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The Criticism of Slade

Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:50 pm

It reminds me of west ham fans with Allardyce last season and wanted big sam out but look at them now they are in the top 5 and playing decent football now just give Slade a proper chance he hasn't got his own players in yet and give him time and the good football will come. :ayatollah:

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:58 pm

We have had shit managers, players, teams before, but never off the back of three seasons of a rebrand that's ripped the fans resilience to its core and sent the customers back to their TV's watching sky sports saturday

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:26 pm

llan bluebird wrote:We have had shit managers, players, teams before, but never off the back of three seasons of a rebrand that's ripped the fans resilience to its core and sent the customers back to their TV's watching sky sports saturday


Very true

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:53 pm

Rydogsccfc wrote:It reminds me of west ham fans with Allardyce last season and wanted big sam out but look at them now they are in the top 5 and playing decent football now just give Slade a proper chance he hasn't got his own players in yet and give him time and the good football will come. :ayatollah:


Slade does deserve a chance but based on recent performances do you really expect fans to turn up to watch the rubbish that is being served up. A dreadful performance, no atmosphere and a clueless manager. What are the positives. Yes, he has not had the opportune to to bring in his own players but are you not concerned when the manager decides to isolate all of the quality players in the squad? Based on the last few performances we are certainly going backwards quickly and we weed to re group and I hope that things pick up.

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:59 pm

bridgendbluebird30 wrote:
Rydogsccfc wrote:It reminds me of west ham fans with Allardyce last season and wanted big sam out but look at them now they are in the top 5 and playing decent football now just give Slade a proper chance he hasn't got his own players in yet and give him time and the good football will come. :ayatollah:


Slade does deserve a chance but based on recent performances do you really expect fans to turn up to watch the rubbish that is being served up. A dreadful performance, no atmosphere and a clueless manager. What are the positives. Yes, he has not had the opportune to to bring in his own players but are you not concerned when the manager decides to isolate all of the quality players in the squad? Based on the last few performances we are certainly going backwards quickly and we weed to re group and I hope that things pick up.


We played like we did today under malky and got promoted and no one complained attractive football doesn't get you out of the championship its a grind and results so far under slade are good and he needs a chance to bring in his own players.

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:09 pm

The problem for Slade is that it's becoming very difficult to defend him from the rumours that VT is not picking the team, & also that his back room staff are simply not up to the task. The "yes man" from Division One will stick all the more now!

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:13 pm

RICK+CCFC wrote:The problem for Slade is that it's becoming very difficult to defend him from the rumours that VT is not picking the team, & also that his back room staff are simply not up to the task. The "yes man" from Division One will stick all the more now!


But i don't think he is a yes man though if he was wouldn't velikonja and guerra and ravel morrison starting because they were all Tan signings.

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:25 pm

RICK+CCFC wrote:The problem for Slade is that it's becoming very difficult to defend him from the rumours that VT is not picking the team, & also that his back room staff are simply not up to the task. The "yes man" from Division One will stick all the more now!



tan is no picking team but your'e right about back room staff! :thumbup:

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:31 pm

Rydogsccfc wrote:It reminds me of west ham fans with Allardyce last season and wanted big sam out but look at them now they are in the top 5 and playing decent football now just give Slade a proper chance he hasn't got his own players in yet and give him time and the good football will come. :ayatollah:


Could say that about a lot of managers. Big Sam has proved himself at premiership level for a number of years.

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:09 am

2blue2handle wrote:
Rydogsccfc wrote:It reminds me of west ham fans with Allardyce last season and wanted big sam out but look at them now they are in the top 5 and playing decent football now just give Slade a proper chance he hasn't got his own players in yet and give him time and the good football will come. :ayatollah:


Could say that about a lot of managers. Big Sam has proved himself at premiership level for a number of years.


What i mean is that Slade hasn't got his own players yet like Big same he has signed some good players and it has improved their style of play and when slade brings in his own players we should see the style of play that he made at orient.

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:29 am

Maybe but looking at the type of players he is using and others who he refuses to use I think we can all see where we are going.

The rigid 4-4-2 was successful in the late 90's early 2000's, who plays that not? Even Tosh with his back 5 is more relevant. In my opinion we needed someone progressive.
We needed a manager to make the most of what we had and for me he hasn't.

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:06 am

Rydogsccfc wrote:It reminds me of west ham fans with Allardyce last season and wanted big sam out but look at them now they are in the top 5 and playing decent football now just give Slade a proper chance he hasn't got his own players in yet and give him time and the good football will come. :ayatollah:


Cobblers. :oops:

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:00 am

Rydogsccfc wrote:
bridgendbluebird30 wrote:
Rydogsccfc wrote:It reminds me of west ham fans with Allardyce last season and wanted big sam out but look at them now they are in the top 5 and playing decent football now just give Slade a proper chance he hasn't got his own players in yet and give him time and the good football will come. :ayatollah:


Slade does deserve a chance but based on recent performances do you really expect fans to turn up to watch the rubbish that is being served up. A dreadful performance, no atmosphere and a clueless manager. What are the positives. Yes, he has not had the opportune to to bring in his own players but are you not concerned when the manager decides to isolate all of the quality players in the squad? Based on the last few performances we are certainly going backwards quickly and we weed to re group and I hope that things pick up.


We played like we did today under malky and got promoted and no one complained attractive football doesn't get you out of the championship its a grind and results so far under slade are good and he needs a chance to bring in his own players.


No we didn't play like that under Malky.
Under Malky the defence was excellent most of the time whilst today Rotherham cut through us time after time & only their finishing prevented us from conceding 3 or 4 goals.
Malkys team played with a fight & desire unlike this team under Slade.
Yes, It wasn't the best to watch a lot of the time but is incomparable to the dross I'm witnessing every home game under Slade.

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:13 am

Rydogsccfc wrote:
bridgendbluebird30 wrote:
Rydogsccfc wrote:It reminds me of west ham fans with Allardyce last season and wanted big sam out but look at them now they are in the top 5 and playing decent football now just give Slade a proper chance he hasn't got his own players in yet and give him time and the good football will come. :ayatollah:


Slade does deserve a chance but based on recent performances do you really expect fans to turn up to watch the rubbish that is being served up. A dreadful performance, no atmosphere and a clueless manager. What are the positives. Yes, he has not had the opportune to to bring in his own players but are you not concerned when the manager decides to isolate all of the quality players in the squad? Based on the last few performances we are certainly going backwards quickly and we weed to re group and I hope that things pick up.


We played like we did today under malky and got promoted and no one complained attractive football doesn't get you out of the championship its a grind and results so far under slade are good and he needs a chance to bring in his own players.




We scored 72 goals in our promotion season. We are no where near creating chances like that. In 9 games we scored 3 or more goals... Beating Blackburn 4-1 away and 3-0 at home, 4-0 v burnley, 3-0 v forest. 3-0 v Blackpool.. We played outstanding football in these games... With Heider helgueson up top, cowrie and Conway in midfield. Turner Hudson ... So y can't we Crete and play football like this with the individuals we have now, who o. Paper have far more quality than the players that season...

Because we don't know how to coach quality and our management team have never worked with quality individuals and only know how to play one way.

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:46 am

Blackwood_Bluebird wrote:
Rydogsccfc wrote:
bridgendbluebird30 wrote:
Rydogsccfc wrote:It reminds me of west ham fans with Allardyce last season and wanted big sam out but look at them now they are in the top 5 and playing decent football now just give Slade a proper chance he hasn't got his own players in yet and give him time and the good football will come. :ayatollah:


Slade does deserve a chance but based on recent performances do you really expect fans to turn up to watch the rubbish that is being served up. A dreadful performance, no atmosphere and a clueless manager. What are the positives. Yes, he has not had the opportune to to bring in his own players but are you not concerned when the manager decides to isolate all of the quality players in the squad? Based on the last few performances we are certainly going backwards quickly and we weed to re group and I hope that things pick up.


We played like we did today under malky and got promoted and no one complained attractive football doesn't get you out of the championship its a grind and results so far under slade are good and he needs a chance to bring in his own players.




We scored 72 goals in our promotion season. We are no where near creating chances like that. In 9 games we scored 3 or more goals... Beating Blackburn 4-1 away and 3-0 at home, 4-0 v burnley, 3-0 v forest. 3-0 v Blackpool.. We played outstanding football in these games... With Heider helgueson up top, cowrie and Conway in midfield. Turner Hudson ... So y can't we Crete and play football like this with the individuals we have now, who o. Paper have far more quality than the players that season...

Because we don't know how to coach quality and our management team have never worked with quality individuals and only know how to play one way.


Couldn't have put it better myself mate.

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:18 am

OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
Blackwood_Bluebird wrote:
Rydogsccfc wrote:
bridgendbluebird30 wrote:
Rydogsccfc wrote:It reminds me of west ham fans with Allardyce last season and wanted big sam out but look at them now they are in the top 5 and playing decent football now just give Slade a proper chance he hasn't got his own players in yet and give him time and the good football will come. :ayatollah:


Slade does deserve a chance but based on recent performances do you really expect fans to turn up to watch the rubbish that is being served up. A dreadful performance, no atmosphere and a clueless manager. What are the positives. Yes, he has not had the opportune to to bring in his own players but are you not concerned when the manager decides to isolate all of the quality players in the squad? Based on the last few performances we are certainly going backwards quickly and we weed to re group and I hope that things pick up.


We played like we did today under malky and got promoted and no one complained attractive football doesn't get you out of the championship its a grind and results so far under slade are good and he needs a chance to bring in his own players.




We scored 72 goals in our promotion season. We are no where near creating chances like that. In 9 games we scored 3 or more goals... Beating Blackburn 4-1 away and 3-0 at home, 4-0 v burnley, 3-0 v forest. 3-0 v Blackpool.. We played outstanding football in these games... With Heider helgueson up top, cowrie and Conway in midfield. Turner Hudson ... So y can't we Crete and play football like this with the individuals we have now, who o. Paper have far more quality than the players that season...

Because we don't know how to coach quality and our management team have never worked with quality individuals and only know how to play one way.


Couldn't have put it better myself mate.



How many games as he had? It takes most managers a lot longer to get it right and even big names like Moyes failed and he had a season to get it right! Also other managers get own players in as every manager as own style of player they like, (malky was known for that) so Slade needs a chance like others have to tweak it in jan, then see what happens, I also don't think young/gabs should be his assistant's. :thumbup:

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:22 pm

The assumption seems to be that given time slade & co will turn us into a great side. Nothing in his history or current situation suggests that this is going to happen. Therefore you can either recognise it now or keep clinging on to tomorrow and ultimate disappointment. You can give a dog all the necessary ingredients but you'll be waiting forever for it to bake a cake fit for a wedding.

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:11 pm

Carpe Diem wrote:The assumption seems to be that given time slade & co will turn us into a great side. Nothing in his history or current situation suggests that this is going to happen. Therefore you can either recognise it now or keep clinging on to tomorrow and ultimate disappointment. You can give a dog all the necessary ingredients but you'll be waiting forever for it to bake a cake fit for a wedding.


Good analogy, & you are dead right about Slade. Given all the time he has spent in football management, if he was made of the "right stuff" he would have been a Championship/Premiership manager, in his own right, by now.

I wouldn't worry to much about the situation though,,,after all, Slade was VT's personal appointment, & we all know that VT is now an expert on the running of a football club, & all that goes with that status!

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:49 pm

Some of the shit spouted in this thread is laughable why don't you all f**k off and watch Swansea then

Didn't mind watching this football under malky Mackay did you?? But because old Russell slade doesn't give you a fist pump to make your bellend stand up he's not really the manager Vincent tan picks the team and slade is a yes man

Utter bollocks if tan was picking the team then he'd be playing a lot of the players that slade has frozen out

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:06 pm

smakerzthebluebird wrote:Some of the shit spouted in this thread is laughable why don't you all f**k off and watch Swansea then

Didn't mind watching this football under malky Mackay did you?? But because old Russell slade doesn't give you a fist pump to make your bellend stand up he's not really the manager Vincent tan picks the team and slade is a yes man

Utter bollocks if tan was picking the team then he'd be playing a lot of the players that slade has frozen out


It's fair to say that you can only make a true comparison with the previous person in charge, in that case we should acknowledge the fact that RS has got a whole lot of demolition/ reassemble work to do with the squad that he inherited.
In MM's case, the demolition work was already done for him before he arrived, & he virtually built from scratch from day one. It then took him two seasons,,, & a lot of investment ( courtesy of the rebrand ) to get us promoted to the Premiership.

I don't think RS is going to get anything near to that type of investment, he is & was in an impossible position right from the start.

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:05 pm

RICK+CCFC wrote:
smakerzthebluebird wrote:Some of the shit spouted in this thread is laughable why don't you all f**k off and watch Swansea then

Didn't mind watching this football under malky Mackay did you?? But because old Russell slade doesn't give you a fist pump to make your bellend stand up he's not really the manager Vincent tan picks the team and slade is a yes man

Utter bollocks if tan was picking the team then he'd be playing a lot of the players that slade has frozen out


It's fair to say that you can only make a true comparison with the previous person in charge, in that case we should acknowledge the fact that RS has got a whole lot of demolition/ reassemble work to do with the squad that he inherited.
In MM's case, the demolition work was already done for him before he arrived, & he virtually built from scratch from day one. It then took him two seasons,,, & a lot of investment ( courtesy of the rebrand ) to get us promoted to the Premiership.

I don't think RS is going to get anything near to that type of investment, he is & was in an impossible position right from the start.


Don't talk sense mate for gods sake lol

It's ok if RS gives us a fist pump all will be forgotten and we can walk away with rock ons in our pants

Re: The Criticism of Slade

Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:56 pm

smakerzthebluebird wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
smakerzthebluebird wrote:Some of the shit spouted in this thread is laughable why don't you all f**k off and watch Swansea then

Didn't mind watching this football under malky Mackay did you?? But because old Russell slade doesn't give you a fist pump to make your bellend stand up he's not really the manager Vincent tan picks the team and slade is a yes man

Utter bollocks if tan was picking the team then he'd be playing a lot of the players that slade has frozen out


It's fair to say that you can only make a true comparison with the previous person in charge, in that case we should acknowledge the fact that RS has got a whole lot of demolition/ reassemble work to do with the squad that he inherited.
In MM's case, the demolition work was already done for him before he arrived, & he virtually built from scratch from day one. It then took him two seasons,,, & a lot of investment ( courtesy of the rebrand ) to get us promoted to the Premiership.

I don't think RS is going to get anything near to that type of investment, he is & was in an impossible position right from the start.


Don't talk sense mate for gods sake lol

It's ok if RS gives us a fist pump all will be forgotten and we can walk away with rock ons in our pants


He did against Watford!
Keep up at the back!