpty.


You mean queue someone with a different opinion than you?




No I mean what I said. Ched is guilty as it stands. Until he is found otherwise, in the eyes of the law he is a convicted rapist. Not an opinion, fact.

Unless anyone can post anything concrete on here and thus prove him innocent, he remains a convicted sex offender. He wouldn't be allowed to return to teaching, the police force, etc. so why should he be allowed to travel abroad to dodge his responsibility?


Some believe he is innocent and with good reason. Lets face it our judical system is not perfect is it.

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:49 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:If he is innocent then he should be using every waking hour trying to prove it. The fact is that he is a convicted rapist who hasn't completed his sentence yet. As such, he shouldn't be treated any differently to other released offenders.

Interesting that the victim is referred to as a slapper. It takes 2 to tango. He is just as dubious at best for going to that hotel room with her in the first place.

The scars of sexual assault are deep and never really go away. Why should his victim have to witness the perpetrator enjoying the high life?

There I said it. Cue the ridicule from some clueless numpty.




In case you didn't know he has appealed to court of appeal which is ongoing :thumbup:

Wonder if people retract their abuse of him if he wins which as high probability of happening as they have fast tracked it which is unusual! (Not because he's a footballer) :thumbup:


I am aware of the appeal thanks Allan. :thumbup:

I hope I am not being accused of throwing abuse. All I am doing is stating the facts and if Ched is cleared then I will be the first to wish him well and express sympathy for his situation. Until then, he is guilty and therefore not allowed to travel abroad until he has fully served the terms of his release conditions.

Just saying.

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:05 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:If he is innocent then he should be using every waking hour trying to prove it. The fact is that he is a convicted rapist who hasn't completed his sentence yet. As such, he shouldn't be treated any differently to other released offenders.

Interesting that the victim is referred to as a slapper. It takes 2 to tango. He is just as dubious at best for going to that hotel room with her in the first place.

The scars of sexual assault are deep and never really go away. Why should his victim have to witness the perpetrator enjoying the high life?

There I said it. Cue the ridicule from some clueless numpty.


You mean queue someone with a different opinion than you?




No I mean what I said. Ched is guilty as it stands. Until he is found otherwise, in the eyes of the law he is a convicted rapist. Not an opinion, fact.

Unless anyone can post anything concrete on here and thus prove him innocent, he remains a convicted sex offender. He wouldn't be allowed to return to teaching, the police force, etc. so why should he be allowed to travel abroad to dodge his responsibility?


Some believe he is innocent and with good reason. Lets face it our judical system is not perfect is it.


What good reason? If there is a good reason, help him out and get the conviction overturned. Instinctive doubt is of no use.

While I agree that our judicial system isn't perfect, it is about as good as it gets. We don't have the death penalty for a start. In many countries, he would already have been executed. If there has been a miscarriage of justice, at least he will be alive to see his name cleared.

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:18 pm

Woodville Willie wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:If he is innocent then he should be using every waking hour trying to prove it. The fact is that he is a convicted rapist who hasn't completed his sentence yet. As such, he shouldn't be treated any differently to other released offenders.

Interesting that the victim is referred to as a slapper. It takes 2 to tango. He is just as dubious at best for going to that hotel room with her in the first place.

The scars of sexual assault are deep and never really go away. Why should his victim have to witness the perpetrator enjoying the high life?

There I said it. Cue the ridicule from some clueless numpty.


You mean queue someone with a different opinion than you?




No I mean what I said. Ched is guilty as it stands. Until he is found otherwise, in the eyes of the law he is a convicted rapist. Not an opinion, fact.

Unless anyone can post anything concrete on here and thus prove him innocent, he remains a convicted sex offender. He wouldn't be allowed to return to teaching, the police force, etc. so why should he be allowed to travel abroad to dodge his responsibility?


Some believe he is innocent and with good reason. Lets face it our judical system is not perfect is it.


What good reason? If there is a good reason, help him out and get the conviction overturned. Instinctive doubt is of no use.

While I agree that our judicial system isn't perfect, it is about as good as it gets. We don't have the death penalty for a start. In many countries, he would already have been executed. If there has been a miscarriage of justice, at least he will be alive to see his name cleared.


Great post! We have a better legal system than 99% of countries that i am personally aware of, i cant comment on those i'm not aware of. People moan about how lax our system is and how many people are let off each year. But now this happens, all of a sudden its not that lax at all. A jury of Joe Public found him guilty with the evidence provided during the trial. So he is guilty in the eyes of the law.

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:29 pm

np20 wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:If he is innocent then he should be using every waking hour trying to prove it. The fact is that he is a convicted rapist who hasn't completed his sentence yet. As such, he shouldn't be treated any differently to other released offenders.

Interesting that the victim is referred to as a slapper. It takes 2 to tango. He is just as dubious at best for going to that hotel room with her in the first place.

The scars of sexual assault are deep and never really go away. Why should his victim have to witness the perpetrator enjoying the high life?

There I said it. Cue the ridicule from some clueless numpty.


You mean queue someone with a different opinion than you?




No I mean what I said. Ched is guilty as it stands. Until he is found otherwise, in the eyes of the law he is a convicted rapist. Not an opinion, fact.

Unless anyone can post anything concrete on here and thus prove him innocent, he remains a convicted sex offender. He wouldn't be allowed to return to teaching, the police force, etc. so why should he be allowed to travel abroad to dodge his responsibility?


Some believe he is innocent and with good reason. Lets face it our judical system is not perfect is it.


What good reason? If there is a good reason, help him out and get the conviction overturned. Instinctive doubt is of no use.

While I agree that our judicial system isn't perfect, it is about as good as it gets. We don't have the death penalty for a start. In many countries, he would already have been executed. If there has been a miscarriage of justice, at least he will be alive to see his name cleared.


Great post! We have a better legal system than 99% of countries that i am personally aware of, i cant comment on those i'm not aware of. People moan about how lax our system is and how many people are let off each year. But now this happens, all of a sudden its not that lax at all. A jury of Joe Public found him guilty with the evidence provided during the trial. So he is guilty in the eyes of the law.


:thumbup:

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:02 pm

I am not one to defend a convicted rapist. Obviously all rapes are totally wrong regardless of the morals / behaviour of the alleged victim. That said there is always a question of degree. If you look at the facts of the case it is not at all clearcut. There is a good article in the Sunday Times today which outlines the facts:
It appears that at about 4am the girl involved invited herself to go back to the hotel for sex with CEs best mate, but she was too drunk to recall exactly what happened. They had only met a short time beforehand. That said, allegedly CE later entered the room and took advantage of the girls drunken state to have sex with her. She was not in a state to give permission. So CE behaved totally wrongly in doing that. He was subsequently convicted and has served 2 1/2 years in prison. Read the article for the facts as reported. Based on the article, I think it will be a close call if his appeal against conviction was successful.
In my view I think CEs behaviour was totally out of order. But he has served his time and should now be allowed to try to pursue his career.

On a related point on the front page of the paper there is a headline right next to the CE story about Prince Andrew. It is alleged that his billionaire friend had an underage girl who he procured for Prince Andrew to have sex with in various locations and who was effectively treated as a sex slave in the slave traficking industry. Andrew denies it. Wheras CE.s case has everyone up in arms,it seems that there was under the counter bargaining that took place in this case various people in high office ensured that the story is effectively gagged. For me this stinks. If true, the allegations are worse than the CE story and yet where the higher echeleons of our society are involved the full facts never seem to come out until after culprits etc are dead and buried. :thumbup:

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:12 pm

Lengee wrote:I am not one to defend a convicted rapist. Obviously all rapes are totally wrong regardless of the morals / behaviour of the alleged victim. That said there is always a question of degree. If you look at the facts of the case it is not at all clearcut. There is a good article in the Sunday Times today which outlines the facts:
It appears that at about 4am the girl involved invited herself to go back to the hotel for sex with CEs best mate, but she was too drunk to recall exactly what happened. They had only met a short time beforehand. That said, allegedly CE later entered the room and took advantage of the girls drunken state to have sex with her. She was not in a state to give permission. So CE behaved totally wrongly in doing that. He was subsequently convicted and has served 2 1/2 years in prison. Read the article for the facts as reported. Based on the article, I think it will be a close call if his appeal against conviction was successful.
In my view I think CEs behaviour was totally out of order. But he has served his time and should now be allowed to try to pursue his career.

On a related point on the front page of the paper there is a headline right next to the CE story about Prince Andrew. It is alleged that his billionaire friend had an underage girl who he procured for Prince Andrew to have sex with in various locations and who was effectively treated as a sex slave in the slave traficking industry. Andrew denies it. Wheras CE.s case has everyone up in arms,it seems that there was under the counter bargaining that took place in this case various people in high office ensured that the story is effectively gagged. For me this stinks. If true, the allegations are worse than the CE story and yet where the higher echeleons of our society are involved the full facts never seem to come out until after culprits etc are dead and buried. :thumbup:



Great post. I don't necessarily agree with you on him being allowed to work as a footballer again, but as long as it is within the confines of the law, then so be it but I for one wouldn't want him playing for my club or country. The comparison with the story about Prince Andrew is frightening. If it ever transpires that the allegations are true, it could open a huge can of worms!

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Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:35 pm

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