Ex Cardiff City Coach Speaks Out - did work for your man tan

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he is spot on, and if i owned the club id expect to do anything i want to it to, especially if i put in 150m. if we put as much effort into moaning as we do into cheering th players on at games (which is all we can actually effect) then we might geta bit more out of our players

he is spot on, and if i owned the club id expect to do anything i want to it to, especially if i put in 150m. if we put as much effort into moaning as we do into cheering th players on at games (which is all we can actually effect) then we might geta bit more out of our players

So you agree that the club will survive with no fans?

he is spot on, and if i owned the club id expect to do anything i want to it to, especially if i put in 150m. if we put as much effort into moaning as we do into cheering th players on at games (which is all we can actually effect) then we might geta bit more out of our players

So you agree that the club will survive with no fans?

it seems he holds one of two thoughts: either he's arrogant enough to believe the fans will renew regardless of what crap he makes them put up with.

or he doesn't care that they renew or not.

it seems this coach's attitude reverberates around the club, and its no surprise that tan, sitting in malaysia, thinks its business as usual with puppets like him reporting back to him.

he is spot on, and if i owned the club id expect to do anything i want to it to, especially if i put in 150m. if we put as much effort into moaning as we do into cheering th players on at games (which is all we can actually effect) then we might geta bit more out of our players

So you agree that the club will survive with no fans?

it seems he holds one of two thoughts: either he's arrogant enough to believe the fans will renew regardless of what crap he makes them put up with.

or he doesn't care that they renew or not.

it seems this coach's attitude reverberates around the club, and its no surprise that tan, sitting in malaysia, thinks its business as usual with puppets like him reporting back to him.

if tan is willing to put all this money in yes, any club can survive without fans, i think you vastly overestimate how much fans income generates comapred to tv money and tans 150mil!

ill renew, i always will but thats just me

he is spot on, and if i owned the club id expect to do anything i want to it to, especially if i put in 150m. if we put as much effort into moaning as we do into cheering th players on at games (which is all we can actually effect) then we might geta bit more out of our players

So you agree that the club will survive with no fans?

it seems he holds one of two thoughts: either he's arrogant enough to believe the fans will renew regardless of what crap he makes them put up with.

or he doesn't care that they renew or not.

it seems this coach's attitude reverberates around the club, and its no surprise that tan, sitting in malaysia, thinks its business as usual with puppets like him reporting back to him.

if tan is willing to put all this money in yes, any club can survive without fans, i think you vastly overestimate how much fans income generates comapred to tv money and tans 150mil!

ill renew, i always will but thats just me

no, i am actually well aware of how little the income from gate receipts is in football nowadays. in the PL around 80% of the income of a small club is from TV money. in the championship it won't be that extreme, but i am well aware that tan could easily hold out even if the attendance fell to 10,000.

however, try selling a club with 10,000 disgruntled fans as opposed to 25,000 passionate fans who buy lots of merchandise. you'll get a much lower price, thats where tan loses out ultimately.

he is spot on, and if i owned the club id expect to do anything i want to it to, especially if i put in 150m. if we put as much effort into moaning as we do into cheering th players on at games (which is all we can actually effect) then we might geta bit more out of our players

So you agree that the club will survive with no fans?

it seems he holds one of two thoughts: either he's arrogant enough to believe the fans will renew regardless of what crap he makes them put up with.

or he doesn't care that they renew or not.

it seems this coach's attitude reverberates around the club, and its no surprise that tan, sitting in malaysia, thinks its business as usual with puppets like him reporting back to him.

if tan is willing to put all this money in yes, any club can survive without fans, i think you vastly overestimate how much fans income generates comapred to tv money and tans 150mil!

ill renew, i always will but thats just me

So what about the financial fair play rules?

Just because he worked at the club doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about.

he is spot on, and if i owned the club id expect to do anything i want to it to, especially if i put in 150m. if we put as much effort into moaning as we do into cheering th players on at games (which is all we can actually effect) then we might geta bit more out of our players

So you agree that the club will survive with no fans?

it seems he holds one of two thoughts: either he's arrogant enough to believe the fans will renew regardless of what crap he makes them put up with.

or he doesn't care that they renew or not.

it seems this coach's attitude reverberates around the club, and its no surprise that tan, sitting in malaysia, thinks its business as usual with puppets like him reporting back to him.

if tan is willing to put all this money in yes, any club can survive without fans, i think you vastly overestimate how much fans income generates comapred to tv money and tans 150mil!

ill renew, i always will but thats just me

no, i am actually well aware of how little the income from gate receipts is in football nowadays. in the PL around 80% of the income of a small club is from TV money. in the championship it won't be that extreme, but i am well aware that tan could easily hold out even if the attendance fell to 10,000.

however, try selling a club with 10,000 disgruntled fans as opposed to 25,000 passionate fans who buy lots of merchandise. you'll get a much lower price, thats where tan loses out ultimately.

But surely this is an argument not to boycott ? Don't we really need 25000 all screaming for BLUE ? Surely that would serve the dual purpose of showing Tan that it is the "vocal minority" against red and demonstrate the passion/potential to prospective owners ?

He's actually a coach for the National Malaysian team lol

He's actually a coach for the National Malaysian team lol

he is spot on, and if i owned the club id expect to do anything i want to it to, especially if i put in 150m. if we put as much effort into moaning as we do into cheering th players on at games (which is all we can actually effect) then we might geta bit more out of our players

So you agree that the club will survive with no fans?

it seems he holds one of two thoughts: either he's arrogant enough to believe the fans will renew regardless of what crap he makes them put up with.

or he doesn't care that they renew or not.

it seems this coach's attitude reverberates around the club, and its no surprise that tan, sitting in malaysia, thinks its business as usual with puppets like him reporting back to him.

cant argue with that, tan should be doing what ever he can to make it more appealing, which makes it seem like tan isnt planning to sell as much as we think/hope and we are stuck with him

if tan is willing to put all this money in yes, any club can survive without fans, i think you vastly overestimate how much fans income generates comapred to tv money and tans 150mil!

ill renew, i always will but thats just me

no, i am actually well aware of how little the income from gate receipts is in football nowadays. in the PL around 80% of the income of a small club is from TV money. in the championship it won't be that extreme, but i am well aware that tan could easily hold out even if the attendance fell to 10,000.

however, try selling a club with 10,000 disgruntled fans as opposed to 25,000 passionate fans who buy lots of merchandise. you'll get a much lower price, thats where tan loses out ultimately.

But surely this is an argument not to boycott ? Don't we really need 25000 all screaming for BLUE ? Surely that would serve the dual purpose of showing Tan that it is the "vocal minority" against red and demonstrate the passion/potential to prospective owners ?

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Stupid prick what does he know...............

Just a bit of brown nosing by the looks of it...........

he is spot on, and if i owned the club id expect to do anything i want to it to, especially if i put in 150m. if we put as much effort into moaning as we do into cheering th players on at games (which is all we can actually effect) then we might geta bit more out of our players

So you agree that the club will survive with no fans?

it seems he holds one of two thoughts: either he's arrogant enough to believe the fans will renew regardless of what crap he makes them put up with.

or he doesn't care that they renew or not.

it seems this coach's attitude reverberates around the club, and its no surprise that tan, sitting in malaysia, thinks its business as usual with puppets like him reporting back to him.

if tan is willing to put all this money in yes, any club can survive without fans, i think you vastly overestimate how much fans income generates comapred to tv money and tans 150mil!

ill renew, i always will but thats just me

So what about the financial fair play rules?

depends on how tans puts money in, plenty of loopholes where his investment can be seen as sponsership for example via some of his companies, easily done when he holds all the cards at the club

he is spot on, and if i owned the club id expect to do anything i want to it to, especially if i put in 150m. if we put as much effort into moaning as we do into cheering th players on at games (which is all we can actually effect) then we might geta bit more out of our players

So you agree that the club will survive with no fans?

it seems he holds one of two thoughts: either he's arrogant enough to believe the fans will renew regardless of what crap he makes them put up with.

or he doesn't care that they renew or not.

it seems this coach's attitude reverberates around the club, and its no surprise that tan, sitting in malaysia, thinks its business as usual with puppets like him reporting back to him.

if tan is willing to put all this money in yes, any club can survive without fans, i think you vastly overestimate how much fans income generates comapred to tv money and tans 150mil!

ill renew, i always will but thats just me

So what about the financial fair play rules?

depends on how tans puts money in, plenty of loopholes where his investment can be seen as sponsership for example via some of his companies, easily done when he holds all the cards at the club

i don't think tan would be too keen on this. any money put in through phoney sponsorship is lost to the club forever, and effectively a gift to CCFC - a ruthless businessman like tan wouldn't give the club money out of the goodness of his heart like that in the way that the owners of man city do. if he loans the club money secured against assets, its much easier to take it back. plus of course he can charge commercial interest rates, which he does.

But surely this is an argument not to boycott ? Don't we really need 25000 all screaming for BLUE ? Surely that would serve the dual purpose of showing Tan that it is the "vocal minority" against red and demonstrate the passion/potential to prospective owners ?

boycotting leads to the owner and media asking questions. why are the fans not turning up anymore? its not rocket science to figure out why.

boycotting also hits the club in the pocket, i know its not huge money, but a cardiff city are a business and losing fans (customers is probably a more apt term nowadays) is a serious concern. do you want to continue to pay inflated ticket prices whilst watching poor football and in the process serve to boost the saleability of the club and secure more money for tan? i'm not sure you'll get many fans signing up to your school of thought. the typical tan hater would sooner stick pins in their eyes than consciously pay more money to tan to secure a higher sale price to benefit tan.

he is spot on, and if i owned the club id expect to do anything i want to it to, especially if i put in 150m. if we put as much effort into moaning as we do into cheering th players on at games (which is all we can actually effect) then we might geta bit more out of our players

So you agree that the club will survive with no fans?

it seems he holds one of two thoughts: either he's arrogant enough to believe the fans will renew regardless of what crap he makes them put up with.

or he doesn't care that they renew or not.

it seems this coach's attitude reverberates around the club, and its no surprise that tan, sitting in malaysia, thinks its business as usual with puppets like him reporting back to him.

if tan is willing to put all this money in yes, any club can survive without fans, i think you vastly overestimate how much fans income generates comapred to tv money and tans 150mil!

ill renew, i always will but thats just me

So what about the financial fair play rules?

depends on how tans puts money in, plenty of loopholes where his investment can be seen as sponsership for example via some of his companies, easily done when he holds all the cards at the club

i don't think tan would be too keen on this. any money put in through phoney sponsorship is lost to the club forever, and effectively a gift to CCFC - a ruthless businessman like tan wouldn't give the club money out of the goodness of his heart like that in the way that the owners of man city do. if he loans the club money secured against assets, its much easier to take it back. plus of course he can charge commercial interest rates, which he does.

But surely this is an argument not to boycott ? Don't we really need 25000 all screaming for BLUE ? Surely that would serve the dual purpose of showing Tan that it is the "vocal minority" against red and demonstrate the passion/potential to prospective owners ?

boycotting leads to the owner and media asking questions. why are the fans not turning up anymore? its not rocket science to figure out why.

boycotting also hits the club in the pocket, i know its not huge money, but a cardiff city are a business and losing fans (customers is probably a more apt term nowadays) is a serious concern. do you want to continue to pay inflated ticket prices whilst watching poor football and in the process serve to boost the saleability of the club and secure more money for tan? i'm not sure you'll get many fans signing up to your school of thought.

I wasn't really looking for people to "sign up" to my school of thought merely posing a pretty obvious question.

Tan's media line all through this saga has been that the anti-red fans are a tiny minority.

You can be sure that if he does comment on the lower attendances he will make great play of the fact that attendances have only been going down since our poor run of results and relegation. From an outside perspective that would be quite a compelling argument based on cold facts.

However, a crowd of 25000 vociferous fans screaming for a return to blue simply blows that argument out of the water, no arguments.

I don't claim to know the answer as to the best way to get our message across (and I am completely with you on the ultimate aim to return to blue) but sometimes we need to look a bit further into the future and I think, deep down, we all know the the most realistic way of returning to blue would be for Tan to recoup some/all of his investment and for another group to take over

he is spot on, and if i owned the club id expect to do anything i want to it to, especially if i put in 150m. if we put as much effort into moaning as we do into cheering th players on at games (which is all we can actually effect) then we might geta bit more out of our players

So you agree that the club will survive with no fans?

it seems he holds one of two thoughts: either he's arrogant enough to believe the fans will renew regardless of what crap he makes them put up with.

or he doesn't care that they renew or not.

it seems this coach's attitude reverberates around the club, and its no surprise that tan, sitting in malaysia, thinks its business as usual with puppets like him reporting back to him.

if tan is willing to put all this money in yes, any club can survive without fans, i think you vastly overestimate how much fans income generates comapred to tv money and tans 150mil!

ill renew, i always will but thats just me

So what about the financial fair play rules?

depends on how tans puts money in, plenty of loopholes where his investment can be seen as sponsership for example via some of his companies, easily done when he holds all the cards at the club

i don't think tan would be too keen on this. any money put in through phoney sponsorship is lost to the club forever, and effectively a gift to CCFC - a ruthless businessman like tan wouldn't give the club money out of the goodness of his heart like that in the way that the owners of man city do. if he loans the club money secured against assets, its much easier to take it back. plus of course he can charge commercial interest rates, which he does.

But surely this is an argument not to boycott ? Don't we really need 25000 all screaming for BLUE ? Surely that would serve the dual purpose of showing Tan that it is the "vocal minority" against red and demonstrate the passion/potential to prospective owners ?

boycotting leads to the owner and media asking questions. why are the fans not turning up anymore? its not rocket science to figure out why.

boycotting also hits the club in the pocket, i know its not huge money, but a cardiff city are a business and losing fans (customers is probably a more apt term nowadays) is a serious concern. do you want to continue to pay inflated ticket prices whilst watching poor football and in the process serve to boost the saleability of the club and secure more money for tan? i'm not sure you'll get many fans signing up to your school of thought.

I wasn't really looking for people to "sign up" to my school of thought merely posing a pretty obvious question.

Tan's media line all through this saga has been that the anti-red fans are a tiny minority.

You can be sure that if he does comment on the lower attendances he will make great play of the fact that attendances have only been going down since our poor run of results and relegation. From an outside perspective that would be quite a compelling argument based on cold facts.

However, a crowd of 25000 vociferous fans screaming for a return to blue simply blows that argument out of the water, no arguments.

I don't claim to know the answer as to the best way to get our message across (and I am completely with you on the ultimate aim to return to blue) but sometimes we need to look a bit further into the future and I think, deep down, we all know the the most realistic way of returning to blue would be for Tan to recoup some/all of his investment and for another group to take over

if you think tesco are a crap supermarket that deliver crap customer service, the way to portray that to the CEO is not to turn up in your thousands to a tesco store, buy their products, and scream that they give crap service. on the contrary, the approach that would deliver change would be to simply stop going, and hit them in the pocket. they'd change soon enough. the same applies here.

i think tans actions thus far have established that he does not care what the fans think regarding the blue. he is ruthless and very single minded. he doesn't even go to games, so why would he care if there were 25,000 fans screaming for blue? more money in his pocket. what reasons would he have to reverse the rebrand then?

Like most companies VT doesn't like bad publicity.

The problem with your analogy of Tesco is that they totally depend on their customers attending and spending money in their stores whereas for a football club, the money generated through the turnstiles, particularly in the Prem, in pretty insignificant in the scheme of things.

The problem with my suggestion would be persuading 25000 to actually attend and watch the crap we have had to endure lately

What a load of shit. "He made changes to his house and if he likes it that way then so be it"... Is this guy for f*cking real?

VT is definitely digging his heels in thats for sure, he'll keep us red just out of spite after the abuse aimed at him.
All we can hope for is he gets tired or bored with us and sells up.

I vaguely know the bloke in question and he's no fan off Ccfc. An Everton fan if I remember well. He's on tans payroll so probably gets a bonus from tan for spouting this

I vaguely know the bloke in question and he's no fan off Ccfc. An Everton fan if I remember well. He's on tans payroll so probably gets a bonus from tan for spouting this

spot on mate.

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Cardiff City coach my f*cking arse!!!