' Vince Alm & Ken Choo(CEO) This Evening '

' Vince Alm '

I had a meeting with the chief executive Ken Choo this evening after I sent a personal email outlining my disappointments regards the decision to wear a white kit, and the continued issues that is splitting the supporter’s with the rebrand.

There were ugly scenes amongst our own supporters on Saturday at Bournemouth, with supporters exchanging abuse, violent threats, and bullying many of whom were drunk and emotional. It was sad, and disappointing to see young kids cowering and crying as their fathers were physically attacked, threatened with violence, and bullied by drunken Cardiff supporters for a variety of reasons; falling into them because they were to drunk to stand, asking them to support the team, or asking them to sit down.

I received several unsavoury comments and abuse in front of my 8 year old grandson from drunken emotional supporters, and it was the lowest I have ever felt supporting the club in all the my years since 1968.

Mr Choo has assured me the white kit will not be worn again this season unless there is a colour clash with a team whose home kit is red and Blue like Crystal Palace in the cup. He also assured me that the decision to wear the white kit was not taken by the owner Vincent Tan and there was nothing political in the choice to wear the kit.

We discussed in detail the rebrand and other topics which I believe are causing this divide among fans, loss of interest from the supporter base, and the divide that is growing between the club and its fan base, which in itself is making it difficult for supporters groups to promote the club in a positive light, and ask fans to support the team.

Ken Choo listened to everything I had to say and gave his promise to continue to work with us going forward to improve things on a more regular basis.

My opinion of Ken Choo is he is a good man who wants to make a difference and is keen to learn and listen to the fans whether he can remains to be seen but at least he is the first one in a while who is making the effort.

Great that he's listened, but I really don't think he has any input on the outcome of the next few months...

That's good at least has he said anything that's on the pitch matters?

Great that he's listened, but I really don't think he has any input on the outcome of the next few months...

Your right no input at all and if he spoke up for us,he will end up being the 6 ex CEO in the last 4yrs.

well that is the best bit of positive news I've heard in a long while and I will wait in anticipation to see if Ken Choo keeps his word on the white kit as I don't think we will be playing any team with red and blue colours like Palace so we should of course play the remaining away games in BLUE unless the home team are of course in Blue themselves.
Thank you Vince for the info

Great that he's listened, but I really don't think he has any input on the outcome of the next few months...

Your right no input at all and if he spoke up for us,he will end up being the 6 ex CEO in the last 4yrs.

Totally agree.

Unfortunately Ken Choo is the monkey, not the organ grinder. No one dare tell tan how things really are for fear of getting the spanish archer, or worse.

Got a lot of respect for Vince over the years he's done loads of cardiff city and I trust him ,hopefully the club will start to have more dialog with fans

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Lee Harris Vince honest question do you think the white kit was that much of an issue? We had at least 2 previous kits in My time that been white
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Vince Alm Lee it was a tipping point
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Peter Walker So who was responsible for the white kit Vince, and should someone so out of touch be able to make these decisions and cause such dismay? I know we have had white kits before but the situation is different than before and it was like pouring oil onto the fire..
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Tony Edwards Wasting your time Vince the only thing these people understand or care about is £££££CASH££ . & until we stop providing it they won't change tack.. Sorry but that's fact
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Vince Alm I am leaving the club to announce that one Peter
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Paul Heginbothom Not sure how the white kit is a tipping point, surely that should have been the red monstrosity and the dragon badge, but respect to all opinions.
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Peter Walker Won't hold my breadth then mate
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Chris Harris Ken Choo came and spoke to the fans before the game with Dalman. Got a lot of respect for the two of them. Taking a lot of tans stick from the fans but are still willing to chat freely to us
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Mark Goodman lets see how many people renew there season tickets next year!
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Hywel Tan Out Gronow You are right lee we have, however blue was our home colour. There was no reason at all for us to wear white mate.

Vince Alm - did he say anything with regards to the rebrand being reversed and whos choice was it to make a third kit and make us play in it when we could and should have wore blue.
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Vince Alm Tony do you think £4 million pound of season ticket money will make that much of a difference to him?
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Matthew Williams It's the fact we didn't need the kit in the first place, seemed it was done clearly out of spite! If they're not going to make money from kit why bother making it
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Vince Alm I will be renewing mine
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Kyle Burston Great.......our own supporters fighting EACHOTHER! Hope Mr tan one day realises what he's done to such a wonderful club, well say wonderful we are a bad laughing stock! How bad can it get?
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Hywel Tan Out Gronow What action can we take then Vince to show we want our colours and club back
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Rob Collins The previous white kits all had the true badge and were used rarely as I recall, ultimately when our first choice was blue.
Vince I deal with South East Asians daily (China and Malaysia) and visit frequently - 4 times this year. Not blowing my own trumpet here but unfortunately the business culture of them is they simply will not say anything to your face to offend or antagonise you. Whatever your opinion of Kevin Choo I think the simple fact is at present we don't trust the regime with so many other rumours surrounding the club at present.
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Tony Edwards Tony do you think £4 million pound of season ticket money will make that much of a difference to him?

We'll actually i do. It's not just the season tickets Vince. Don't forget all that goes with it. Burgers & beer merchandise etc etc that will quadruple if his pockets are that deep then que sera sera.
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Kyle Burston Tony Edwards I see where your going with this, the more people who don't go the loss of sales
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Vince Alm Hywel everyone has an opinion of what action will work as far as i am concerned none of them have to date, if you think hitting a billionaire in the pocket will go ahead! Media have tried shaming him through documentaries, marches, petitions etc everything is being tried; I have always believed in dialogue but that hasn't worked to date either
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Tony Gait To little to late
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Hywel Tan Out Gronow So do we both agree mate that nothing will work because he is a stubborn man
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Tony Edwards Vince you do a fantastic job on behalf of the city fans mate and I appreciate how difficult it is for you being our spokesperson i for one take a bow to you Sir. Difficult times
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Vince Alm I will never give up Hywel
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Ashley Holland ッ Ken and dalman came to the away end on Saturday. Both seem very nice men, and I don't think Dalman gets enough credit. But any question Ken was asked, he answered. So we can't really fault him for that
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David Keith Evans Thanks for the update, Vince. These are difficult times, but yourself, and the supporters' club as a whole, are doing great work. Raising the major issues with the people who run the club, and supporting the team on the pitch. Keep up the good work. This era will pass, as have all the others. Keep the faith!
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Hywel Tan Out Gronow Nice to hear Vince
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Tony Gait Not one supporters group disagreed with tan at time all bowed to is demands we all guilty each an everyone
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Lee Winters A shame that someone whom I respect such as Vince won't get behind the #NOBLUENORENEW campaign but not surprising. I understand you're in a difficult situation Vince but the club is quite simply not listening. Perhaps with going back to paltry crowds is the only way but to do that we need the fan base to unite.
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Vince Alm No problem Tony. there is nothing coming in this season anyway. all the season tickets were bought last season, nobody buying merchandise, compass have all the profit from the catering, there is no walk up crowd so only income is from the away supporters who visit
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Got a lot of respect for Vince over the years he's done loads of cardiff city and I trust him ,hopefully the club will start to have more dialog with fans

Personally the one who has the say doesn't give a toss about the fans.

I hate drunken fans who bring a spirit of fear into the grounds. I believe a number were arrested Saturday. If they are STs I hope they get banned.

I believe the re-brand is responsible for most of the disenchantment and it is triggering most off now when things go wrong. Really sad.

I hate drunken fans who bring a spirit of fear into the grounds. I believe a number were arrested Saturday. If they are STs I hope they get banned.

I believe the re-brand is responsible for most of the disenchantment and it is triggering most off now when things go wrong. Really sad.

Agree the re- branding has a lot to answer for. As i said many moons ago we could have played in pink or green and white under MM that championship season and gone up with the squad and performance that season.

All means nothing until one man changes his mind which is never going to happen.

Presumably dalaman and choo have questioned the ongoing viability of the rebrand with tan in person ?

Nope thought not.

I hate drunken fans who bring a spirit of fear into the grounds. I believe a number were arrested Saturday. If they are STs I hope they get banned.

I believe the re-brand is responsible for most of the disenchantment and it is triggering most off now when things go wrong. Really sad.

Well what can you say.. Negativity breeds negativity and with all this current discontentment plastered across the forums and social media it will only get worse. I'm finding it difficult to find a positive thread on this forum at current.

This Tan guy has loads of money, saying he is looking to buy into other sports, including football. Basically we are just his LITTLE TOY, he will play with us, mess us around and WHEN he brakes us, we will be pushed aside, so then he find another Toy to play with !!!!.
It looks that we are nearly BROKEN, I sad to say

' Vince Alm '

I had a meeting with the chief executive Ken Choo this evening after I sent a personal email outlining my disappointments regards the decision to wear a white kit, and the continued issues that is splitting the supporter’s with the rebrand.

There were ugly scenes amongst our own supporters on Saturday at Bournemouth, with supporters exchanging abuse, violent threats, and bullying many of whom were drunk and emotional. It was sad, and disappointing to see young kids cowering and crying as their fathers were physically attacked, threatened with violence, and bullied by drunken Cardiff supporters for a variety of reasons; falling into them because they were to drunk to stand, asking them to support the team, or asking them to sit down.

I received several unsavoury comments and abuse in front of my 8 year old grandson from drunken emotional supporters, and it was the lowest I have ever felt supporting the club in all the my years since 1968.

Mr Choo has assured me the white kit will not be worn again this season unless there is a colour clash with a team whose home kit is red and Blue like Crystal Palace in the cup. He also assured me that the decision to wear the white kit was not taken by the owner Vincent Tan and there was nothing political in the choice to wear the kit.

We discussed in detail the rebrand and other topics which I believe are causing this divide among fans, loss of interest from the supporter base, and the divide that is growing between the club and its fan base, which in itself is making it difficult for supporters groups to promote the club in a positive light, and ask fans to support the team.

Ken Choo listened to everything I had to say and gave his promise to continue to work with us going forward to improve things on a more regular basis.

My opinion of Ken Choo is he is a good man who wants to make a difference and is keen to learn and listen to the fans whether he can remains to be seen but at least he is the first one in a while who is making the effort.

Haaa if only vince had that chat at the start instead of promoting the rebrand at the start like he did.
Way to little to late from a man I used to respect but not anymore.

waste of breath vinny

I hate drunken fans who bring a spirit of fear into the grounds. I believe a number were arrested Saturday. If they are STs I hope they get banned.

I believe the re-brand is responsible for most of the disenchantment and it is triggering most off now when things go wrong. Really sad.

Well what can you say.. Negativity breeds negativity and with all this current discontentment plastered across the forums and social media it will only get worse. I'm finding it difficult to find a positive thread on this forum at current.

There's quite a few actually including the NoBlueNoRenew threads.

Great that he's listened, but I really don't think he has any input on the outcome of the next few months...

Come on mate, that was just a political type answer - 'his promise to continue to work with us to go forward'
You hear this type of shite from MP's all the time.

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Great that he's listened, but I really don't think he has any input on the outcome of the next few months...

Come on mate, that was just a political type answer - 'his promise to continue to work with us to go forward'
You hear this type of shite from MP's all the time.[/quote]


They promise doesn't say tan will!

I hate drunken fans who bring a spirit of fear into the grounds. I believe a number were arrested Saturday. If they are STs I hope they get banned.

I believe the re-brand is responsible for most of the disenchantment and it is triggering most off now when things go wrong. Really sad.

Well what can you say.. Negativity breeds negativity and with all this current discontentment plastered across the forums and social media it will only get worse. I'm finding it difficult to find a positive thread on this forum at current.

There's quite a few actually including the NoBlueNoRenew threads.

Not something I'm interested in tbh, I will definitely renew regardless.

Last night Everton played QPR. Everton in their traditional blue, QPR red and black stripes. We did not need to play in white.

I hate drunken fans who bring a spirit of fear into the grounds. I believe a number were arrested Saturday. If they are STs I hope they get banned.

I believe the re-brand is responsible for most of the disenchantment and it is triggering most off now when things go wrong. Really sad.

I dont think its just drink for most of them.

If it wasnt Tans choice to wear the white kit then whose choice was it? and why? it doesnt answer the question.

Thanks to Vince for posting it up though

I hate drunken fans who bring a spirit of fear into the grounds. I believe a number were arrested Saturday. If they are STs I hope they get banned.

I believe the re-brand is responsible for most of the disenchantment and it is triggering most off now when things go wrong. Really sad.

I dont think its just drink for most of them.

If it wasnt Tans choice to wear the white kit then whose choice was it? and why? it doesnt answer the question.

Thanks to Vince for posting it up though

You can blame Tan as much as you like, however each and everyone of us have a view and regardless of what that is you shouldn't be victimised and bullied into sharing the same opinion.

Credit to Vince though.Our club will be destroyed if Tan doesn't listen to the fans.
Less money through the turnstiles and retail.
Who will then he stupid enough to buy our club when heavily in debt and no money coming in?

When will people realise that talking to these clowns solves nothing. We need direct action and have done for three years but I am not holding my breath that enough people are willing to 1. admit they were wrong, 2. give up the precious premiership dream.

When will people realise that talking to these clowns solves nothing. We need direct action and have done for three years but I am not holding my breath that enough people are willing to 1. admit they were wrong, 2. give up the precious premiership dream.

I don't think people were wrong still attending (me being 1 of them) I've hated the rebrand from day 1 (I just couldn't bring myself to stop going), I just continued wearing my blue kit. I think what we did do wrong was not protesting at the beginning , all these groups and protests now should of been done at the beginning , instead most just turned up and seen what it was like in the red . The worst I felt was scarfgate I felt like an away fan in the stadium and it hurt me alot as to me it seemed like all the fans had ditched the blue and completely accepted the red

£4 million doesn't worry Vinnie at all, but the loss of face will............

I reckon the season tickets in the first phase will be very cheap....................

He will let the non believers leave.........


I believe it will be a tense stand off.

Playing in the white kit hoping for some commercial success shows they still care about the coin though....

Everyone hold the line

I hate drunken fans who bring a spirit of fear into the grounds. I believe a number were arrested Saturday. If they are STs I hope they get banned.

I believe the re-brand is responsible for most of the disenchantment and it is triggering most off now when things go wrong. Really sad.

I dont think its just drink for most of them.

If it wasnt Tans choice to wear the white kit then whose choice was it? and why? it doesnt answer the question.

Thanks to Vince for posting it up though

You can blame Tan as much as you like, however each and everyone of us have a view and regardless of what that is you shouldn't be victimised and bullied into sharing the same opinion.

I'm not sure what your getting at as I haven't said anything along those lines it blamed tan.

I hate drunken fans who bring a spirit of fear into the grounds. I believe a number were arrested Saturday. If they are STs I hope they get banned.

I believe the re-brand is responsible for most of the disenchantment and it is triggering most off now when things go wrong. Really sad.

I dont think its just drink for most of them.

If it wasnt Tans choice to wear the white kit then whose choice was it? and why? it doesnt answer the question.

Thanks to Vince for posting it up though

It was the clubs choice Luke and the reason was to promote the shirt. Lets be honest here but if you were alienated to the culture of Cardiff City it would make logical sense to promote something new before Christmas.

As most have been saying but our club management is totally alienated to the society called Cardiff City FC.