" THANK YOU VINCENT TAN "

Thank you Vincent Tan for giving the protests national attention, you have this afternoon of all days chosen to take on Cardiff fans, called the supporters groups leaders as people with agenda's against the club.

Now the media will be looking out for the protests and waiting for a further response from you.

Daily Mirror have just done this piece :

Vincent Tan: Cardiff will NOT change back from red to blue despite planned fan protests

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Cardiff owner Vincent Tan has reiterated that the club colours will NOT go from red back to blue.

Supporters groups have confirmed they intend to protest against the new colour scheme, brought in by Tan two years ago, in the New Year.

But Malaysian businessman Tan confirmed that he has no intention of making a change and that fans calling for such action are wasting their time.

“I would like to tell them this: Protesting will not make me change my mind," he said in an interview with Sky Sports News.

“Cardiff will stay red and we hope the fans will think carefully and support the club so that we can get promoted to the Premier League.

“They should know that when I first invested in the club I said I would put in up to £100m if they would let me change the colour to red and use the red dragon as the symbol and replace the bluebird emblem.

“After all, the red dragon is the symbol and national flag of Wales. At the time everyone agreed and I kept my part of the bargain. I have invested now more than £100m so if they are protesting are they keeping their part of the bargain?

The Bluebirds wore blue for over a century before club's board voted for a change - and a change in badge - in 2012.

The club were subsequently promoted to the Premier League for the first time in their history, something Tan believes he had a lot to do with.

“I have done my part and they agreed. I hope they will think carefully and change their mind and support the club. After all it was my money that took up to the Premier League after 51 years.

"It was not Malky MacKay. He actually wasted a lot of money and all of this will come out soon.

“I think I am honourable and I hope and wish they will be honourable for the sake of Cardiff City Football Club.”

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c**t.

The biggest news here is the fact that someone from the club has replied!

Simply easy decision for me #NoBlueNoRenew.

The Lone Gunman wrote:

In my report for CCMB dated 08/05/2012, I wrote:

"A straw poll of the thirteen supporters present was conducted on the subject of the changes to the club's colours and badge. One was in favour; two were indifferent, while the remainder were opposed and in some cases very strongly opposed. However, it was acknowledged by all present that the views of those attending the meeting were not necessarily representative of the fanbase as a whole."

I further clarified that point in a blog piece I wrote on 03/06/2012:

"Towards the end of the meeting on 8 May, a straw poll of the thirteen fans in attendance was held on the subject of the re-branding. This poll was conducted by club officials on the clear understanding of all present that the opinions being expressed were personal and in no way representative of the membership of the Cardiff City Supporters’ Club, the Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, the Cardiff City Away Travel Group or the club’s wider fanbase."

I have been supporting this club since 1992 and it's been a big part of my life, but no more for me. I will not be renewing until the red is removed and the blue restored. I will also be calling the club to remove my name from the database...! Tan Out!!!!

The Lone Gunman wrote:

In my report for CCMB dated 08/05/2012, I wrote:

"A straw poll of the thirteen supporters present was conducted on the subject of the changes to the club's colours and badge. One was in favour; two were indifferent, while the remainder were opposed and in some cases very strongly opposed. However, it was acknowledged by all present that the views of those attending the meeting were not necessarily representative of the fanbase as a whole."

I further clarified that point in a blog piece I wrote on 03/06/2012:

"Towards the end of the meeting on 8 May, a straw poll of the thirteen fans in attendance was held on the subject of the re-branding. This poll was conducted by club officials on the clear understanding of all present that the opinions being expressed were personal and in no way representative of the membership of the Cardiff City Supporters’ Club, the Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, the Cardiff City Away Travel Group or the club’s wider fanbase."

Was tan at the meeting ?

Who told him the result of the vote ?

Was the pole recorded in the minutes of the meeting ?

Did certain supporters offer their support quietly rather than in a room full of people ?

Tan believes the groups agreed , maybe reluctantly but they agreed ! He then spent a fortune taking us up .
it's the guys under him who are at fault here , the guys a prick but it's not always his fault directly !

Arrogant b*stard

100% #nobluenorenew

F OFF TAN

If the quotes are correct I think it is an absolute disgrace. Who actually agreed to throwing away over a 100 years of history?

How many fans would want to throw away their identity? Season Tickets are the only way to show the feeling by the looks of it.

A referendum is a direct vote in which an entire electorate is asked to vote on a particular proposal. This may result in the adoption of a new constitution, a constitutional amendment, or a law.

No vote has ever been offered to or has taken place with all season ticket holders, which is the only correct way to have confirmed consensus.

Tan suggesting that supporters cannot now change their agreement at this point is unbelievably arrogant - we didn't get asked in the first place or give any agreement.

Tan claims to be honourable, yet his conduct has been the opposite throughout the rebrand. He has dictated to supporters from the off and thought nothing of removing the clubs history and heritage on a personal whim.

He tries to reaffirm that the dragon is a Welsh symbol but that is just a convenient coincidence that he is using in his favour. The dragon is important in his part of the world but this is CCFC and not international football, therefore the dragon is not important on our badge but he's playing it up as so.

This being released on Christmad Day, is Tan enjoying the hold he has and acting to deliberately antagonise supporters.

All in all, the guy is a cock.

I look at it this interview has helped our cause. And I believe those that were wavering could now be pushed in our direction. The only thing that can hurt Tan is the ST sales. Short term inconvenience for the long term gain.

The club played in blue for over a century before Cardiff’s board voted in 2012 to change their colours to red and bring in a new emblem to maximise brand awareness and commercial revenues.

This week, Cardiff supporters groups said they will step up their campaign in the New Year calling for the club to return to their original colours.

But Tan insists he will not change his mind and called on supporters to spend their energy on getting behind the team who currently lie 11th in The Championship.

Speaking to Jim White on Sky Sports News HQ on Christmas Day, Tan told Cardiff’s fans: “I would like to tell them this: Protesting will not make me change my mind.

“Cardiff will stay red and we hope the fans will think carefully and support the club so that we can get promoted to the Premier League.

“They should know that when I first invested in the club I said I would put in up to £100m if they would let me change the colour to red and use the red dragon as the symbol and replace the bluebird emblem.

“After all, the red dragon is the symbol and national flag of Wales. At the time everyone agreed and I kept my part of the bargain. I have invested now more than £100m so if they are protesting are they keeping their part of the bargain?

“I have done my part and they agreed. I hope they will think carefully and change their mind and support the club. After all it was my money that took up to the Premier League after 51 years. It was not Malky MacKay. He actually wasted a lot of money and all of this will come out soon.
“I think I am honourable and I hope and wish they will be honourable for the sake of Cardiff City Football Club.”

Tan, who has previously indicated he could sell Cardiff for the right price, added: “If we get promoted I could stay but it depends on the fans. It depends on their support.”

The flamboyant Malaysian businessman also threw his weight behind Cardiff boss Slade.

“I think he has done well. He has done better than Ole (Gunnar Solskjaer),” Tan said.

“I believe - given support by all the fans and by everybody - Russell will do well. Although we are in 11th position I still believe we have a good chance of being in the play-offs. And who knows? We may even getting promoted to the Premier League again.

“Not only me, but all of our fans and everybody in Cardiff would love that. I pray that is possible and I think we have a good chance. I think Russell is a good manager. I think he will be able to take us there.

“He’s a good man, he’s honest and I think honesty and integrity is so important.”

http://www.football365.com/championship ... l-stay-red?

I look at it this interview has helped our cause. And I believe those that were wavering could now be pushed in our direction. The only thing that can hurt Tan is the ST sales. Short term inconvenience for the long term gain.

Spot on. Until people start voting with their wallets en masse nothing will change.

Protests offer the opportunity to get people together to show strength through unity but it won't do anything to alter events in this case. The only way to resolve this is by not renewing season tickets and by extension not entering the ground.

That's the choice people have to make.

are we allowed to be anti tan now then

in all fairness guys, when folks voiced there opinions before now bans have been handed out

Why is everybody so serious?
Acting so damn mysterious
Got your shades on your eyes and your belt so high
That you can't even have a good time
Everybody look to their left
Everybody look to their right
Can you see that? (Yeah)
we're paying in red tonight

It's not about the money, money, money
we don't need your money, money, money
we just want our colour blue back
forget about the price tan

He is also lying if those quotes are correct.

He said he would invest 150 million, build a new training facility AND turn ALL of the debt to equity.

He is subtly ignoring those facts...

At last I think vinnie is running scared. I think it has finally kicked in that all the supporters of our great club are uniting behind a return to blue and getting back to re-claiming our club. We can do this together boys, let's get the protests going and unite as one in supporting Cardiff City - the bluebirds - our club.

Blatant lies there from Tan. What about the debt to equity conversion and the new training ground. He may have invested £100 Mill, but he's put the debt on the club and I think he's charging interest on that as well. The club is in more debt now than when he first announced the rebrand. #nobluenorenew from me and I won't be spending any money on tickets for cup games this season, even if we drew a big club like Man U. As they say on Dragons Den, 'I'm out!'

f**k off tan!

Did you agree to play in red ? I certainly did not. No blue no renew after 50 years of more downs than ups I've had enough.

A change to red should been asked to all ST holders via a vote and not a select few.

Arrogant and delusional

This guy will never back down imo

I didn't agree to play in red #nobluenorenew

The Lone Gunman wrote:

In my report for CCMB dated 08/05/2012, I wrote:

"A straw poll of the thirteen supporters present was conducted on the subject of the changes to the club's colours and badge. One was in favour; two were indifferent, while the remainder were opposed and in some cases very strongly opposed. However, it was acknowledged by all present that the views of those attending the meeting were not necessarily representative of the fanbase as a whole."

I further clarified that point in a blog piece I wrote on 03/06/2012:

"Towards the end of the meeting on 8 May, a straw poll of the thirteen fans in attendance was held on the subject of the re-branding. This poll was conducted by club officials on the clear understanding of all present that the opinions being expressed were personal and in no way representative of the membership of the Cardiff City Supporters’ Club, the Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, the Cardiff City Away Travel Group or the club’s wider fanbase."

Was tan at the meeting ?

Who told him the result of the vote ?

Was the pole recorded in the minutes of the meeting ?

Did certain supporters offer their support quietly rather than in a room full of people ?

Tan believes the groups agreed , maybe reluctantly but they agreed ! He then spent a fortune taking us up .
it's the guys under him who are at fault here , the guys a prick but it's not always his fault directly !

No Tan was not at the meeting,the two main people who were running our club were Wayne Nash and Alan Whitley.

TLG is the only person who ever takes minutes and they are spot on.

I believe Tan was not told the whole story.

on balance i think in summer 2012 over 50% of the fans backed the rebrand in exchange for tans cash.

since we have been relegated i'd guess around 90% of fans oppose the rebrand now. the deal was premier league football in red, not championship football in red, and thats why they many have changed their minds.

from tans point of view, he has seen people change their minds post relegation. he is entitled to point his finger at those who have jumped on the bandwagon when they were more than happy to take tans cash for the red.

look at the echo, a complete U turn from them on the rebrand from backing it to opposing it. a revived thread the other day revealed that many who were having a pop at tan were at best neutral on the issue a year or two ago, at worst they supported it.

The Lone Gunman wrote:

In my report for CCMB dated 08/05/2012, I wrote:

"A straw poll of the thirteen supporters present was conducted on the subject of the changes to the club's colours and badge. One was in favour; two were indifferent, while the remainder were opposed and in some cases very strongly opposed. However, it was acknowledged by all present that the views of those attending the meeting were not necessarily representative of the fanbase as a whole."

I further clarified that point in a blog piece I wrote on 03/06/2012:

"Towards the end of the meeting on 8 May, a straw poll of the thirteen fans in attendance was held on the subject of the re-branding. This poll was conducted by club officials on the clear understanding of all present that the opinions being expressed were personal and in no way representative of the membership of the Cardiff City Supporters’ Club, the Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, the Cardiff City Away Travel Group or the club’s wider fanbase."

Was tan at the meeting ?

Who told him the result of the vote ?

Was the pole recorded in the minutes of the meeting ?

Did certain supporters offer their support quietly rather than in a room full of people ?

Tan believes the groups agreed , maybe reluctantly but they agreed ! He then spent a fortune taking us up .
it's the guys under him who are at fault here , the guys a prick but it's not always his fault directly !

No Tan was not at the meeting,the two main people who were running our club were Wayne Nash and Alan Whitley.

TLG is the only person who ever takes minutes and they are spot on.

I believe Tan was not told the whole story.

I know you hate tan but can you see his point of view ? The more it's going on the more embarrassing it's getting sounds like the club licked tans arse for the cash and havnt told him the truth ,it's time for tan to sell up

The Lone Gunman wrote:

In my report for CCMB dated 08/05/2012, I wrote:

"A straw poll of the thirteen supporters present was conducted on the subject of the changes to the club's colours and badge. One was in favour; two were indifferent, while the remainder were opposed and in some cases very strongly opposed. However, it was acknowledged by all present that the views of those attending the meeting were not necessarily representative of the fanbase as a whole."

I further clarified that point in a blog piece I wrote on 03/06/2012:

"Towards the end of the meeting on 8 May, a straw poll of the thirteen fans in attendance was held on the subject of the re-branding. This poll was conducted by club officials on the clear understanding of all present that the opinions being expressed were personal and in no way representative of the membership of the Cardiff City Supporters’ Club, the Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, the Cardiff City Away Travel Group or the club’s wider fanbase."

Was tan at the meeting ?

Who told him the result of the vote ?

Was the pole recorded in the minutes of the meeting ?

Did certain supporters offer their support quietly rather than in a room full of people ?

Tan believes the groups agreed , maybe reluctantly but they agreed ! He then spent a fortune taking us up .
it's the guys under him who are at fault here , the guys a prick but it's not always his fault directly !

No Tan was not at the meeting,the two main people who were running our club were Wayne Nash and Alan Whitley.

TLG is the only person who ever takes minutes and they are spot on.

I believe Tan was not told the whole story.

I know you hate tan but can you see his point of view ? The more it's going on the more embarrassing it's getting sounds like the club licked tans arse for the cash and havnt told him the truth ,it's time for tan to sell up

Wez, I do in some ways and thats why Nash/Whitley who ran our club and also the Red Brigade saying red or dead have to take a lot of this responsibility in all this.

But I do know this,None of the CEO'S have ever been prepared to tell him the truth.

I wonder if he knows that most people on the UK who have ever heard of him think that he is a complete f*cking idiot.

I would love to tell him.

We need to be chanting Tan out. Stop pussyfooting around. No more putting up with this moron. Funny though as he could have been a hero. Woops!

The Lone Gunman wrote:

In my report for CCMB dated 08/05/2012, I wrote:

"A straw poll of the thirteen supporters present was conducted on the subject of the changes to the club's colours and badge. One was in favour; two were indifferent, while the remainder were opposed and in some cases very strongly opposed. However, it was acknowledged by all present that the views of those attending the meeting were not necessarily representative of the fanbase as a whole."

I further clarified that point in a blog piece I wrote on 03/06/2012:

"Towards the end of the meeting on 8 May, a straw poll of the thirteen fans in attendance was held on the subject of the re-branding. This poll was conducted by club officials on the clear understanding of all present that the opinions being expressed were personal and in no way representative of the membership of the Cardiff City Supporters’ Club, the Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, the Cardiff City Away Travel Group or the club’s wider fanbase."

Was tan at the meeting ?

Who told him the result of the vote ?

Was the pole recorded in the minutes of the meeting ?

Did certain supporters offer their support quietly rather than in a room full of people ?

Tan believes the groups agreed , maybe reluctantly but they agreed ! He then spent a fortune taking us up .
it's the guys under him who are at fault here , the guys a prick but it's not always his fault directly !

No Tan was not at the meeting,the two main people who were running our club were Wayne Nash and Alan Whitley.

TLG is the only person who ever takes minutes and they are spot on.

I believe Tan was not told the whole story.

I know you hate tan but can you see his point of view ? The more it's going on the more embarrassing it's getting sounds like the club licked tans arse for the cash and havnt told him the truth ,it's time for tan to sell up

Wez, I do in some ways and thats why Nash/Whitley who ran our club and also the Red Brigade saying red or dead have to take a lot of this responsibility in all this.

But I do know this,None of the CEO'S have ever been prepared to tell him the truth.

The club's board and CEO s should of said from the start that the rebrand isn't being excepted on the scale that tan thought, promotion masked over this