nothing to do with the colour of our shirts.

Our fans just can't stop blaming the rebrand for everything that happens. If all our fans, say in the Canton, you know the diehard ones, are together as anti red/pro blue, what's stopping them singing together and supporting their team.

Fact is there's nothing to inspire them or get them going in our football.

Why can't we stop blaming something that makes no real difference.

The reality is, even if we were playing in blue yesterday it wouldn't have inproved the atmosphere or stopped people booing, or walking out.

It's the performances that are crap, not the colour we're wearing.

Stop kidding yourselves.

The atmosphere would certainly improve if the club's correct identity was restored. It would boost supporters.

The apathy for many towards the club is caused by this horrific rebrand. That apathy would depart.

I do agree that the shit football Doesnt help, but to say that reversing the rebrand wouldn't improve atmosphere is wrong, if you ask me.

I do agree that the shit football Doesnt help.

This for me sums up my issue with the club. Yes I don't like tan, Slade, red or the badge but the main reason we all go week in week out is the football.

The atmosphere would certainly improve if the club's correct identity was restored. It would boost supporters.

The apathy for many towards the club is caused by this horrific rebrand. That apathy would depart.

I do agree that the shit football Doesnt help, but to say that reversing the rebrand wouldn't improve atmosphere is wrong, if you ask me.

Agree with that.

Sums up the situation perfectly.

The reason that the atmosphere is so bad is obviously going to be because of performances, but it's just so much worse because a lot of our fans just don't have their heart in it any more. Yes they go because of the football, because of the social side etc, but many are now going out of habit, because they always have and because they own a season ticket, but the ones that have been going for years, the ones that start all the song going in the Canton are now leaving, in the past they would have been the ones that would have stayed through thick and thin supporting the team through the bad times.

Unfortunately as long as long as the tan remains as determined to stick with his failed rebranding it's only going to get worse.

We're Cardiff City fans, not Real Madrid or Bayern Munich fans.

We will experience highs and lows on the pitch and thats to be expected.

What should be a constant though is our pride and our identity and that has been taken from us!

The football isnt helping but I think you are kidding yourself if you don't recognize that the awful, arrogant and amateur rebrand has been an unmittigated disaster that it is at present destroying the club on and off the pitch!

#NoBlueNoRenew

If we played in blue again then I'll admit that for one or two games the atmosphere would pick up a bit but that would only be short lived. If the football remained as bad as it is now it wouldn't take much to get the crowd on a downer and calling for better.

We've all be there when Cardiff have played in blue and supporters have booed and left early.

If we played in blue again then I'll admit that for one or two games the atmosphere would pick up a bit but that would only be short lived. If the football remained as bad as it is now it wouldn't take much to get the crowd on a downer and calling for better.

We've all be there when Cardiff have played in blue and supporters have booed and left early.

The booers and early leavers were always in the minority. During those times there were many of us that backed the team, sung our hearts out and stayed to clap the team off. That's is now rapidly diminishing. Many fans just don't care about the club like they used to, you only have to read the boards and talk to fellow fans to see that. It's sad, but it's undeniably true.

If we played in blue again then I'll admit that for one or two games the atmosphere would pick up a bit but that would only be short lived. If the football remained as bad as it is now it wouldn't take much to get the crowd on a downer and calling for better.

We've all be there when Cardiff have played in blue and supporters have booed and left early.

What has that got to do with anything?

There is a large amount of apathy in the crowd there's days, largely down to the rebrand.... It's no coincidence that the most vocal chants and songs are about the rebrand.

To suggest that the apathy and poor atmosphere has nothing to do with the rebrand, is ridiculous.

We've all seen bad performances and bad runs (at the moment our league position isn't too bad) , I've seen plenty over the years, but when you hear die hard fans who have also witnessed the bad times saying enough is enough, I've had a belly full, no more, the club has to take notice and resolve these problems.
Bad football we can live with, THE RED SHIRTS WE CAN'T.

Our fans just can't stop blaming the rebrand for everything that happens. If all our fans, say in the Canton, you know the diehard ones, are together as anti red/pro blue, what's stopping them singing together and supporting their team.

Fact is there's nothing to inspire them or get them going in our football.

Why can't we stop blaming something that makes no real difference.

The reality is, even if we were playing in blue yesterday it wouldn't have inproved the atmosphere or stopped people booing, or walking out.

It's the performances that are crap, not the colour we're wearing.

Stop kidding yourselves.

BULLSHIT!

It has everything to do with the rebrand. While the fans are fighting amongst them selves there will never ever be a united front. It is not the team I have followed for many years....

I feel like a Wimbledon fan when they moved to Milton Keynes.

Our fans just can't stop blaming the rebrand for everything that happens. If all our fans, say in the Canton, you know the diehard ones, are together as anti red/pro blue, what's stopping them singing together and supporting their team.

Fact is there's nothing to inspire them or get them going in our football.

Why can't we stop blaming something that makes no real difference.

The reality is, even if we were playing in blue yesterday it wouldn't have inproved the atmosphere or stopped people booing, or walking out.

It's the performances that are crap, not the colour we're wearing.

Stop kidding yourselves.

well according to Tan red is a lucky colour so please enlighten me what is the problem with our team/club if it's not indirectly the fault of the rebrand? It's NOT an excuse to blame the rebrand that we are playing crap, it is because of the rebrand, even you should see that. Wearing blue on saturday would probably have not improved the result but I personally think it would have upped the mood and in turn the fans would have lifted the players, but of course that is my opinion and you have yours

Our fans just can't stop blaming the rebrand for everything that happens. If all our fans, say in the Canton, you know the diehard ones, are together as anti red/pro blue, what's stopping them singing together and supporting their team.

Fact is there's nothing to inspire them or get them going in our football.

Why can't we stop blaming something that makes no real difference.

The reality is, even if we were playing in blue yesterday it wouldn't have inproved the atmosphere or stopped people booing, or walking out.

It's the performances that are crap, not the colour we're wearing.

Stop kidding yourselves.

BULLSHIT!

It has everything to do with the rebrand. While the fans are fighting amongst them selves there will never ever be a united front. It is not the team I have followed for many years....

I feel like a Wimbledon fan when they moved to Milton Keynes.

very well said fella

There are several reasons why the atmosphere has gone.
1/ The rebrand
2/ The Club destroying the atmosphere, by making sure it is nothing like Ninian Park.
3/ The Shite Football
4/ The laughing stock we have become with Tan and his antics. IE whith his managers, Painters and decorators etc
5/ Fans turning on each other.

So by that logic, we play crap in red, we play crap in white but put a blue shirt on and we'd be great!

What are you boys saying?

Is it that you support the colour of a shirt or your team.

If it has to be a blue shirt before you shout for your team or stop fighting your own supporters then you should go support someone else.

It's the shit football and pissed up fans that's the main cause of fans going away not what colour we play in.

The football is incredibly shit, yes, and it has certainly tipped our fans over the edge. But to say that the atmosphere and negativity wouldn't change if we were back in blue is complete bullshit.

So by that logic, we play crap in red, we play crap in white but put a blue shirt on and we'd be great!

What are you boys saying?

Is it that you support the colour of a shirt or your team.

If it has to be a blue shirt before you shout for your team or stop fighting your own supporters then you should go support someone else.

It's the shit football and pissed up fans that's the main cause of fans going away not what colour we play in.

Fair play, you talk crap.

For all I know you're one of those knobheads who goes to games pissed and just spends his entire time watching the opposition fans and spouting anti Tan songs. That's not what I'd call supporting your team.

For all I know you're one of those knobheads who goes to games pissed and just spends his entire time watching the opposition fans and spouting anti Tan songs. That's not what I'd call supporting your team.

And for all we know, you could be one of those too.

Some bizarre logic here. Are you talking about the atmosphere or the players performances? You seem to be changing from one to the other with every post.

If you are suggesting that reversing the rebrand wouldn't I prove the atmosphere, then I'm afraid that you are seriously deluded.

The apathy of the fans and the atmosphere is caused by the one massive problem, the rebrand. Undoubtedly, the poor football doesn't help, but to suggest that the fans are only crap because of the poor football is ridiculous.

It's a perfect storm of many different things, one of the big things is the rebrand.

Some bizarre logic here. Are you talking about the atmosphere or the players performances? You seem to be changing from one to the other with every post.

If you are suggesting that reversing the rebrand wouldn't I prove the atmosphere, then I'm afraid that you are seriously deluded.

The apathy of the fans and the atmosphere is caused by the one massive problem, the rebrand. Undoubtedly, the poor football doesn't help, but to suggest that the fans are only crap because of the poor football is ridiculous.

It's a perfect storm of many different things, one of the big things is the rebrand.

Barry

You have to think before you post as well. You're saying I'm changing my view every post but you've done it in one paragraph there mate. You claim the bad atmosphere is caused by one massive problem, the rebrand, but then you admit that the poor football might also be having an effect as well.

I'm saying that for the vast majority of city fans (most of who never access this board) see the quality of football as the big problem and not the shirt colour.

Barry

You have to think before you post as well. You're saying I'm changing my view every post but you've done it in one paragraph there mate. You claim the bad atmosphere is caused by one massive problem, the rebrand, but then you admit that the poor football might also be having an effect as well.

I'm saying that for the vast majority of city fans (most of who never access this board) see the quality of football as the big problem and not the shirt colour.

You are wrong, I believe the rebrand is the biggest reason for the apathy. You however, have said that a reversal of the rebrand would bring no affect on the support.

Surely you don't really think that! If that is the case, why were all the most vocal chants and songs all linked to the rebrand on Saturday?

You are speaking on behalf of a lot of City supporters there, but the blue songs that are sung the loudest and by the majority of the crowd suggest otherwise.

Some bizarre logic here. Are you talking about the atmosphere or the players performances? You seem to be changing from one to the other with every post.

If you are suggesting that reversing the rebrand wouldn't I prove the atmosphere, then I'm afraid that you are seriously deluded.

The apathy of the fans and the atmosphere is caused by the one massive problem, the rebrand. Undoubtedly, the poor football doesn't help, but to suggest that the fans are only crap because of the poor football is ridiculous.

It's a perfect storm of many different things, one of the big things is the rebrand.

Barry

You have to think before you post as well. You're saying I'm changing my view every post but you've done it in one paragraph there mate. You claim the bad atmosphere is caused by one massive problem, the rebrand, but then you admit that the poor football might also be having an effect as well.

I'm saying that for the vast majority of city fans (most of who never access this board) see the quality of football as the big problem and not the shirt colour.

He hasn't changed his view, he said that the shit football doesn't help in his first post. The point is that although the shit football is a factor, the main problem for the poor atmosphere and negativity is the rebrand. You're lying to yourself if you think that's not true, even a little bit.

Not bothered about the shirt colour. but I am very bothered about the team's performances this season.

Not bothered about the shirt colour. but I am very bothered about the team's performances this season.

With a username like yours?
We're shocked to the core.

Seen much worse football than this over the years, but never known such a downbeat atmosphere like we have at the moment. I think it's probably a combination of blue supporters sick of seeing their club being dismantled by Tan, and a large percentage of those who favour red not used to seeing their club playing so poorly. Whatever the reason, definitely the worse I've known in 46 years.