" Fair Play To Dave Sugarman AKA TLG "
Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:38 pm
Always speaks his mind and has stuck by his morals 
You have to Totally Respect Dave I knew him during the 80's & 90's and he said he was never coming back under Tan and Dave missed out on what many fans like Dave & Myself dreamt of Man United/Liverpool etc but he never once came back.
Dave chose to Walk Away,I chose to stay and keep the Blue going,but I have to say,it must of been so hard for Dave to walk away from his club.
He posted this,this week
To Tony Jeffries AKA TIT on CCMB
Who did say at the meeting with the Club," I dont care what Cardiff City play in."
To be honest, I can't remember ever being upset about the prices at Ninian Park, so you wouldn't have seen me at the forefront of any protests on that issue. You would have seen me on the pitch demonstrating against Clemo, though (I think there were about ten of us, Sludge being another if memory serves) and at the various meetings we staged in our efforts to get rid of him. You would also have seen me in the Grandstand protesting about Kumar, Hibbitt and Osman after that Gillingham game if you can remember it.
As regards the summer of 2012, I can clearly remember how firmly in favour of Vincent Tan and his re-brand you were in the early stages. Here's another reminder in case you need one:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ng-2030643
The people who spoke out against it in the intial meeting were me, Mark, Keith, Annis, Tim and Tracey. You were perfectly content to accept it and I had no problem with that at all. However, to remain silent while Gwyn was shouting abuse and issuing threats to three people who regarded you as their friend during the second meeting was very poor form indeed. To then leave that meeting, stand shoulder-to-shoulder with him and back him up all the way while he publicly attempted to blame those same people for Tan's u-turn was unforgiveable as far as I'm concerned.
You talked about people sticking together and showing their true colours in your opening post. Unfortunately, in my opinion you did just that in May 2012 when you stood alongside Gwyn Davies and backed Vincent Tan's re-brand.
You have to Totally Respect Dave I knew him during the 80's & 90's and he said he was never coming back under Tan and Dave missed out on what many fans like Dave & Myself dreamt of Man United/Liverpool etc but he never once came back.
Dave chose to Walk Away,I chose to stay and keep the Blue going,but I have to say,it must of been so hard for Dave to walk away from his club.
He posted this,this week
To Tony Jeffries AKA TIT on CCMB
Who did say at the meeting with the Club," I dont care what Cardiff City play in."
To be honest, I can't remember ever being upset about the prices at Ninian Park, so you wouldn't have seen me at the forefront of any protests on that issue. You would have seen me on the pitch demonstrating against Clemo, though (I think there were about ten of us, Sludge being another if memory serves) and at the various meetings we staged in our efforts to get rid of him. You would also have seen me in the Grandstand protesting about Kumar, Hibbitt and Osman after that Gillingham game if you can remember it.
As regards the summer of 2012, I can clearly remember how firmly in favour of Vincent Tan and his re-brand you were in the early stages. Here's another reminder in case you need one:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ng-2030643
The people who spoke out against it in the intial meeting were me, Mark, Keith, Annis, Tim and Tracey. You were perfectly content to accept it and I had no problem with that at all. However, to remain silent while Gwyn was shouting abuse and issuing threats to three people who regarded you as their friend during the second meeting was very poor form indeed. To then leave that meeting, stand shoulder-to-shoulder with him and back him up all the way while he publicly attempted to blame those same people for Tan's u-turn was unforgiveable as far as I'm concerned.
You talked about people sticking together and showing their true colours in your opening post. Unfortunately, in my opinion you did just that in May 2012 when you stood alongside Gwyn Davies and backed Vincent Tan's re-brand.
Re: " Fair Play To Dave Sugarman AKA TLG "
Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:20 pm
I am another who hasn't been since the rebrand, I have obviously kept an eye on the club after having ST's for several seasons and watching the team across the country. All I ever dreamt about was playing against the big boys in the PL but sadly I never saw that.
Its refreshing to see that the tide has finally turned on Tan. I could never see this happening whilst the team was succeeding and I knew once we started drifting down the league it would eventually come to a head. I know there are other factors that have that have contributed to where we are now with Tan along the way including some of his outrages interviews but I think the major factor is now that we are not winning.
I read some of those letters on the link TLG posted when the article got published and I was in disbelief then and after reading them again I can't imagine what some of them are thinking now.
Does Gwyn even attend himself these days? And what happened to him being first over the fence?
Anyway this is my first post on here in a long time as I was always shot down when I gave my view on the rebrand when it first came about. Hopefully I'll be back in the stands sooner rather than later if we can drive this idiot from our club!
Its refreshing to see that the tide has finally turned on Tan. I could never see this happening whilst the team was succeeding and I knew once we started drifting down the league it would eventually come to a head. I know there are other factors that have that have contributed to where we are now with Tan along the way including some of his outrages interviews but I think the major factor is now that we are not winning.
I read some of those letters on the link TLG posted when the article got published and I was in disbelief then and after reading them again I can't imagine what some of them are thinking now.
Does Gwyn even attend himself these days? And what happened to him being first over the fence?
Anyway this is my first post on here in a long time as I was always shot down when I gave my view on the rebrand when it first came about. Hopefully I'll be back in the stands sooner rather than later if we can drive this idiot from our club!
Re: " Fair Play To Dave Sugarman AKA TLG "
Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:26 pm
TLG always told it how he saw it,miss reading his posts....always well thought out and honest......alot more than can be said for some..... 
Re: " Fair Play To Dave Sugarman AKA TLG "
Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:01 pm
Still freash in my mind who said what at the time I personally wasn't allowed a say if I did gwyn especially got very heated .I no tony jefferys personally I couldn't believe him on tv slating fans whoddidn't want the rebrand just because they did.
Those people have gone very quite wonder why.
Those people have gone very quite wonder why.
Re: " Fair Play To Dave Sugarman AKA TLG "
Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:10 am
Gwyn and tony are to blame as I see it, regarding the whole red or dead, scaremonging tactics and abuse. Gwyn probably crying all the way to the bank! Self proclaimed fan leaders my arse. Just as egotistical as vinny and sam!
Re: " Fair Play To Dave Sugarman AKA TLG "
Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:22 am
Yes read that thread on CCMB the other night and Sugarman delivered a blow to Jeffries alright. The TIT won't recover from that for a while.
Also it has become clear again who was distributing the red or dead lie.
Also it has become clear again who was distributing the red or dead lie.
Re: " Fair Play To Dave Sugarman AKA TLG "
Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:34 pm
Their silence speaks volumes!
Re: " Fair Play To Dave Sugarman AKA TLG "
Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:27 pm
Never forget the people who sold my club down the river, never.
Re: " Fair Play To Dave Sugarman AKA TLG "
Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:07 pm
Blue Tit AKA Tony Jefferies
"Thank fu<k you were not in the trenches in THE GREAT WAR, we would all be speaking fu<king German now if you were.
Turncoats my arse.!
These people stayed to fight a battle and each and everyone one of them deserves a medal for what they are going through.
Wars are won by sticking together not JUMPING SHIP at the first hurdle.
Anyone who wanted to leave has my greatest respect, but to knock those who stayed to see how it all panned out is utterly disgraceful.
Wondered how long it would take for the "I TOLD YOU SO BRIGADE" to show its true colours."
"Thank fu<k you were not in the trenches in THE GREAT WAR, we would all be speaking fu<king German now if you were.
Turncoats my arse.!
These people stayed to fight a battle and each and everyone one of them deserves a medal for what they are going through.
Wars are won by sticking together not JUMPING SHIP at the first hurdle.
Anyone who wanted to leave has my greatest respect, but to knock those who stayed to see how it all panned out is utterly disgraceful.
Wondered how long it would take for the "I TOLD YOU SO BRIGADE" to show its true colours."
Re: " Fair Play To Dave Sugarman AKA TLG "
Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:14 pm
Go and watch local league football, its free to get in, not far to travel, you can even have a beer with the players after, no police, no stewards, cheap food and drink (take your own)........and with the money you save watch city away.