I don't want this to be controversial but ...

Let's spare a thought for Hereford United.

A side with their own history. A history in the FA Cup. Games against us in the league and the Welsh Cup and a big part of their local community were suspended from playing all football yesterday

Now I'm a proud BLUEbird and have been since 1973 but the reality is we worry about what colour shirts we wear. For some they are not even allowed to wear any shirt or have a club to support. Whilst identity is important at least we still have one. It might not be the identity we want but it's the one we have - and I personally would rather have that than no club to support at all

Well said , totally agree .

Let's spare a thought for Hereford United.

A side with their own history. A history in the FA Cup. Games against us in the league and the Welsh Cup and a big part of their local community were suspended from playing all football yesterday

Now I'm a proud BLUEbird and have been since 1973 but the reality is we worry about what colour shirts we wear. For some they are not even allowed to wear any shirt or have a club to support. Whilst identity is important at least we still have one. It might not be the identity we want but it's the one we have - and I personally would rather have that than no club to support at all

Personally I think the "we might not have a club to support" theory is scaremongering tactics applied by those with something to lose.

We have been down the route Hereford have just gone down and we survived. I believe we survived because of our potential and if managed right it could be quite substantial. Hereford have done well but being direct here they are simple not big enough. Same can goes for other clubs that got closed like Chester. Hereford will be back in one form or another like Chester came back. Same can be said for Merthyr.

Let's spare a thought for Hereford United.

A side with their own history. A history in the FA Cup. Games against us in the league and the Welsh Cup and a big part of their local community were suspended from playing all football yesterday

Now I'm a proud BLUEbird and have been since 1973 but the reality is we worry about what colour shirts we wear. For some they are not even allowed to wear any shirt or have a club to support. Whilst identity is important at least we still have one. It might not be the identity we want but it's the one we have - and I personally would rather have that than no club to support at all

Well for many, Cardiff have ceased to be their club already, they cannot relate to what the club has become and what it stands for, so theoreticaly it's already dead. Increasingly for many of us, this is becoming the case, it's pointless having any old identity, if it's not one you believe in or follow

Let's spare a thought for Hereford United.

A side with their own history. A history in the FA Cup. Games against us in the league and the Welsh Cup and a big part of their local community were suspended from playing all football yesterday

Now I'm a proud BLUEbird and have been since 1973 but the reality is we worry about what colour shirts we wear. For some they are not even allowed to wear any shirt or have a club to support. Whilst identity is important at least we still have one. It might not be the identity we want but it's the one we have - and I personally would rather have that than no club to support at all

Personally I think the "we might not have a club to support" theory is scaremongering tactics applied by those with something to lose.

We have been down the route Hereford have just gone down and we survived. I believe we survived because of our potential and if managed right it could be quite substantial. Hereford have done well but being direct here they are simple not big enough. Same can goes for other clubs that got closed like Chester. Hereford will be back in one form or another like Chester came back. Same can be said for Merthyr.

Who's going to pay the 100+ million Bill if tan is forced out ? We would be a another Hereford if he decided that he's had enough he's rich enough to walk away and f**k us right up

Let's spare a thought for Hereford United.

A side with their own history. A history in the FA Cup. Games against us in the league and the Welsh Cup and a big part of their local community were suspended from playing all football yesterday

Now I'm a proud BLUEbird and have been since 1973 but the reality is we worry about what colour shirts we wear. For some they are not even allowed to wear any shirt or have a club to support. Whilst identity is important at least we still have one. It might not be the identity we want but it's the one we have - and I personally would rather have that than no club to support at all

Personally I think the "we might not have a club to support" theory is scaremongering tactics applied by those with something to lose.

We have been down the route Hereford have just gone down and we survived. I believe we survived because of our potential and if managed right it could be quite substantial. Hereford have done well but being direct here they are simple not big enough. Same can goes for other clubs that got closed like Chester. Hereford will be back in one form or another like Chester came back. Same can be said for Merthyr.

Who's going to pay the 100+ million Bill if tan is forced out ? We would be a another Hereford if he decided that he's had enough he's rich enough to walk away and f**k us right up

I believe we survived because of our potential...

Don't forget the money...

LOTS of f**king money

Time as changed since tan as taken over , don't think we will be seen as good investment compared to say derby forest leeds, so not sure if we will get this opportunity again once its gone! Tan leaving will see us back to blue no doubt but in what state??
My view as always been the name it is my link to club others its badge colour, everyone is different. lk

We are not too big a club to follow Hereford. Shame about them though.

The reason people accepted/tolerated the rebrand was down to people being scared that they would not have a club to support because of the financial state we were in. We are now in a lot worse financial position with a club most do not relate to anymore!!

So for most they have already lost the club they fell in love with and have nothing to lose by protesting etc...

Let's spare a thought for Hereford United.

A side with their own history. A history in the FA Cup. Games against us in the league and the Welsh Cup and a big part of their local community were suspended from playing all football yesterday

Now I'm a proud BLUEbird and have been since 1973 but the reality is we worry about what colour shirts we wear. For some they are not even allowed to wear any shirt or have a club to support. Whilst identity is important at least we still have one. It might not be the identity we want but it's the one we have - and I personally would rather have that than no club to support at all

Personally I think the "we might not have a club to support" theory is scaremongering tactics applied by those with something to lose.

We have been down the route Hereford have just gone down and we survived. I believe we survived because of our potential and if managed right it could be quite substantial. Hereford have done well but being direct here they are simple not big enough. Same can goes for other clubs that got closed like Chester. Hereford will be back in one form or another like Chester came back. Same can be said for Merthyr.

Who's going to pay the 100+ million Bill if tan is forced out ? We would be a another Hereford if he decided that he's had enough he's rich enough to walk away and f**k us right up

There is no £100m bill Wez. Tan might have put that in and more the fool him but he is never going to get that back. Ever thought why he was brought a cheap manager in and wants all the expensive players off the wage bill. He is preparing to sell up and is trying to make the club an attraction to buy. Even if he got it down to a reasonable operating cost he will never get his £100 back.

Tan could walk out as you say. Ever thought why he has not?

Let's spare a thought for Hereford United.

A side with their own history. A history in the FA Cup. Games against us in the league and the Welsh Cup and a big part of their local community were suspended from playing all football yesterday

Now I'm a proud BLUEbird and have been since 1973 but the reality is we worry about what colour shirts we wear. For some they are not even allowed to wear any shirt or have a club to support. Whilst identity is important at least we still have one. It might not be the identity we want but it's the one we have - and I personally would rather have that than no club to support at all

Personally I think the "we might not have a club to support" theory is scaremongering tactics applied by those with something to lose.

We have been down the route Hereford have just gone down and we survived. I believe we survived because of our potential and if managed right it could be quite substantial. Hereford have done well but being direct here they are simple not big enough. Same can goes for other clubs that got closed like Chester. Hereford will be back in one form or another like Chester came back. Same can be said for Merthyr.

Shall we put that to the test, then??

Personally, I'd rather not take chance with the future of the club I love and particularly because I know 100% how close we were to going to the wall a few seasons ago!

People may choose to say "it was never going to happen" but I can assure members that it most certainly was, whether they choose to refute that or not!

To plenty of us the club effectively died in its long established form in May 2012. I say "died," it is, of course, waiting to be resurrected.

As for the op's admittedly well intentioned comments about worrying about the shirt colour. There is nothing more frustrating as far as I'm concerned than hearing comments like, "it's just a shirt" or "it's just a colour." It spectacularly misses the point. Opposing the rebrand has always been about standing up to a rich bully who thinks money allows him Carte Blanche to do as he pleases. It's about standing up for a slice of century old Cardiff social history and tradition and in the context of football - colours, emblems etc really are untouchable.

I'm also interested to read that there is still caution regarding pushing Tan too far. As far as I can see, Slade is already the first major indicator that the 'downsizing' of the franchise project has begun. There are £60m of parachute payments going straight into Tan's pocket over the next three seasons but only if he keeps the club out of administration...You really can all do your worst towards the Malaysian megalomaniac. I have no doubt whatsoever that a Pompey like situation (or worse) will eventually play out in Cardiff longer term, regardless of whether you give Tan the bird or not. He's going to fcuk the club over. The supporters may as well go down fighting.

To plenty of us the club effectively died in its long established form in May 2012. I say "died," it is, of course, waiting to be resurrected.

As for the op's admittedly well intentioned comments about worrying about the shirt colour. There is nothing more frustrating as far as I'm concerned than hearing comments like, "it's just a shirt" or "it's just a colour." It spectacularly misses the point. Opposing the rebrand has always been about standing up to a rich bully who thinks money allows him Carte Blanche to do as he pleases. It's about standing up for a slice of century old Cardiff social history and tradition and in the context of football - colours, emblems etc really are untouchable.

I'm also interested to read that there is still caution regarding pushing Tan too far. As far as I can see, Slade is already the first major indicator that the 'downsizing' of the franchise project has begun. There are £60m of parachute payments going straight into Tan's pocket over the next three seasons but only if he keeps the club out of administration...You really can all do your worst towards the Malaysian megalomaniac. I have no doubt whatsoever that a Pompey like situation (or worse) will eventually play out in Cardiff longer term, regardless of whether you give Tan the bird or not. He's going to fcuk the club over. The supporters may as well go down fighting.

Unfortunately Alfie most cannot work it out.

If Slade does the miracle and gets us back in the premier it will be interesting to see what Tan allows in regarding the playing staff. I cannot see him going big style like last time. In Fact he will go with what we have that got us up. Then hopefully everyone will see what his game is.

To plenty of us the club effectively died in its long established form in May 2012. I say "died," it is, of course, waiting to be resurrected.

As for the op's admittedly well intentioned comments about worrying about the shirt colour. There is nothing more frustrating as far as I'm concerned than hearing comments like, "it's just a shirt" or "it's just a colour." It spectacularly misses the point. Opposing the rebrand has always been about standing up to a rich bully who thinks money allows him Carte Blanche to do as he pleases. It's about standing up for a slice of century old Cardiff social history and tradition and in the context of football - colours, emblems etc really are untouchable.

I'm also interested to read that there is still caution regarding pushing Tan too far. As far as I can see, Slade is already the first major indicator that the 'downsizing' of the franchise project has begun. There are £60m of parachute payments going straight into Tan's pocket over the next three seasons but only if he keeps the club out of administration...You really can all do your worst towards the Malaysian megalomaniac. I have no doubt whatsoever that a Pompey like situation (or worse) will eventually play out in Cardiff longer term, regardless of whether you give Tan the bird or not. He's going to fcuk the club over. The supporters may as well go down fighting.

Unfortunately Alfie most cannot work it out.

If Slade does the miracle and gets us back in the premier it will be interesting to see what Tan allows in regarding the playing staff. I cannot see him going big style like last time. In Fact he will go with what we have that got us up. Then hopefully everyone will see what his game is.

I think promotion will be a disaster for those wanting to see the end of the red/red dragon franchise tbh mate. It would certainly make the club more of a saleable asset but Tan also knows there are many thousands of casual sports fans in S Wales, untroubled by the clubs traditional identity who'll fill the stadium week in, week out. I think he's a bloody minded b*stard who'll stick around even longer if the club are back in the PL, out of determination to make his fake brand successful.

I only get to a handful of City games each yearas I live in the other end of the country. I guess some would say I dont count.
However, I fully understand the desire to be the bluebirds playing in blue again. Also I would much rather the present stadium was called Ninian Park. If u are Cardiff born and bred and u started supporting them over 50 years ago just as your father did before you - Its in the blood. It will never change whether we are premier or Div2 or even League of Wales. But as the openning thread said by all means have your opinion about VT and state it. But in the end the the hatred and abuse towards him achieves nothing - not really.
There are better chairmen and there are worse.
Unfortunately football is ruled by money at ptresent - its not just a CCFC problem. VT is a billionaire and more likely to respond to a well argued case for changing back to blue rather than verbal abuse, turning against other fans, staying away etc etc That just hurts the Club.

To plenty of us the club effectively died in its long established form in May 2012. I say "died," it is, of course, waiting to be resurrected.

As for the op's admittedly well intentioned comments about worrying about the shirt colour. There is nothing more frustrating as far as I'm concerned than hearing comments like, "it's just a shirt" or "it's just a colour." It spectacularly misses the point. Opposing the rebrand has always been about standing up to a rich bully who thinks money allows him Carte Blanche to do as he pleases. It's about standing up for a slice of century old Cardiff social history and tradition and in the context of football - colours, emblems etc really are untouchable.

I'm also interested to read that there is still caution regarding pushing Tan too far. As far as I can see, Slade is already the first major indicator that the 'downsizing' of the franchise project has begun. There are £60m of parachute payments going straight into Tan's pocket over the next three seasons but only if he keeps the club out of administration...You really can all do your worst towards the Malaysian megalomaniac. I have no doubt whatsoever that a Pompey like situation (or worse) will eventually play out in Cardiff longer term, regardless of whether you give Tan the bird or not. He's going to fcuk the club over. The supporters may as well go down fighting.

Pompey situation....no chance
Alfie Sherwood.....no1 scaremonger....how embarrassing you've become

So lets say the backlash that happened on the rebrand when it came about happened, who was going to bank roll us if he decided to just leave completely Bakes?

Let's spare a thought for Hereford United.

A side with their own history. A history in the FA Cup. Games against us in the league and the Welsh Cup and a big part of their local community were suspended from playing all football yesterday

Now I'm a proud BLUEbird and have been since 1973 but the reality is we worry about what colour shirts we wear. For some they are not even allowed to wear any shirt or have a club to support. Whilst identity is important at least we still have one. It might not be the identity we want but it's the one we have - and I personally would rather have that than no club to support at all

A cold potato for christmas dinner does not necessarily turn into a culinary experience just because you know people are dying from starvation.

I only get to a handful of City games each yearas I live in the other end of the country. I guess some would say I dont count.
However, I fully understand the desire to be the bluebirds playing in blue again. Also I would much rather the present stadium was called Ninian Park. If u are Cardiff born and bred and u started supporting them over 50 years ago just as your father did before you - Its in the blood. It will never change whether we are premier or Div2 or even League of Wales. But as the openning thread said by all means have your opinion about VT and state it. But in the end the the hatred and abuse towards him achieves nothing - not really.
There are better chairmen and there are worse.
Unfortunately football is ruled by money at ptresent - its not just a CCFC problem. VT is a billionaire and more likely to respond to a well argued case for changing back to blue rather than verbal abuse, turning against other fans, staying away etc etc That just hurts the Club.

You certainly DO count, fella!

There are some on here that don't/won't support their team at all these days, yet are still amongst the loudest dissenters and 'knockers' of the club!

I only get to a handful of City games each yearas I live in the other end of the country. I guess some would say I dont count.
However, I fully understand the desire to be the bluebirds playing in blue again. Also I would much rather the present stadium was called Ninian Park. If u are Cardiff born and bred and u started supporting them over 50 years ago just as your father did before you - Its in the blood. It will never change whether we are premier or Div2 or even League of Wales. But as the openning thread said by all means have your opinion about VT and state it. But in the end the the hatred and abuse towards him achieves nothing - not really.
There are better chairmen and there are worse.
Unfortunately football is ruled by money at ptresent - its not just a CCFC problem. VT is a billionaire and more likely to respond to a well argued case for changing back to blue rather than verbal abuse, turning against other fans, staying away etc etc That just hurts the Club.

You certainly DO count, fella!

There are some on here that don't/won't support their team at all these days, yet are still amongst the loudest dissenters and 'knockers' of the club!

Still here. Most know that we're skint (isn't everybody) so I save up my Christmas, birthday and father's day presents for my tickets. I STILL think we should be playing in blue (of course I do). When I got my surprise birthday pressie last year the missus made sure she bought the BLUE kit instead of the red.

It doesn't stop me going down to support the lads though. the lads on the pitch are still the same. Whittingham has been here years (and wearing his blue boots) and is the same now as he was when he was playing in blue.

Yes, I want to see the back of Mr Tan. He did save our club from administration and I won't shout and swear at him because that's not in my temperament, but with his attitude and lack of respect it is time for him to go somewhere that already has a red kit

Even if we drop down to the lower leagues once more, I'll still be there (and actually I'm kind of hoping for that as it might force Tan out) and I will NOT stop supporting the club. My mother had a facelift once. Whether I agree with it or not, she's still my mother.

There are a few on these boards who seem to think that because some of us still support and are vocal in our support of the TEAM that we are not true fans or not true bluebirds.

The absolute WORST thing the rebrand and all this mess has done, is drive a rift between fans. We should be all together, laughing and pointing at the Swansea fans (no offence lads, you can laugh and point at us to... in fact, you probably are) not arguing with each other.

I only get to a handful of City games each yearas I live in the other end of the country. I guess some would say I dont count.
However, I fully understand the desire to be the bluebirds playing in blue again. Also I would much rather the present stadium was called Ninian Park. If u are Cardiff born and bred and u started supporting them over 50 years ago just as your father did before you - Its in the blood. It will never change whether we are premier or Div2 or even League of Wales. But as the openning thread said by all means have your opinion about VT and state it. But in the end the the hatred and abuse towards him achieves nothing - not really.
There are better chairmen and there are worse.
Unfortunately football is ruled by money at ptresent - its not just a CCFC problem. VT is a billionaire and more likely to respond to a well argued case for changing back to blue rather than verbal abuse, turning against other fans, staying away etc etc That just hurts the Club.

You certainly DO count, fella!

There are some on here that don't/won't support their team at all these days, yet are still amongst the loudest dissenters and 'knockers' of the club!

Still here. Most know that we're skint (isn't everybody) so I save up my Christmas, birthday and father's day presents for my tickets. I STILL think we should be playing in blue (of course I do). When I got my surprise birthday pressie last year the missus made sure she bought the BLUE kit instead of the red.

It doesn't stop me going down to support the lads though. the lads on the pitch are still the same. Whittingham has been here years (and wearing his blue boots) and is the same now as he was when he was playing in blue.

Yes, I want to see the back of Mr Tan. He did save our club from administration and I won't shout and swear at him because that's not in my temperament, but with his attitude and lack of respect it is time for him to go somewhere that already has a red kit

Even if we drop down to the lower leagues once more, I'll still be there (and actually I'm kind of hoping for that as it might force Tan out) and I will NOT stop supporting the club. My mother had a facelift once. Whether I agree with it or not, she's still my mother.

There are a few on these boards who seem to think that because some of us still support and are vocal in our support of the TEAM that we are not true fans or not true bluebirds.

The absolute WORST thing the rebrand and all this mess has done, is drive a rift between fans. We should be all together, laughing and pointing at the Swansea fans (no offence lads, you can laugh and point at us to... in fact, you probably are) not arguing with each other.

Sums it up, TBH